[Jeppers7]

I think I’d go along with those figures too. I’d also add that a lot of those ‘average games by top player standards’ have been bread and butter performances for many top players across the game. He’s won MOTM in a number of those games, for example, given he’s won that award more than the 14/15 really good games you speak of. A good performance with no goal or assist in a routine 2-0 home win doesn’t stick in the memory. Nobody may have been spectacular, and he was still the best player on the pitch. These are the games that have sneakily been filed under ‘poor performance’ in retrospect, and it’s just false. They were not considered poor performances 10 minutes after the game. They were not games that will stick in the memory for years though, and have been taken away from him at a later date.

I can pluck a random game being United vs Leicester in August 2017 where he was voted MOTM, and we won 2-0. I doubt that makes anyone’s list of ‘great performances’ for him, but it’s a forgotten game like this which is swept into the ‘he hasn’t played well’ category.

I remember texting a friend from OT during that game, asking if the commentators had mentioned Pogba because he was immense. He said not really. Watched the France Argentina game a couple of days ago on FIFA TV. They had Ian Darke commentating on it. The ball Pogba played to Mbappe....60 yards on a sixpence after being fouled...he didn’t mention it. Not even on replay. There’s a definite agenda in the media in England and everyone has bought into it. The reality is left behind with a great pass, excellent performance swept aside unless it was memorable like the city game, where actually his overall performance wasn’t the best it has been or even close.

As an aside, I remember watching Ronaldo and Rooney when they first came to United. I was always convinced Ronaldo was by day the better player. I used to watch Ronaldo's good games be forgotten about, and Rooneys poor games get forgotten about. It was as if Rooney never had a bad game. He had loads. But if Rooney played a good pass...you’d hear about it for the entire week. Where Ronaldos great run or skill or cross wouldn’t be mentioned.

I’m sure there’s something to link this, confirmation bias.

 

[JPRouve]

And I forgot to mention something that is important, Pogba is a physical specimen, it's a 190cm footballer that plays like your usual 170cm player, he is all about technique and finesse, he is stronger than most but he isn't gritty. I also think that it irks a lot of people that initially judged him on his appearance and assumed that he would be Vieira 2.0, I think that a lot of people fail to understand that he hasn't been developed as a DM, he hasn't been developed as a traditional box to box but as an attacking box to box or attacking central midfielder, he has never been the best all around player that some imagined, he is simply one of the best technicians in football, he is closer to a Riquelme than he is to a Souness.

 

[Rozay]

I remember texting a friend from OT during that game, asking if the commentators had mentioned Pogba because he was immense. He said not really. Watched the France Argentina game a couple of days ago on FIFA TV. They had Ian Darke commentating on it. The ball Pogba played to Mbappe....60 yards on a sixpence after being fouled...he didn’t mention it. Not even on replay. There’s a definite agenda in the media in England and everyone has bought into it. The reality is left behind with a great pass, excellent performance swept aside unless it was memorable like the city game, where actually his overall performance wasn’t the best it has been or even close.

As an aside, I remember watching Ronaldo and Rooney when they first came to United. I was always convinced Ronaldo was by day the better player. I used to watch Ronaldo's good games be forgotten about, and Rooneys poor games get forgotten about. It was as if Rooney never had a bad game. He had loads. But if Rooney played a good pass...you’d hear about it for the entire week. Where Ronaldos great run or skill or cross wouldn’t be mentioned.

I’m sure there’s something to link this, confirmation bias.

Certainly the same observations I have made. Praise from commentators is very reluctant, except for a game like City away, where you have no choice but to praise, although as you said - he’s had better all round games. A game like that is then used against him because it can be cited that he needs to do it every big game, which is nonsense. I can’t recall Kevin De Bruyne doing that against us in any game. I can’t recall him doing that against Liverpool. You don’t just go and ‘take the game by the scruff of the neck’ and beat the best teams on your own from CM - certainly not as a matter of course anyway.

