That number from the US today is horrific.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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It eats away little by little at the gums but not very much.I have used it like this for 15 years and you can not see anything except maybe in the bak of the corner teeth. Compared to when I smoked, the side effects are very small overall. My uncles have used snus their whole lives and no diseases, heart problems or anything. Still have their gums as well. But they did not use portions but the loose weight stuff. I think Portion snuff is harder on the gums so maybe it will show more effect after another 15 years.
Those two statements don't necessarily contradict themselves, I think: could be that smoking makes it harder for the virus to take a hold, but once it does you get the effect you'd expect in someone who damaged their lungs?!
Slovenia's institute for public health has pretty much said that we have managed to control the epidemic with the public distancing measures in place. There are 365 active cases and most of the spread has been limited to health care facilities. They will also start a random testing program with 1000 participants which should give us a decent idea of how the nation has been affected.
Big numbers again but slightly down from yesterday which seems like it'll be the biggest number of the week/weekend. We'll likely see a decline until Tuesday now, however small.
What's he doing now?
I've been ignoring anything to do with him for years but inadvertently saw a bit of that horrible 'lets go Ireland, let's go rest of the world' coked-up cringefest.
It’s beyond a parody. Denying Tory austerity is up there with flat earthers. Apparently the cuts and decimated services haven’t happened. All the doctors, healthcare workers, think tanks, studies that say otherwise must be mistaken or lying. We have always been at war with Eastasia, or something.The problem with politics, is that you'll instantly get Tories refuting that this happened. They'll produce some stats that apparently prove you wrong.
EDIT - I actually note someone immediately picked you up on it, and did exactly this!!
The bolded is what it really comes down to. You have already seen that spending is up near an all time high, and as per @sun_tzu 's post since 2005 we have risen up the global ranks in terms of healthcare spending. We have matched the EU average to within 0.2% over the last 5 years. So why is the performance dropping so much? That is the question that needs to be addressed, and if you forget politics for a second it's clearly not down to the overall budget.
3 deaths is a very arbitrary start date though... why not one... why not 5?
If for example you look at at day 1 being the first day to record over 100 deaths then look 10 days forward you would have:
UK 759 .... add another ten days and you have 5373
Italy 1266... add another ten days and you have 6077
Spain 1813... add another ten days and you have 9053
France 1100... add another ten days and you have 5091
Germany 872... add another ten days and you have 2673
USA 1592... add another ten days and you have 10748
lies, damn lies and statistics
But until all countries have statistics that can be compared totally and we have seen the virus brought under control its going to be very hard to really compare properly
Belgium do add in care home deaths.
I read just in Barcelona it's 3500 care home deaths to add, could be 10k to add for Spain.
Staffing is one of the big issues - thousands of nursing vacancies for a start - massive use of agency and locum staff also which in itself is a massive amount of money. You need to train the right amount of staff nationally and then have an environment that is attractive enough (including pay and conditions) that makes the vast majority of them want to stay and work in the NHS rather than emigrate to the likes of Australia to work in better paid, better work-life balance jobs. It is incredibly stressful to work in NHS in part because of the pressure that staff shortages have on those who are in the job trying to cover for 2 or more staff that can't be recruited.
Updated graph of deaths in England by day of death. Deaths in England remained flat today with 738 being reported (-2). This again lends weak support to the idea that we might've seen peak deaths on 8th April. More concerning is the sudden surge in new cases to 5,600 (+1k from yesterday). This is the highest single day total since April 5th. I wonder if Easter shenanigans might've had something to do with it.Updated graph of deaths in England by day of death. An unwelcome rise of 89 in reported cases today to 740. Still not the big increase in cases I thought would happen though. One more tiny data point that timorously suggests we might've already passed peak deaths and are beginning the long, slow, wobbly slide.
Orange is a 5 day trailing average (last 5-7 days will see large to moderate upward changes):
Orange is a 5 day trailing average (last 5-7 days will see large to moderate upward changes):
More of the same, with added xenophobia. Plus cyber-bullying a Stena Sealink employee for daring to work for a company that allowed Irish citizens drive home from abroad.
increase in testing? ...Updated graph of deaths in England by day of death. Deaths in England remained flat today with 738 being reported (-2). This again lends weak support to the idea that we might've seen peak deaths on 8th April. More concerning is the sudden surge in new cases to 5,600 (+1k from yesterday). This is the highest single day total since April 5th. I wonder if Easter shenanigans might've had something to do with it.
Orange is a 5 day trailing average (last 5-7 days will see large to moderate upward changes):
Oh.... you think that it’s an either/or switch.
If people clap they support cuts to the NHS and think the doctors should just get on with it.
If people sit indoors, all the NHS workers are recognising silence as being helpful to getting more PPE.
That’s a special kind of stupid. Even in This thread.
I didn't start the table, it was probably used as a similar starting point figure early on but you'd have to ask user RedSky.
Should go without saying that of bloody course until we get all the numbers months if not years later. This is just early tracking and has been topical at one point in the media and social media to have UK and Italy aligned side by side at 233 deaths a while back. The numbers looked ominous as they align very similar and work back to 3 each. Make your own table or graph and post it if you like.
