Why are we not exploring plasma treatment with the same gusto? E.g.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/pakistan-awaits-clinical-trials-for-covid-19-treatment/1802977
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https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/pakistan-awaits-clinical-trials-for-covid-19-treatment/1802977
Thanks. I may rewatch the highlights then.
Yeah I was pleasantly surprised by the questions, if not the answers. Was half-expecting shite ones about Boris's recovery etc...
Yep. Two "once in a generation" economic crises in the space of twelve years. Lucky us.
You were lied to. These things happen every decade or so.
Actually meant once in a generation rather than a lifetime.
Though when was the last time two entirely separate global economic crises of this sort of scale occured within a 10-15 year period of each other?
Oh dear.
Black Monday (1987) and the Dot Com Bubble Burst (1999) were 12 years apart.
You just have to laugh.
Oh dear.
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Is this a new story about the PPE? Could've sworn we already knew that earlier in the week.
Video called my dad and his wife in Australia and had to politely end the call quickly before I exploded. They're apparently going to pop down to the beach even though it's closed because she "can't walk near our house as the hills are too steep" and they've had family over for coffee but it's ok because they were six feet apart on the veranda, none of them have colds, all the usual bullshit. I told them that just because the curve is going down doesn't mean it can't come back to hit them in the arse so stay indoors and stop having people over, but it fell on deaf ears because apparently their health service is a million times better than ours.
My dad has fecking Parkinson's and he's in his seventies ffs. Told them "don't have anyone over, make the smart choices and stay safe" and ended the call.
My dad has fecking Parkinson's and he's in his seventies ffs. Told them "don't have anyone over, make the smart choices and stay safe" and ended the call.
Well there you are, shows what I know.
They are but the problem with it is the numbers. With what is going on in Korea( it could be bad testing) but with some who had shown negative now showing positive is the confusion on it. So many clinical trials going on now. The Chinese are in phase 2 of a vaccine now. The first phase was done in March. This was to check if it's safe for humans. It's completed already and now the second phase is for the effectiveness.
Let's hope it works.
Isn't that a bit flippant? The 2008 recession hit harder and longer than any of the crises post-WWII in most of the world, and the initial signs suggest this crisis will have hit harder and quicker than anything in your lifetime. It might bounce back equally quickly, all we have are projections now, but what we know already sets this apart as something distinctive.
What was their impact in comparison to the 2008 financial crisis? Tbf I could just go and look it up, but I assume they weren’t as deep and long
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That’s what she said
Yup, from everything I've read - the entire point of lockdown is to get us back to the start of this fight. The lockdown is just giving you an opportunity to catch up on your testing capacity, improve your contact tracing & also workout what are the biggest bang for your buck social distancing measures.
I genuinely, you need to be able to test somewhere between 1-2% of your population per week to pull this off - possibly more if you've let it spread more severely. You're going to need systematic testing in work environments/schools & put measures in place to test people who use public transport.
I'm not from London, only been once, but I'd expect a fair portion of tube traffic is tourists / shoppers / day trippers. Still I'd reckon a mammoth amount would be workers still.
It's the major cities which will be the problem coming out of lockdown for sure. It's going to be interesting to see how they eventually cross that bridge when they come to it.
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Ah, if you’re asking her, she’ll tell you it’ll be over in no time and we’ll be back in the pub in time for last orders
Just a weird one here but, my company gave away our PPE to somewhere, cant remember where but it wasn't a hospital. Then guess who ended up not having the PPE to do our jobs?
good intentions but a bit short sighted.The tens of thousands of dead older folk might disagree.
And this has been argument all along on why I think China fudged up the numbers.
Pastor dies from coronavirus — only weeks after he defiantly held packed church service
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The stats in me cringes at the mention of "nice normal distributions"
Does a single person here think we (the UK) will be able to effectively do these measures?
Hope I'm proven wrong but it's not seeming likely.
I guess you haven’t seen the meme floating around on Twitter?
The estimates I saw were 70-80%. I did see one lower estimate but it looked like it had been calculated on R rather than R0 which I assume would mean some herd immunity effect as long as we reached this lower HIT and maintained current restrictions and practices.
Another approach will be to target vulnerable groups e.g. medical staff in the early human trials even if a full vaccine rollout takes 12-24 months.
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So what's your likely scenario then? (Not being a dick, but actually interested)
They aren't mutually exclusive are they?
The elderly are vulnerable to succumbing to the virus.
The young are more vulnerable to the catastrophic economic consequences.
All I can say to that is if the government had spent a fortune on PPE back on 2016 I can imagine the headlines if it had all gone out of date and thrown away whilst millions had been spent. Let’s not act like this should have been well planned for years ago. Who genuinely thought this would happen within the next 25 years other than the likes of Bill Gates and a few conspiracy theorists?
And as for preparing in January I suppose more could have been done at that time but I didn’t see much done by the rest of Europe. I guess they were naive to believe this wouldn’t have impacted Europe as much as it has.
A recession is a recession. The graph shows they happen with a fair bit of regularity, although we've done well to reduce both frequency and severity through the latter years of the 20th century.Isn't that a bit flippant? The 2008 recession hit harder and longer than any of the crises post-WWII in most of the world, and the initial signs suggest this crisis will have hit harder and quicker than anything in your lifetime. It might bounce back equally quickly, all we have are projections now, but what we know already sets this apart as something distinctive.
Is this one severe? Yes, obviously, but there were warnings of a recession even before the COVID-19 response decimated western economies and sped up and exacerbated the fallout.
Generally speaking the consensus is that the recovery for Black Monday and the Dot Com Bubble were fairly close in duration and only about six months shorter than the 2008 crash. That being said the bad times weren't as long but took almost as long to recover from.
Has Trump fallen out with fox? Seems to be shitting on them.
This is not an economic crisis though. It's a world crisis that will affect the economy, it's far bigger. That's why anybody who knows anything about the world markets is saying this is a once in a lifetime event.
Like a clueless arsehole?
My brother got out of quarantine last week in Shanghai. Haven’t spoke with him by my mom has said he’s been out to the pub with his football team and their league has started back up. His school is reopening at the start of May. He has been told by the school not to book flights home for the summer though yet. Wasn’t sure if that is because the school year will be extended or something to do with trouble trying to get back into China come September.
Meanwhile in Canada, I’m a little worried they don’t seem to be taking it seriously although I understand the financial need. My brother and his girlfriend have just started working at some warehouse. Apparently they aren’t eligible for the government scheme because my brother didn’t work in February and his gf only worked part time hours. My mom had my brother over for Easter though which is what worries me. My other brothers still working at his plant too. Someone has tested positive there and they shut down just for one day. Is the production of automotive dies really essential right now? He also won’t wear a mask because apparently it isn’t effective with a beard. At least his gf is being serious about it but won’t help her if he brings it home. Just seems far away from the panic it seems to be in the uk.
Meanwhile in Canada, I’m a little worried they don’t seem to be taking it seriously although I understand the financial need. My brother and his girlfriend have just started working at some warehouse. Apparently they aren’t eligible for the government scheme because my brother didn’t work in February and his gf only worked part time hours. My mom had my brother over for Easter though which is what worries me. My other brothers still working at his plant too. Someone has tested positive there and they shut down just for one day. Is the production of automotive dies really essential right now? He also won’t wear a mask because apparently it isn’t effective with a beard. At least his gf is being serious about it but won’t help her if he brings it home. Just seems far away from the panic it seems to be in the uk.