I share similar views about the Rooney and Ronaldo situation too, and have referenced it a lot when speaking with friends. Rooney started the brighter and there was no shyness in putting Ronaldo down in comparison to Rooney. Then as Ronaldo started changing gears; the praise was reserved until they would look stupid for not giving it. Then we moved to ‘why do we have to compare them anyway, we should just enjoy the fact that we have two young talents to watch’, which was a line regularly used on the caf at the time too, although there was no problem with comparing them before.

The press have been building up Harry Kane to United a bit. We could sign him for a whole £200m and he would have to be absolutely atrocious before they come out and label him a flop or disappointment in the way they have rushed to do with Pogba. Before we get there, we’d have to go through several stages ranging from ‘offers the team more than just goals’ and ‘leadership qualities’ before Ole Solskjær is simply not getting it right.

I don’t think British football, including many United fans, warmed to Pogba from his very return. That is for a number of reasons, but the readiness to dismiss him as an overrated pony was there from the very beginning, and then from there, everything that has happened has been used to validate that. You could say he could have still disproven that, which is true, but he would have to have done twice as much as other top players to do so. Over the years, the caf have listed a number of players we should replace him with, none of whom are as good as him in reality. It’s only in the last 6 months or whatever that they have been more aggressive in the comfort that they can rationalise it by saying ‘well if he doesn’t want to be here’, but this has been a conversation since Dele Alli started playing for Spurs.

 

[Isotope]

Papers would do whatever sell (positive or negatively). It seems like a lot of people like to talk about Pogba (even in here).

Pogba won't be on papers if there's no interest from public. It's a guaranteed. So blame the public, not papers.

 

[JPRouve]

Certainly the same observations I have made. Praise from commentators is very reluctant, except for a game like City away, where you have no choice but to praise, although as you said - he’s had better all round games. A game like that is then used against him because it can be cited that he needs to do it every big game, which is nonsense. I can’t recall Kevin De Bruyne doing that against us in any game. I can’t recall him doing that against Liverpool. You don’t just go and ‘take the game by the scruff of the neck’ and beat the best teams on your own from CM - certainly not as a matter of course anyway.

I share similar views about the Rooney and Ronaldo situation too, and have referenced it a lot when speaking with friends. Rooney started the brighter and there was no shyness in putting Ronaldo down in comparison to Rooney. Then as Ronaldo started changing gears; the praise was reserved until they would look stupid for not giving it. Then we moved to ‘why do we have to compare them anyway, we should just enjoy the fact that we have two young talents to watch’, which was a line regularly used on the caf at the time too, although there was no problem with comparing them before.

The press have been building up Harry Kane to United a bit. We could sign him for a whole £200m and he would have to be absolutely atrocious before they come out and label him a flop or disappointment in the way they have rushed to do with Pogba. Before we get there, we’d have to go through several stages ranging from ‘offers the team more than just goals’ and ‘leadership qualities’ before Ole Solskjær is simply not getting it right.

I don’t think British football, including many United fans, warmed to Pogba from his very return. That is for a number of reasons, but the readiness to dismiss him as an overrated pony was there from the very beginning, and then from there, everything that has happened has been used to validate that. You could say he could have still disproven that, which is true, but he would have to have done twice as much as other top players to do so. Over the years, the caf have listed a number of players we should replace him with, none of whom are as good as him in reality. It’s only in the last 6 months or whatever that they have been more aggressive in the comfort that they can rationalise it by saying ‘well if he doesn’t want to be here’, but this has been a conversation since Dele Alli started playing for Spurs.

I was actually thinking about that before responding to your previous post. You can make that statemement for almost all PL top players since 2016, which one of them has had even one great game against us? We played the PL top teams almost a dozen of times each and at best you could name one game where they have played at a high level individually, the best of them are probably Aguero and Hazard but both have also been criticized and deemed ready for the glue factory at various points of that timeframe.

 

[kouroux]

In a worldwide pandemic, some people still find time to hate on Pogba.

 

[JPRouve]

In a worldwide pandemic, some people still find time to hate on Pogba.

There is never been a better time to hate on a virus.

