Sylar
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It was like the vanilla vs vinegar discussion.Anyone remember the "Was it really rape though?" discussion when Jaime banged Cersei in the sept?
It was like the vanilla vs vinegar discussion.Anyone remember the "Was it really rape though?" discussion when Jaime banged Cersei in the sept?
Aw man, do you not remember the whole drama surrounding Rob and his "guess the timeline" thing? It was a wild ride.I thought all the leaks came true.
nowadays leaks seem to be bloody accurate
The problem is that while some characters' stories might benefit from extra seasons, others would have absolutely nowhere to go. So you'd get a lot more of the "pointless filler" storylines people here so loved, as characters basically wait around until other characters' plotlines have progressed enough for them to become relevant again.Oh I get all that, but the thought of more episodes to tell a story that we were given over 3 seasons rather than the one we got just indicates it would have more room to breath.
The issue I have is that d&d didn't just look to get writers on board to take the stress of themselves (unless they did which is bad)
But d&d did indicate an end point and then try and fit a story towards it working backwards with plot points rather than just naturally going forward and letting the story dictate how many EPs were required
Bronn disappeared for a few seasons.The problem is that while some characters' stories might benefit from extra seasons, others would have absolutely nowhere to go. So you'd get a lot more of the "pointless filler" storylines people here so loved, as characters basically wait around until other characters' plotlines have progressed enough for them to become relevant again.
It's a pacing problem that is built into adapting the structure of the books, I think. GRRM can and does happily park characters for multiple books if he wants to, whereas showrunners face logistical problems (most notably their actors' contracts) that limit what they can do. That's how you end up with a whole season of Theon being repetitively tortured as opposed to the character just being dropped for a bit as in the books. Or Arya being parked in assassin training school for longer than most fans were happy with until other plotlines have progressed enough for her to get moving again. Or characters seeming to have the ability to teleport as the story demands.
I'm not sure how else you could finish the show other than working backwards from the endpoint. If they just went with the flow it would be a meandering mess. Hell, even free of all these limitations GRRM has struggled both to manoeuvre characters around each other and to finish the story generally, so I don't think there was ever a perfectly graceful way to wrap the TV show up.
The real problem was that a lot of the writing within that was really, really stupid.
I agree with this. The first season aside, much of the series just felt like filler at time, leading up to the big shock moments. Then again, it was the shock moments that made the show and built it into such a phenomenon.The seeds of the problems that would gradually become a major issue were there from very early on, was not that much of a surprise how it fell away if the criticisms that were leveled at the earlier seasons had been heeded. The showrunners were generally pretty good at the big set pieces, the wow moments, were not so good(to put it mildly) at the world and character building that tied those moments together.
It should have been so much better, not the last couple of seasons alone but the whole project.
The shock moments had been built upto and made sense.I agree with this. The first season aside, much of the series just felt like filler at time, leading up to the big shock moments. Then again, it was the shock moments that made the show and built it into such a phenomenon.
I’m not disputing the shock moments, moreso that the entire series revolved around them for the most part. They could throw out any old shit for a few episodes and it wouldn’t matter because omg episode 9 is coming!!!!!1The shock moments had been built upto and made sense.
Neds beheading was due to him being captured cos he was a little naive.
Robs downfall was him going back on a promise he made.
Jon Snows death happened due to the watch feeling betrayed by him for getting the wildlings in.
Stannis burnt his daughter, he thought it would help, but the consequences was people leaving him and his army struggling.
Viper getting his eyes crushed was him showboating like a bond villain
Upto season 5 (and s6) the shocking parts had all been built. Even the finale of s6 with everything going up was consequences due to action.
There may have been some things which were a bit hollywood (like Arya escaping stab wounds, last min save of Jon and his army vs Ramsay) but those were pretty small and even a bit accepted.
But then it just felt like actions had no consequences at all.
I get you, though thats very harsh on s4. The episodes around though were quality.I’m not disputing the shock moments, moreso that the entire series revolved around them for the most part. They could throw out any old shit for a few episodes and it wouldn’t matter because omg episode 9 is coming!!!!!1
Yeah there were exceptions, season 4 was very good. Season 1 for me had the most quality and depth I thought though.I get you, though thats very harsh on s4. The episodes around though were quality.
Jaime.Did we ever get a definitive answer for who tried to kill bran in season 1?
Cant remember this, can you remind me how that was confirmed?Jaime.
Cant remember this, can you remind me how that was confirmed?
i thought it was Joffrey but don’t remember why.Did we ever get a definitive answer for who tried to kill bran in season 1?
