SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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A security guard is shot and killed after telling customer to put on a face mask

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/04/us/michigan-security-guard-mask-killing-trnd/index.html

Wow.
Two suspects still on the run, should be found soon though.
https://www.abc12.com/content/news/...y-guard-over-face-mask-dispute-570178991.html

Problem these days getting into any kind of argument or altercation is people are ready stab or shoot you, throw their life away and end yours over nothing.
 

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That's an absolute sickening story. Why do US stores even have security guards anymore? To stop old ladies from shop lifting? That's about all they should risk, and even then the old lady might have a heavy waiting outside to shoot you.

These people should get the death sentence, screw life in prison.
 

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That's an absolute sickening story. Why do US stores even have security guards anymore? To stop old ladies from shop lifting? That's about all they should risk, and even then the old lady might have a heavy waiting outside to shoot you.

These people should get the death sentence, screw life in prison.
If the other people had guns, he wouldn't have got shot
 

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If the other people had guns, he wouldn't have got shot
I'm almost thinking malls have come to a point where they will need snipers at various points to take out possible gunmen (because you can't ban them from bringing guns into the mall, 2nd amendment innit). Then watch as a dad gets blown away for taking his son's toy gun out of a bag. Once upon a time in America. :rolleyes:
 

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I'm almost thinking malls have come to a point where they will need snipers at various points to take out possible gunmen (because you can't ban them from bringing guns into the mall, 2nd amendment innit). Then watch as a dad gets blown away for taking his son's toy gun out of a bag. Once upon a time in America. :rolleyes:
If the dad had a gun... Oh wait
 

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Anyone knows what is happening in Russia and Brazil? Have they changed their testing policies or are they getting oubreaks?
Not seen much news on Brazil but Russia looks screwed with the updates I got before. (Edit. on a news app I'm not a Putin ITK or anything)
 

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I'm almost thinking malls have come to a point where they will need snipers at various points to take out possible gunmen (because you can't ban them from bringing guns into the mall, 2nd amendment innit). Then watch as a dad gets blown away for taking his son's toy gun out of a bag. Once upon a time in America. :rolleyes:
Do you live in America mate ? I always thought when I was a kid that America was just a bigger version of the UK but things like this show that it's a completely different world over there, don't get me wrong there's plenty of crazy shit that goes on around here but I'm not sure it goes as far as someone taking a gun to the local Asda to pop off any security guards.
 

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Jesus wept i never realized prof Ferguson's modelling/ prediction record was so tragic. For context this were his and his college's predictions on previous epidemic's/pandemic's.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/six-questions-that-neil-ferguson-should-be-asked

Am i missing something? How the fecking hell is that guy still in a job let alone being trusted to help make decisions that will shape this country for generations.
 

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Jesus wept i never realized prof Ferguson's modelling/ prediction record was so tragic. For context this were his and his college's predictions on previous epidemic's/pandemic's.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/six-questions-that-neil-ferguson-should-be-asked

Am i missing something? How the fecking hell is that guy still in a job let alone being trusted to help make decisions that will shape this country for generations.
Looks like a hatchet job by right wingers trying to reduce restrictions too early - it is in The Spectator which is a bit of a giveaway.

And I'm not sure their gossip columnist writing this gives it much scientific credibility.
 

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Probably already been posted but this is terrible, doctors only doing their jobs Being killed.
 

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Jesus wept i never realized prof Ferguson's modelling/ prediction record was so tragic. For context this were his and his college's predictions on previous epidemic's/pandemic's.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/six-questions-that-neil-ferguson-should-be-asked

Am i missing something? How the fecking hell is that guy still in a job let alone being trusted to help make decisions that will shape this country for generations.
If that is the best a hatchet job can do, I don’t see anything too damning there. In situations like this, only very minor things need to slightly shift to have very different outcomes. There’s a world in which this coronavirus never left China, and there’s another world in which we were hit even worse than we are now. What lay people often struggle to appreciate is that whilst we may ordinarily deal with exact figures and exact predictions, modellers and statisticians deal with confidence interval ranges. Just because a modellers’s worst outcome in their confidence interval doesn’t come to pass, doesn’t mean they were wrong as such.
 

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A tale of two cities: how New York police enforce social distancing by the color of your skin
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/04/coronavirus-new-york-police-enforce-social-distancing

The footage that led up to the photo on the left is unbelievable. Cops getting right up in someone’s face for not social distancing. Then almost immediately escalating to a violent struggle with a scrum of cops involved. Making absolutely certain that if any individual involved did have the virus to begin with, they all do afterwards.