 

[Rozay]

I was actually thinking about that before responding to your previous post. You can make that statemement for almost all PL top players since 2016, which one of them has had even one great game against us? We played the PL top teams almost a dozen of times each and at best you could name one game where they have played at a high level individually, the best of them are probably Aguero and Hazard but both have also been criticized and deemed ready for the glue factory at various points of that timeframe.

The players you mentioned are, of course, also forward players who can even be more reasonably expected to go and win the game for their team. Similarly, we have a forward in Martial who has scored a number of big goals against big teams but has never really been respected.

It typically takes a big team effort to win a big game, and the press have expected Pogba to turn up and dominate games that they, in their Sky Sports build-up, have almost never had us as favourites for since he’s been here.

 

[kouroux]

There is never been a better time to hate on a virus.

Nice one, I served it on a platter

 

[kouroux]

I remember texting a friend from OT during that game, asking if the commentators had mentioned Pogba because he was immense. He said not really. Watched the France Argentina game a couple of days ago on FIFA TV. They had Ian Darke commentating on it. The ball Pogba played to Mbappe....60 yards on a sixpence after being fouled...he didn’t mention it. Not even on replay. There’s a definite agenda in the media in England and everyone has bought into it. The reality is left behind with a great pass, excellent performance swept aside unless it was memorable like the city game, where actually his overall performance wasn’t the best it has been or even close.

As an aside, I remember watching Ronaldo and Rooney when they first came to United. I was always convinced Ronaldo was by day the better player. I used to watch Ronaldo's good games be forgotten about, and Rooneys poor games get forgotten about. It was as if Rooney never had a bad game. He had loads. But if Rooney played a good pass...you’d hear about it for the entire week. Where Ronaldos great run or skill or cross wouldn’t be mentioned.

I’m sure there’s something to link this, confirmation bias.

Tbh, I think it's because those elements of the game simply elude some of the commentators/pundits. They'd rather focus on stupid crunching tackles, towering headers than something as subtle as that. You see this in PL matches broacast, the amount of times they replay for physical elements of the game and for technical ones.

 

[He'sRaldo]

There is never been a better time to hate on a virus.

 

[Bobski]

I don't care about haircuts, dances, social media, don't have sky/bt, usually stream a game in a language other than English. I still think Pogba has been disappointing in the main for Utd, some spells of excellence, and a lot of mediocrity. Too often I have watched Pogba lose focus during a game, go through a spell of terrible decisions, being caught on the ball in bad areas, switching off defensively. Perhaps I expect too much from him, but that comes from seeing how gifted he is, he has the tools to be the best all around midfielder in the game, but he still plays like a high end luxury player.

 

[cyberman]

Balague thinks he'll sign a new conract, for what its worth

 

[Jeppers7]

I don't care about haircuts, dances, social media, don't have sky/bt, usually stream a game in a language other than English. I still think Pogba has been disappointing in the main for Utd, some spells of excellence, and a lot of mediocrity. Too often I have watched Pogba lose focus during a game, go through a spell of terrible decisions, being caught on the ball in bad areas, switching off defensively. Perhaps I expect too much from him, but that comes from seeing how gifted he is, he has the tools to be the best all around midfielder in the game, but he still plays like a high end luxury player.

And his teammates have been better ?

 

[Bobski]

And his teammates have been better ?

And his teammates have not been criticized?

 

[432JuanMata]

I’d like to see him with Bruno as I feel he looks better which more creative players around him hence why he looks better at France and Juve though I think if we are to play both in long term we need a Kanye/Fernandinho player to help as that why is he looks good for France is Kanye does the work behind him.

 

[Rozay]

Again very insightful, thank you. I also don't think it helps that Mino is probably the most known agent in football ATM, maybe barring Mendez. Add to this the fact stories are circulating from him about the most media publicized club in world football, with said player being our most prized asset. Media definitely don't help but like you said, sensitivity levels have changed as I can't remember Ronaldo or even Rooney dividing the fan base as much as current times. My view (hope) is this is contract negotiations, none to similar to Bale and ourselves in recent years. TBH I can't recall any players criticising Mino for the job he does.