I mean the assassination attempt after
Yea I can't remember either. Ive forgotten so muchi thought it was Joffrey but don’t remember why.
Thanks for the book spoiler.i thought it was Joffrey but don’t remember why.
Baelish.Did we ever get a definitive answer for who tried to kill bran in season 1?
It was openly stated to be Baelish.It was heavily implied to be Joffrey, though we never found out for certain.
That was the peak of reaction videos on youtube.Rains of castamere was just on sky Atlantic
Those last 20 mins
I remember watching it for the first time and just being shocked at what I saw
Didn't like the later seasons but I agree with this. I know that this isn't exactly an original sentiment but I'm perfectly happy with where things ended up, just not with how.Been re-watching the final season recently because it's a year since it aired and, yep, still enjoy it a year on. Definitely has some dumb moments but I appreciated what the writers tried to say about the true face of war, the devastating effects of power, and the role that they both play in inflicting and prolonging trauma. It's not the most graceful conclusion in the world, and I don't like the last two seasons as much as the first six, but I loved the first six seasons so much so the last 13 episodes had a lot to live up to. What I got was pretty satisfying and, to the writers' credit, incredibly bold. It would have been very easy to have the Night King to be the final boss and to have Jon and Daenerys live happily ever after, but I'm not sure what that would have really said in the grand scheme of things.
Did we ever get a definitive answer for who tried to kill bran in season 1?
I think it was littlefinger who ordered it. He wanted it to look like it was the lannisters this framing Tyrion who won it in a card game. Also that scene in S7 with Bran staring at Littlefinger while saying Chaos is a ladder, while holding the blade was probably a big clue.
It was Joffrey. Tyrion and Jaime worked it out and GRRM confirmed their suspicion.It was openly stated to be Baelish.
I guess book spoilers don't matter now but from memory, although Tyrion believes that to be so (to impress big Bobby Baratheon?) and believes Joffrey's reaction when confronted confirms it, I'm not sure it's ever stated definitively in the text is it? Although if GRRM says it is so I guess it is so and it's been a while since I read the books.It was Joffrey. Tyrion and Jaime worked it out and GRRM confirmed their suspicion.
Wasn't it Littlefinger and with Tyrions dagger because he wanted to start trouble.Did we ever get a definitive answer for who tried to kill bran in season 1?
Actually you're right, in the show it is definitely presented as Baelish being behind the scheme. I could be wrong about the book explanation as well, but I prefer the idea of Joffrey being behind it (though from memory it was a bit of a lackluster reveal) for geographical reasons, and also it seems unlikely to me that he would have engineered the scheme while using his own knife (though LF is hardly subtle or cautious in the book when it comes to using the knife and the events surrounding it anyway).I guess book spoilers don't matter now but from memory, although Tyrion believes that to be so (to impress big Bobby Baratheon?) and believes Joffrey's reaction when confronted confirms it, I'm not sure it's ever stated definitively in the text is it? Although if GRRM says it is so I guess it is so and it's been a while since I read the books.
In the TV show though, surely it is Baelish, at least to the extent that he arranged the assassin?
I think it was littlefinger who ordered it. He wanted it to look like it was the lannisters this framing Tyrion who won it in a card game. Also that scene in S7 with Bran staring at Littlefinger while saying Chaos is a ladder, while holding the blade was probably a big clue.
I guess book spoilers don't matter now but from memory, although Tyrion believes that to be so (to impress big Bobby Baratheon?) and believes Joffrey's reaction when confronted confirms it, I'm not sure it's ever stated definitively in the text is it? Although if GRRM says it is so I guess it is so and it's been a while since I read the books.
In the TV show though, surely it is Baelish, at least to the extent that he arranged the assassin?
Wasn't it Littlefinger and with Tyrions dagger because he wanted to start trouble.
Do you consider it a plothole that it wasnt clarified in some form or do you like the ambiguity of it all?Actually you're right, in the show it is definitely presented as Baelish being behind the scheme. I could be wrong about the book explanation as well, but I prefer the idea of Joffrey being behind it (though from memory it was a bit of a lackluster reveal) for geographical reasons, and also it seems unlikely to me that he would have engineered the scheme while using his own knife (though LF is hardly subtle or cautious in the book when it comes to using the knife and the events surrounding it anyway).
It was Joffery who sent the assasin.i thought it was Joffrey but don’t remember why.
It's the letter that starts everything in motion right?Wasn't it Littlefinger and with Tyrions dagger because he wanted to start trouble.