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Let's be honest, he has no fecking choice but to stay with us. There has never been anything concrete from Juve and outside of a few Zidane comments Real have said and done squat. Raiola was borderline begging the last few months trying to get something going. United were always in the driving seat.
In my opinion Pogba's camp has made some silly decisions but I hope this is a sign that they see the challenge is here, with United and this young squad.
Stop fecking around and start beating the league and European fodder. We hold our own against the big clubs around us but we need that talent in the squad to fecking maul the rest of the league.
But I get the feeling they will be sniffing for a move the moment someone shows an interest.
Happy if he leaves for a nice fee and happy if he stays and starts tearing it up.
In my opinion Pogba's camp has made some silly decisions but I hope this is a sign that they see the challenge is here, with United and this young squad.
Stop fecking around and start beating the league and European fodder. We hold our own against the big clubs around us but we need that talent in the squad to fecking maul the rest of the league.
But I get the feeling they will be sniffing for a move the moment someone shows an interest.
Happy if he leaves for a nice fee and happy if he stays and starts tearing it up.
If United keeps bringing players like Fernandes, there's no reason to go anywhere. Pogba came back to United because he wants to win here first and foremost, regardless of whatever people might think. If the team stays mediocre for the best years of his career, I can't blame him for wanting to look elsewhere. Bring in Sancho, resign Pogba, and let the good times roll.
Good ol' Howard.
Think especially with the lack of finance after Corona it would be wise of him to sign a new deal.
The rumours seem to be hotting up also, here's hoping.
The rumours seem to be hotting up also, here's hoping.
Would be great news.
DeGea
AWB
Maguire
Lindelof/Bailly
Shaw
Fred/McT
Pogba
Bruno
Rashford
Martial
Sancho
That’s a team to compete for trophies.
DeGea
AWB
Maguire
Lindelof/Bailly
Shaw
Fred/McT
Pogba
Bruno
Rashford
Martial
Sancho
That’s a team to compete for trophies.
I’ll pop a champagne when he signs 
Pogba signing a new contract would be absolutely massive. Get Sancho in and our team is starting to look very strong.
I'm also confused with what reason some of us hate Pogba for wanting to leave.
It's similar to RVP at Arsenal, RVP knew he was getting older, realised that Arsenal couldn't compete to even challenging the league & he can't finish his career with just winning FA Cup but wants to win major trophy at least league title, he came to conclusion left Arsenal & joined a team with the best manager all time. However, majority Arsenal fans didn't get it.
Same with Pogba, this guy wants to win major trophy, last summer he saw nothing to convince him that United is anywhere near to Liverpool & City, thus, he opened himself for other clubs.
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Is he reliable?
I think he's quite hit and miss. Not really sure what he's trying to say in his tweet either, which is probably reflective of how much he knows about all this.
Still no established striker in that list, which is a problem.
In theory we have no less of an ‘established striker’ as the champions elect.
I don’t think so, an interchangeable forward three is better than a focal point for me, I believe that having Lukaku hampered Rashford and Martial. That team has goals in it from five players. Front three could easily get 60-70 goals between them. Pogba and Bruno could easily get 30 between them, then 20 from Greenwood/Ighalo. 10 between rest of squad. 130 goals over a season without anyone needing to score more than 25 in all comps.
The prospect is beyond mouthwatering to be honest. Building around that set up, since both Bruno and Pogba contribute a lot defensively, the system now allows to play two wide forwards on each wing with a playmaking number 9. We would be devastating both in possession and on the counter. Looking solely at players currently on our books, imagine Pogba winning possession in our defensive half-space, and feeding Martial near the center circle, who now has Rashford, Bruno and Mason/James all making forward moves. Opposition teams would think twice leaving four defenders behind on any attack. There would be spaces popping up all over the field and all our technical and fast players would benefit as a result. I find it hard to think of any team, big or small, that would live with the following front six over 90 minutes.
————————Fred—————————
————————————Pogba————
—————Bruno———————————
————————Martial———————
Mason/Dan———————Rashford
Sancho could take another 2-3 seasons to acclimate to PL. And Martial is injury prone striker also.
True, but their style of football and their formation is different. Firminho is better than Martial, let's be honest. And Mane/Salah are still comfortably better as Rashford. They happen to have two of the best inside forwards in the world, aside from Messi. We meanwhile would have potential stars, of course, but still missing an established banker for goals.
A striker like say, Cavani for example, wouldn't need to start all games but be there for unlocking teams which defend deep. If Ighalo was made permanent that's something too. It offers something different because pace and trickery won't do it alone. Martial and Rashford are brilliant on their day but lack the consistency needed to be ruthless.
The Premier League will likely be fiercely competitive from the next campaign. Liverpool don't much look like burning out just yet, City will revamp their defence, rest assured. I think we will definately need an established plan B to be the difference in a title challenge.
I think Lukaku hampered us because his style of play just wasn't suited to us. And Ighalo wasn't on your list?
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I think Ighalo is sufficient. And I don’t agree that Firmino is better than Martial anyway, he’s massively overrated, and more an example of the ‘inconsistent’ players this place loves to go on about than many of ours. Fortunately for him, he’s part of a very good team, so when he does show up and contribute, he’s praised for all good he does, and when he doesn’t, well someone else simply does so it matters little. I see many football matches pass him by, and he goes months without scoring at times. But that’s a different argument of course!