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You do realise the sentence right before the part you made bold is the chairman of the BMA attributing this to ‘a decade of underfunding’? Hilariously you’ve somehow chosen to ignore that part.
For me the issues for the Country are far wider than the NHS. Just one area of many that crosses my mind. The pandemic once again has proved that in a Worldwide crisis generally speaking nations look after their own first and feck everyone else. Nowt wrong with that but, given this pandemic is not likely to be the last, I do so hope that we have the guts to say that some industries e.g. textile manufacturing and research labs must be promoted and protected. The constant drive for everything to be cheaper is not always wise. Why the feck the NHS yearly supply of face masks was sourced from France rather than produced in house so to speak was just plain daft.
Slight. Similar to yesterday, +2-3k people tested than early this week, +1k tested compared to over the weekend.
What, the chairman of the doctor's trade union calling for doctors to get more funding? I for one am stunned he would do such a thing.
I don't know what more proof you can be shown that NHS funding is at or near it's highest ever levels, on absolute terms, per capita, PPP, percentage of GDP, inflation adjusted, non inflation adjusted. I actually cannot find a single metric where this is not the case.
That graph does not in anyway back up your assertion. It shows what we all know that healths services across the globe have increasing needs in funding, it does not address the funding gap.You sure about that?
The NHS does not have a problem with it's overall budget.
https://fullfact.org/health/spending-english-nhs/
Yesterday he announced that we had lost two members of staff to Covid19 last weekend and that the safety of all employees and customers was most important. Then today we get that it will be business as usual in three weeks with people returning to offices etc.
It is not at all surprising that claims to listen to the experts suddenly fall flat when they dare suggest they need funding.
possibly targeted testing coming in with more positives than normal? ... just a guess
If people vote Tory, then infact yes, they do inturn support cuts to the NHS. Clapping at 8pm on a Thursday doesn't change that. And most of the people voted for the Tories. It's beyond hypocritical. Before a pandemic they didn't mind cuts to the NHS, now that Nan's on hospital they'll give them a clap?
Listen you think you're doing a good nice thing and I'm sure it's appreciated. The fact I'm arguing is that for many, it's virtue signalling, probably compensating for something. And for many NHS staff, they'd rather politicians efforts went into gaining PPE (and probably a payrise) rather than claps and badges. It's as simple as that.
Any sane member of the NHS would look at that video of Westminster bridge and be gobsmacked. They'd think you're just giving us yet more to do and wonder how other emergency services are visibly letting it go on.
When I was in Sainsbury's today there was a woman trying to bring back toilet rolls. I hope they told her to do one.
Used?
Every CEO sending out the same message!
My neighbours had a big party last night and my parents called the police because they were really loud at 2/3 AM and they basically said "what do you want us to do" and "it's not against the law" etc.
Where do you live? Because it absolutely is against the law where I'm from.
I see that the Police in England are gradually starting to loosen restrictions, e.g. you can now drive somewhere to go for a walk and take a picnic halfway round. Good news, and there definitely seem to be more cars on the road today
https://www.college.police.uk/What-...u_gIOavxlrcL3rONHcZ1-UNtpLwM1-TwWVz0JF2Ku2EYw
https://www.college.police.uk/What-...u_gIOavxlrcL3rONHcZ1-UNtpLwM1-TwWVz0JF2Ku2EYw
In the North East of England. That was our understanding too.
Well, they've got people gathered in their house and it was after 11pm with it being noisy enough for you to complain about. The second reason is more to do with environmental health but the first, under the current government advice, is something that they should have investigated. If you're pissed off about it then you could always file a complaint through https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/complaints-and-appeals/make-complaint but feck knows how far it would go tbh.
Same here, against the law at any time let alone now!
You seriously think the NHS isn't under funded compared to the increase in demand as we live longer as a population?You sure about that?
The NHS does not have a problem with it's overall budget.
Since the last labour government in 2010 there have been 4 conservative governments, winning 36.1% (2010), 36.8% (2015), 42.3% (2017) and 43.6% (2019) of the popular vote respectively.
I doubt it too!
Disaster planning has never been a great British strength, if it had we would have seen the dangers and avoided a lot of problems down the years. Hence when things do go wrong, we get caught with our pants down, we then have a stage where the Corporal Jones (the Dads Army one) 'don't panic' mentality takes over and then eventually everyone gets on board and we start to 'fix things'.
However things are never quite the same after disasters and after Covid-19 we won't need an enquiry to tell us that our economy is totally out of balance 'Service v Manufacturing' and consequentially we are struggling to make basic PPE in Britain and have to rely on buying it on world markets, when the world and his wife are shopping for the same things.. We won't need an enquiry to tell us that for years the NHS has been underfunded and also mismanaged by umpteen different Governments (of all political shades) and it only survives at all because of the goodwill, dedication and sheer hard graft of its workforce.
Official enquires are generally just a 'sop' to public opinion, how many of the recent OE's have had their outcomes fully implemented, in some case any of the outcomes implemented at all?
Yeah, it was really annoying with one of my parents having to get up at 5AM for work.
They were shouting and singing and playing music. They had kids in there and also one of the girls works is a care worker. Shocking.