Again, I applaud your unbiased view point and look forward to more insightful positivity from yourself. Half the reason I don't spend much time commenting any more is the pure wave after wave of negativity.

Just following on from this line of conversation we were having yesterday. Was scrolling through Twitter a few minutes ago, and I saw a newspaper with a headline from Balde Keita (Mane’s Senegal teammate) saying ‘I can’t see him staying there forever’ leaving the ‘door open for Madrid move’. This story has been in the background for a while now, but like I was saying, it is what it is, it’s part of the game. It could be over-analysed, we could say that they are friends and Keita couldn’t possibly speak without Mané being behind it, or ask why he doesn’t silence his mate - but in reality, it’s just the shit that happens with top players. Ultimately, he’ll either leave or he’ll stay. I don’t expect the Liverpool fans to look at him any differently in the meantime.

 

[laughtersassassin]

Reckon Ballague is just hedging his bets now that teams will have less to spend tbh. He never knows a thing.

That said I reckon he'll stay. Not sure about a new contract.

 

[Jeppers7]

And his teammates have not been criticized?

As long as you acknowledge he’s been our best player since he’s been back, yeah criticism is valid from that standpoint

 

[pratyush_utd]

Balague thinks he'll sign a new conract, for what its worth

I know ITK are not to be trusted but there is one on Reddit who is fairly good I must say ( but again don't shoot the messenger because I have no way to verify his credibility) , had mentioned 4 days ago that Pogba will be signing the contract.

 

[pratyush_utd]

In a worldwide pandemic, some people still find time to hate on Pogba.

Amazing isn't it? He is our best player and from all accounts seems a good character also. I don't know how people can hate him. But then again Mourinho got Chelsea fans to call Hazard a rat , so maybe the virus wasnt Pogba.

 

[ValenciasDrilledCrosses]

Balague thinks he'll sign a new conract, for what its worth

He's off then

 

[ValenciasDrilledCrosses]

I know ITK are not to be trusted but there is one on Reddit who is fairly good I must say ( but again don't shoot the messenger because I have no way to verify his credibility) , had mentioned 4 days ago that Pogba will be signing the contract.

Haven't been on the subreddit for a while. I don't particularly believe in ITKs either but could you link me the post? Love a bit of muppeting

 

[Adam-Utd]

And his teammates have not been criticized?

Nobody is saying he doesn't deserve some criticism - but the issue is people go WAY too far and then start acting like he is an issue and should be sold.

The fact is last year he was our top scorer and assister, if he was playing for Arsenal they'd be talking about him very differently.

The whole spat with Mourinho is what has soured people to Pogba and the whole "virus" thing has stuck which is completely unfair and not fitting to his personality.

Mourinho tried to character assasinate him and lost his job for it.

 

[kirk buttercup]

He probably wanted to go but with the current climate and the fact some clubs are going to be under huge financial strain he was probably advised staying here is his best option . If we do start bringing in players like Bruno and some of the names mentioned on here, and surrounding him with quality and intelligent footballers this will be fantastic as I think the more quality he has around him the better he will be. Would love to see him stay and reach his potential in a United Jersey. To be honest I did think he would move on.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Nobody is saying he doesn't deserve some criticism - but the issue is people go WAY too far and then start acting like he is an issue and should be sold.

The fact is last year he was our top scorer and assister, if he was playing for Arsenal they'd be talking about him very differently.

The whole spat with Mourinho is what has soured people to Pogba and the whole "virus" thing has stuck which is completely unfair and not fitting to his personality.

Mourinho tried to character assasinate him and lost his job for it.

I don't think he's a virus. I just think he's an underwhelming player for the value and hype around him. Got bags of ability but we see it about 5 times a season at his very best. Just not been a good signing and people constantly blame managers and his team mates than accepting he's just not done enough in a red shirt. Other players get abuse and it's all on then. Pogba gets defended and people blame his team mates. The Cardiff goal on last day of season sums up my feelings on him. He has it in his game sadly.

It's part of modern football though. He's a social media Influencer and people think he's better than he actually is.