Puts the moaning of libertarian twats in the Uk and Ireland into perspective.
 

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Do you live in America mate ? I always thought when I was a kid that America was just a bigger version of the UK but things like this show that it's a completely different world over there, don't get me wrong there's plenty of crazy shit that goes on around here but I'm not sure it goes as far as someone taking a gun to the local Asda to pop off any security guards.
America is a completely different place to here - culture and society is entirely different. The only thing we really have in common is some shared history, the language and that's about it.
 

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Hopefully the UK lockdown gets extended longer.

I have a horrible feeling that the government will bow to public pressure, open everything back up too soon and inadvertently create an even worse second wave.

On a side note, they can feck off if they think I’m sending my son back to school next month.

Summer holidays usually start in mid July so just write the rest of the year off and let them all return in September.
 

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America is a completely different place to here - culture and society is entirely different. The only thing we really have in common is some shared history, the language and that's about it.
If we had an extra 150 m people plus legalised guns, you’ll find there’s not much difference!
 

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Dont know if it is talked about before but they found a case from 27:e december in France. Seems like they were cases, but not a spread, many places before we knew about the virus at all.

https://www.francetvinfo.fr/sante/m...reanimation-de-seine-saint-denis_3946867.html
Its becoming more apparent that Covid-19 was around before the Chinese announcement in January. They knew long before they locked down and let it out of the country. It just seems so obvious yet people defend this unforgivable mistake.

I've heard many callers on LBC complaining of Covid-19 symptoms before Christmas. Some of them are kranks but not all of them. There were offices in London where whole floors were infected. We'll see as more information comes out but there already seems to be plenty of evidence supporting the claim that China let this virus spread unnecessarily.

Whats going on in the States is very concerning. They seem to have a cultural problem with dealing with this. If these new projections of the death rate transpire to be true the country could easily spiral out of control. There is a very strong conviction that they need to get back to work to save the economy and their personal freedoms. It seems to have become so strong that they are prepared to risk very high casualty rates. Maybe this is a regional problem but there will be interstate travel and the spread will continue. There is potential for an unprecedented humanitarian crisis and they seem unable to legislate for it as a country.
 

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Yeah but we dont..... Plus we don't want to have guns here in the most part - that's a big difference.
You are right, but we’re the same nation who after laughing at Trump thought it was ok to elect a bigot Boris Johnson so.....
 

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Its becoming more apparent that Covid-19 was around before the Chinese announcement in January. They knew long before they locked down and let it out of the country. It just seems so obvious yet people defend this unforgivable mistake.

I've heard many callers on LBC complaining of Covid-19 symptoms before Christmas. Some of them are kranks but not all of them. There were offices in London where whole floors were infected. We'll see as more information comes out but there already seems to be plenty of evidence supporting the claim that China let this virus spread unnecessarily.

Whats going on in the States is very concerning. They seem to have a cultural problem with dealing with this. If these new projections of the death rate transpire to be true the country could easily spiral out of control. There is a very strong conviction that they need to get back to work to save the economy and their personal freedoms. It seems to have become so strong that they are prepared to risk very high casualty rates. Maybe this is a regional problem but there will be interstate travel and the spread will continue. There is potential for an unprecedented humanitarian crisis and they seem unable to legislate for it as a country.
It's not only apparent, it's also official and it has been for almost two months. Retrospectively the first official case in China was in early December but they believe that the actual first case was in November.
 

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Its becoming more apparent that Covid-19 was around before the Chinese announcement in January. They knew long before they locked down and let it out of the country. It just seems so obvious yet people defend this unforgivable mistake.

I've heard many callers on LBC complaining of Covid-19 symptoms before Christmas. Some of them are kranks but not all of them. There were offices in London where whole floors were infected. We'll see as more information comes out but there already seems to be plenty of evidence supporting the claim that China let this virus spread unnecessarily.