Ah, sorry. If we don't keep him then yes we would want a replacement of similar ilk.
Firminho hit some prolonged bad form as the season just paused, for the first time really in about 2-3 seasons. He is a superb player and I disagree with the bold bit, because Liveprool's form dipped around the same time, which less than coincidental. His general play, his work rate and decision making is superior to Martial's but tha'ts for a separate discussion in a different thread. Even if we were to call them even as players, Salah and Mane are just on another level to Rashford on top.
Fair enough, opinions and all that. Although I’m also not sure I agree regarding Rashford (sorry!). I do acknowledge he only really changed gears this season, so some may find it hard to call that form his level - but I think he has just entered that category where he was as good as any wide forward in the league before his injury. He’s also 22 and has years on the other two, so I’d expect him to sustain and improve that form going forward, although of course, we haven’t seen this yet, so fair to put the Liverpool guys ahead for now.
I have never understood this either. There is mistake leading directly to goals and there are mistakes made in areas where the team has ample time and opportunities to defend the goal conceded. I've always said that I can understand "fans" not liking Pogba and wanting him sold but at least they should be fair in their assessment of him.
Labile.
Why have you put fans in quotations, as to suggest you're not a real fan if you prefer to sell Pogba?
If he does truly want to leave but can't find a club that will pay the huge fee he'll just stay here for another season without signing a new contract. After that season we'll then have to lower the asking price quite significantly or lose him for completely free the following season.
It's going to be interesting to see what happens. Does he sign a new contract and make it probably he'll stay here for quite a few seasons to come; does he stay without signing a new contract and leave the following season (or give himself 12 months to see if we're going to do well enough that he should then sign a new contract); or do we sell him at the end of this season however it finishes.
We have the option to extend it for another year.
Yes, which is why he would have two seasons after this one (19-20) finishes and is probably the last time we can demand top price. If no-one is willing to match that price Pogba would stay for another season and then we'd almost certainly accept a lower price at the end of next season (20-21) as he'd only have one season left on his contract and we wouldn't want to lose him for nothing.
Of course, that's if we were in normal times. With the virus and quarantines and everything it kind of throws everything into chaos.
No, I don't consider as fans people who create fake narratives and/or believe false stories regarding our players. Like all those fecking idiots who were saying he wasn't really injured, that he was faking it. Those cnuts aren't fans.
OK - sounded initially as though you were suggesting that anyone not liking Pogba and wanted him sold aren't real fans.
Had misread
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There were quite a few of those on here.
You need to practice your reading comprehension if that’s your conclusion.
Not really. Rashford had 19 goals by mid January this season from the left. Martial on pace to pass 20. Sancho is good for 15. Bruno Fernandes is good for 15+. Pogba good for 10-15. Just because there isnt one focal point scorer doesnt mean it wont work. And besides, Martial is an established forward. Not an out and out 9, but definitely a forward. And Rashford a wide forward. We just need depth to cover/change, like we have now in Ighalo.
Firmino hasn't even scored at home in the league this season, imagine if that was Martial? he's got by with his famous "hard work" and shiny teeth.
At 1 point Martial/Rashford and Greenwood had outscored Mane, Salah and Firmino which shows a lot!. We've not had too many problems scoring this year it was just keeping clean sheets. Once we got that sorted we've gone on a fantastic run.
Firmino is a con artist.
No worries, everyone is entitled to like or dislike any player. As long as we stay within a realm of common sense.
It was embarassing. Before the whole coronavirus thing, I wouldn't have minded if we sold him for a high fee and used that money to improve the team, even if I like him as a player very much. Now things have changed.
Yeah, to each their own. These insane conspiracy theories involving our own player(s) I’ve no patience for. I’ve always thought the best way to become a better team is to replace our worse players, not our best. Looking forward to watching Pogba play with this team
That's the logical thinking but some think it is all hunky dory because Bruno is here, meaning we have replaced Paul. They are forgetting that once teams start targeting Bruno, we will have the same issues of 1 creative outlet and reduced functionality. We need them both. I would be interested in trying France strategy during the world cup. Have Pogba in CM alongside Fred, Bruno in the Griezmann role, Martial 9 position, Rashford LWF and Matic on the RWYeah, to each their own. These insane conspiracy theories involving our own player(s) I’ve no patience for. I’ve always thought the best way to become a better team is to replace our worse players, not our best. Looking forward to watching Pogba play with this team
Also, Bruno will not play every game, so if he gets injured, what do we do? I was totally with you on that, until I saw Matic as a RW! A little slip I assume?That's the logical thinking but some think it is all hunky dory because Bruno is here, meaning we have replaced Paul. They are forgetting that once teams start targeting Bruno, we will have the same issues of 1 creative outlet and reduced functionality. We need them both. I would be interested in trying France strategy during the world cup. Have Pogba in CM alongside Fred, Bruno in the Griezmann role, Martial 9 position, Rashford LWF and Matic on the RW
Nope. He will play the Matuidi roleAlso, Bruno will not play every game, so if he gets injured, what do we do? I was totally with you on that, until I saw Matic as a RW! A little slip I assume?
Good man, haven’t you heard? Sancho will play the Sancho roleNope. He will play the Matuidi role
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