 

[Rozay]

I don't think he's a virus. I just think he's an underwhelming player for the value and hype around him. Got bags of ability but we see it about 5 times a season at his very best. Just not been a good signing and people constantly blame managers and his team mates than accepting he's just not done enough in a red shirt. Other players get abuse and it's all on then. Pogba gets defended and people blame his team mates. The Cardiff goal on last day of season sums up my feelings on him. He has it in his game sadly.

It's part of modern football though. He's a social media Influencer and people think he's better than he actually is.

I would say that he’s been a bit disappointing as a player. What I’d also say is that I think his ‘poor was’ is exaggerated/overstated - as he has still managed to be the best that we have, and I don’t think it’s fair to remove context entirely.

I think the player that you and I both would have liked to see every week is a little harder to show in a struggling side. I don’t even think it is a case of ‘better players’ as such, I think we have had plenty of good players, but just the ‘team’ as a unit hasn’t been a good one for whatever reason.

He’s not an ‘underwhelming footballer’ - he’s been a pro for long enough to show that he’s a top midfielder. He’s shown it often enough for Manchester United to see that he’s a top midfielder. You saying that he plays well 5 times a season is simply a lie. If we could both be bothered I could take you through it game by game to show that you have pulled that figure from nowhere.

Messi isn’t the same player for Argentina that he is for Barcelona. Scholes, Gerrard, Rooney and plenty others were not the same players for England as they were for their clubs. All of those teams have other good players in it, so it isn’t as simple as that. It’s just that the unit clearly didn’t get the best out of them. Pogba had 4 straight seasons in Italy where these things were not said. He’s also been impressive for his country. So it isn’t just random deflection to wonder whether we have gotten the best out of him at United, just like Messi hasn’t been a different player for Argentina because he’s rubbish.

In general, I don’t think he’s been as bad as you make out, and I think he’s been done little favour by being part of an unsuccessful team. The fact is, since he’s been here, he’s remained one of the few players who could still leave here and join a better team than us. To say that he’s a ‘social media influencer’ is disrespectful and nonsense.

 

[Adam-Utd]

I don't think he's a virus. I just think he's an underwhelming player for the value and hype around him. Got bags of ability but we see it about 5 times a season at his very best. Just not been a good signing and people constantly blame managers and his team mates than accepting he's just not done enough in a red shirt. Other players get abuse and it's all on then. Pogba gets defended and people blame his team mates. The Cardiff goal on last day of season sums up my feelings on him. He has it in his game sadly.

It's part of modern football though. He's a social media Influencer and people think he's better than he actually is.

Do they though?

What do you think people think of him? He IS one of the best midfielders in the world in terms of creating and building play. He has the ability to score from both feet and in the air.

The only weakness you could say is he does have the attitude to drop his head a bit when it goes wrong, but lots of players/people get frustrated.

Regarding that Cardiff goal - its easy to blame Pogba for switching off for a second but there is a way bigger issue than that for the goal. Go back and watch it again.


First of all, the setup for that throw in is just crazy. Why on earth has Smalling decided to go and double mark the striker in the left back position? he's left the CB slot and given it to Mctominay.

At this point Mctominay is then too tight and gets rolled way too easily. The correct setup should have been Smalling behind the striker and Mctominay screening in front.

You have to blame Smalling for this for taking such a silly decision and relying on Mctominay to play a centre back role.

Yes Pogba should have followed the run a bit better but in the defensive structure there is way more issues that actually causes the goal - but it's easy to blame Pogba isn't it?

 

[Jeppers7]

Do they though?

What do you think people think of him? He IS one of the best midfielders in the world in terms of creating and building play. He has the ability to score from both feet and in the air.

The only weakness you could say is he does have the attitude to drop his head a bit when it goes wrong, but lots of players/people get frustrated.

Regarding that Cardiff goal - its easy to blame Pogba for switching off for a second but there is a way bigger issue than that for the goal. Go back and watch it again.


First of all, the setup for that throw in is just crazy. Why on earth has Smalling decided to go and double mark the striker in the left back position? he's left the CB slot and given it to Mctominay.