Whats going on in the States is very concerning. They seem to have a cultural problem with dealing with this. If these new projections of the death rate transpire to be true the country could easily spiral out of control. There is a very strong conviction that they need to get back to work to save the economy and their personal freedoms. It seems to have become so strong that they are prepared to risk very high casualty rates. Maybe this is a regional problem but there will be interstate travel and the spread will continue. There is potential for an unprecedented humanitarian crisis and they seem unable to legislate for it as a country.
I think that's the key thing - the culture in America is all about personal freedom and the 'I'm alright Jack' way of thinking - so a lot of people there just won't buy into the thought that 'we are all in this together' and see the need for society as a whole to be restricted to protect the vulnerable. This is a culture that generally looks down on the vulnerable and the poor and offer little in the way of societal support to those people with or without a virus. You would hope that COVID might change the way they think over there but I suspect it won't as a lot of people see any move to lessen their supposed freedom as an act of war and socialism. Hense why you get psycho's in full military gear and automatic weapons threatening people - they honestly think they are in a war against their own Government. The paranoia ingrained in the culture there is incredible.
 
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It's not only apparent, it's also official and it has been for almost two months. Retrospectively the first official case in China was in early December but they believe that the actual first case was in November.
Purely wishful thinking but could it be possible that the outbreaks that we're dealing with now, are pretty close to the true uncontained 'peaks' of this disease?
 

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You are right, but we’re the same nation who after laughing at Trump thought it was ok to elect a bigot Boris Johnson so.....
We are both right leaning countries and are free to elect total morons - doesnt mean that we are in anyway the same outside of that. I really do think America is a very different place to the UK.
 

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There's been interesting development with regards to antibody tests
https://www.roche.com/media/releases/med-cor-2020-05-03.htm

Roche mentioning theirs have specificity and sensitivity of nearly 100% each (14 days post-PCR)!
Which I've been conditioned with all the badness that has come out of COVID to be firmly in the "too good to be true category" but looking forward to its evaluation.

Apparently its been evaluated by Public Health England with initial results expected by the end of the week with aim to start role out mid-May onwards. FDA are looking at it to. Definitely something to watch out for.

Claims are that serological screening machines (called MosaiQ) which have European regulatory approval each can test up to 3000 per day with results in 35 minutes and with 12 machines ready that would be around 250000/week if its works, more here
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52529294
 

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There's been interesting development with regards to antibody tests
https://www.roche.com/media/releases/med-cor-2020-05-03.htm

Roche mentioning theirs have specificity and sensitivity of nearly 100% each (14 days post-PCR)!
Which I've been conditioned with all the badness that has come out of COVID to be firmly in the "too good to be true category" but looking forward to its evaluation.

Apparently its been evaluated by Public Health England with initial results expected by the end of the week with aim to start role out mid-May onwards. FDA are looking at it to. Definitely something to watch out for.

Claims are that serological screening machines (called MosaiQ) which have European regulatory approval each can test up to 3000 per day with results in 35 minutes and with 12 machines ready that would be around 250000/week if its works, more here
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52529294
That is potentially excellent news however what we really need to know is whether having antibody's means you are unable to get the virus again and if so for how long? Unfortunately we probably won't know that for many months yet.
 

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I keep seeing news articles about full flights.

Where are these people going and why? Everything is shut.
 

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Purely wishful thinking but could it be possible that the outbreaks that we're dealing with now, are pretty close to the true uncontained 'peaks' of this disease?
I would say no because things were getting out of hand until we used drastic measures to contain it. Without any proof, I would suspect that the virus evolved from November to February, that the chinese imported version is maybe not as contagious as the European settled version. I also want to make the point that the vase majority of people with symptoms that match with Covid-19 do not have it, it also matches with flu symptoms which can also lead to respiratory difficulties.
 

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Yeah but we dont..... Plus we don't want to have guns here in the most part - that's a big difference.
As I understand it is the US constitution which allows people to carry guns? (sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong).

My American friends tell me that Ironically the founding fathers had the idea that if individuals could be legally armed they could defend themselves and so prevent any future government of the people for the people, getting too big for their boots? The British in their wisdom ensured by their unwritten constitution (precedent) that there was no way an individual within the population can be legally armed, unless he's a landowner, or a titled member of the aristocracy.

Each believes they got it right?
 

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That is potentially excellent news however what we really need to know is whether having antibody's means you are unable to get the virus again and if so for how long? Unfortunately we probably won't know that for many months yet.
Sure, en masse testing coupled with well defined clinical endpoints and working with patients to regularly re-swab for COVID or to check for re-infection via their pathology/hospital records would be the way forward.
With ease of lockdown anticipated and potentially an expected uptick in COVID community transmission should I'd imagine make for evaluating antibody tests and vaccines a tad easier due to increased R naught.
 

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I keep seeing news articles about full flights.

Where are these people going and why? Everything is shut.
A lot of work and business is still happening. People commuting to and from Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a thing.