At this point Mctominay is then too tight and gets rolled way too easily. The correct setup should have been Smalling behind the striker and Mctominay screening in front.

You have to blame Smalling for this for taking such a silly decision and relying on Mctominay to play a centre back role.

Yes Pogba should have followed the run a bit better but in the defensive structure there is way more issues that actually causes the goal - but it's easy to blame Pogba isn't it?

Jesus that’s shocking defending. What was Smalling doing and McT ? It’s crazy how people remember these random incidents when they involve Pogba, players run off the back of players every game dozens of times, the take a chance when someone’s not expecting it. Happens ALL the time during games. Only thing is teams don’t usually defend as poorly as that. It was Sunday league from McT and Smalling. One throw ripped us apart. Pogba has blame, but in the same way every player has blame dozens of times in a game when someone runs off the back of them. The other two players? Feck me how someone can watch what they did, then blame Pogba ? Agenda driven.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Jesus that’s shocking defending. What was Smalling doing and McT ? It’s crazy how people remember these random incidents when they involve Pogba, players run off the back of players every game dozens of times, the take a chance when someone’s not expecting it. Happens ALL the time during games. Only thing is teams don’t usually defend as poorly as that. It was Sunday league from McT and Smalling. One throw ripped us apart. Pogba has blame, but in the same way every player has blame dozens of times in a game when someone runs off the back of them. The other two players? Feck me how someone can watch what they did, then blame Pogba ? Agenda driven.

Exactly what i'm saying.

You could go through every match and find something somebody did wrong. Every goal conceded is through a mistake of some sort.

For some reason people just have Pogba as their target and will completely ignore all the good he does as "expected for his transfer fee" but whenever he makes a mistake it's all his fault.

Just like the Crystal Palace goal 2nd he gets blamed for; he gets tackled on the half way line with our whole back 4 behind him. We have the chance to win the ball back plenty, AWB makes a good tackle and it luckily falls to PVA who takes a potshot. De Gea SHOULD be saving this, it's at his near post and he's usually very good with strong arms like that but he lets it creep in.

Why is Pogba more to blame for this? we are chasing the game in the dying minutes, he receives the ball from a throw in and instead of taking the safe and easy option of passing it BACKWARDS to Lindelof, he turns and tries to carry it forward. You have to say it's great forward defending by Benteke to chase Pogba back and tackle him from behind.

Things like this happen all the time but it's only really pointed out because it's Pogba and they need a target to blame.

 

[Jeppers7]

Exactly what i'm saying.

You could go through every match and find something somebody did wrong. Every goal conceded is through a mistake of some sort.

For some reason people just have Pogba as their target and will completely ignore all the good he does as "expected for his transfer fee" but whenever he makes a mistake it's all his fault.

Just like the Crystal Palace goal 2nd he gets blamed for; he gets tackled on the half way line with our whole back 4 behind him. We have the chance to win the ball back plenty, AWB makes a good tackle and it luckily falls to PVA who takes a potshot. De Gea SHOULD be saving this, it's at his near post and he's usually very good with strong arms like that but he lets it creep in.

Why is Pogba more to blame for this? we are chasing the game in the dying minutes, he receives the ball from a throw in and instead of taking the safe and easy option of passing it BACKWARDS to Lindelof, he turns and tries to carry it forward. You have to say it's great forward defending by Benteke to chase Pogba back and tackle him from behind.

Things like this happen all the time but it's only really pointed out because it's Pogba and they need a target to blame.

same game Pogba tackled Zaha, who was trying to dribble in his own half and we equalised from it....nobody cares because it’s quite normal to dribble and it’s quite normal to get tackled. You don’t do it on the edge of your own box....other than that, dribbling is fine. Getting tackled is normal....unless your Pogba.

 

[Adam-Utd]

same game Pogba tackled Zaha, who was trying to dribble in his own half and we equalised from it....nobody cares because it’s quite normal to dribble and it’s quite normal to get tackled. You don’t do it on the edge of your own box....other than that, dribbling is fine. Getting tackled is normal....unless your Pogba.

Glad there's still somebody with their head screwed on!

 

[Jeppers7]

Had a read through some games from last season on his performance thread...honestly don’t think the guy can win. Some games where his contribution was excellent like Burnley away, Wolves at home, Watford away, Chelsea away....half the posters are moaning because he either didn’t boss the entire 90 minutes or lost the ball at times, or got blocked at a corner when Chelsea scored, which again happens all the time without a deal being made of it, unless it’s Pogba. Games where overall he was brilliant but get forgotten or people have unrealistic expectations.

I love Bruno, think he’s been sensational....however I’ve made a point about the City game. We got dominated especially second half, overall Bruno didn’t do too much but what he did was creative and decisive in terms of setting up the goal and making a chance for James. I could see Pogba getting criticised for that type of performance. Goes missing in big games, can’t dominate big teams, shows up for a couple of minutes then does nothing for 80 minutes etc etc.

expectation and perception are huge.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Having the ability is only half the battle. He doesn't use the great amounts of ability he has as well as other players do. He never really has. He was better at Juve than for us but even Italian football fans will tell you he wasn't the main man for them either. Had flaws in his game even there.

And for France he isn't always great either. He had 2 or 3 distinctly average performances at the world Cup finals too yet people seem to think he was amazing throughout. He wasn't.

He's a decent player who should be a top player but he lacks the effort and attitude to be the very best. KDB n David Silva work their socks off for City. Pogba has 1 good game 1 awful game and 2 or 3 averages ones for us. He's just not fulfilled his potential at all and some of that is on the club situation but a lot of it is on him. I genuinely think all his brand stuff and instragram stuff has taken away from his game.

 

[He'sRaldo]

Having the ability is only half the battle. He doesn't use the great amounts of ability he has as well as other players do. He never really has. He was better at Juve than for us but even Italian football fans will tell you he wasn't the main man for them either. Had flaws in his game even there.

And for France he isn't always great either. He had 2 or 3 distinctly average performances at the world Cup finals too yet people seem to think he was amazing throughout. He wasn't.

He's a decent player who should be a top player but he lacks the effort and attitude to be the very best. KDB n David Silva work their socks off for City. Pogba has 1 good game 1 awful game and 2 or 3 averages ones for us. He's just not fulfilled his potential at all and some of that is on the club situation but a lot of it is on him. I genuinely think all his brand stuff and instragram stuff has taken away from his game.

This is parroted so often without any meaning that it's hard to believe you didn't just hear it off some media somewhere and start repeating it.

What does it mean exactly, since you formed the opinion on your own?

 

[Adam-Utd]

Having the ability is only half the battle. He doesn't use the great amounts of ability he has as well as other players do. He never really has. He was better at Juve than for us but even Italian football fans will tell you he wasn't the main man for them either. Had flaws in his game even there.

And for France he isn't always great either. He had 2 or 3 distinctly average performances at the world Cup finals too yet people seem to think he was amazing throughout. He wasn't.

He's a decent player who should be a top player but he lacks the effort and attitude to be the very best. KDB n David Silva work their socks off for City. Pogba has 1 good game 1 awful game and 2 or 3 averages ones for us. He's just not fulfilled his potential at all and some of that is on the club situation but a lot of it is on him. I genuinely think all his brand stuff and instragram stuff has taken away from his game.

He wasn't better at Juve, all his stats prove he has been better in terms of attacking and defending.

I think the main issue here is with you and others who share the same opinion. YOU are expecting him to be a playstation footballer who never misses a shot, pass or tackle.

When he is the top scorer and assister at the club you have to ask is it really him not pulling his weight? he's only 1 out of 11.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Anybody know how many times Pogba's played as the most advanced midfielder and as the deepest midfielder? I mean I don't really expect him to be carrying the team if he has spent most of his time deep in midfield

 

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[Art]

Hope there's some Raoila-should-keep-his-mouth-zipped clause in this new contract extension. Im tired of every media and television outlet latching onto and making headlines of a loud mouth agents words every two weeks based off our form. Its such an overused narrative.