SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Wasn’t the early 5G rollout in the US (pre virus) associated with a lot of anti Chinese sentiment? I remember Trump being an asshole about the Uk going ahead with it, while it was stalled in the US.

That was a legitimate fear. Letting a foreign company with very close ties to an authoritarian enemy government build your mobile data network is pretty fecking stupid.
 
Thanks, mate. :)
Could it be, though, that organisations specialising in 4G & other tech might prefer the current status quo to remain?
The issue started when China basically won the 5G race against the West and a lot of Western countries chose to work with China and implement their infrastructure, instead of waiting for a Western equivalent coming from the US or another top Western country.

At least those are my observations on the matter.
 
Wasn’t the early 5G rollout in the US (pre virus) associated with a lot of anti Chinese sentiment? I remember Trump being an asshole about the Uk going ahead with it, while it was stalled in the US. Don’t think there was any corporation behind the scepticism. Just the US being protectionist and obstructive about Chinese tech.

Now that you mention it, Huawei is the leader in 5G technology if I'm not mistaken and the negative press around it seemed to have gained pace around the time of the US-China feud.
 
That was a legitimate fear. Letting a foreign company with very close ties to an authoritarian enemy government build your mobile data network is pretty fecking stupid.

Was the foreign company actually building the network though? I thought they invented the tech but were reliant on other telcom companies to adapt their networks to the new specs? Miles outside my area of expertise here!
 
Makes me wonder, then, why the UK government is so keen to adopt Huawei's 5G tech, especially when that same government is trying to keep America sweet (in light of Brexit trade deals)...
 
Thanks, mate. :)
Could it be, though, that organisations specialising in 4G & other tech might prefer the current status quo to remain?

There might be a slight cost benefit to the status quo; however, nothing is better than upgrading your tech so you can charge customers more.

There's also the risk that a competitor will upgrade and win your existing clients with better service, making a desire to retain the current setup unlikely.
 
Makes me wonder, then, why the UK government is so keen to adopt Huawei's 5G tech, especially when that same government is trying to keep America sweet (in light of Brexit trade deals)...
Cheaper for the telecoms, I presume.
 
Was the foreign company actually building the network though? I thought they invented the tech but were reliant on other telcom companies to adapt their networks to the new specs? Miles outside my area of expertise here!

As far as I know, Huawei at least supplies the main bits of infrastructure. That's pretty risky considering what we know about how smartphones and apps can be exploited. I'd imagine they'd be able to take over a nation's entire network if they wanted and at the very least siphon off whatever data they wanted at any time.
 
Makes me wonder, then, why the UK government is so keen to adopt Huawei's 5G tech, especially when that same government is trying to keep America sweet (in light of Brexit trade deals)...

Because realistically, a relatively small country like the UK can't put all his eggs in the same basket, particular when the US basket is full of snakes.
 
As far as I know, Huawei at least supplies the main bits of infrastructure. That's pretty risky considering what we know about how smartphones and apps can be exploited. I'd imagine they'd be able to take over a nation's entire network if they wanted and at the very least siphon off whatever data they wanted at any time.

They are already able to do that though and funnily enough the US routinely tell us that they know everything that is happening in foreign countries.
 
They are already able to do that though and funnily enough the US routinely tell us that they know everything that is happening in foreign countries.

Yeah, I'm surprised countries even entertained that idea of letting Huawei build their networks.
 


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This has confused me. The UK is now firmly up there with Italy and Spain but still so many people are out and about and not taking it seriously and claims of hoaxes and overreactions are not exactly uncommon either. In Italy and Spain you'd have to search far into the backpages to find any dissenting view of the lockdowns, if it was ever printed in the first place. I had thought when thousands started dying the UK would wake up too.
No, the nation that queues and plays the game does seem to have more selfish shitheads in it's ranks as well. I blame Thatcher.
 
Yeah, I'm surprised countries even entertained that idea of letting Huawei build their networks.

I should go in your direction though, spying is a genuine concern but human intelligence is so prevalent that sometimes I suspect that these type of openly expressed concerns are for show and to manipulate the masses. In terms of technology, the US and all "major" nations trust no one and are worried about all external sources and even some internal ones. I don't think that the US intelligence has more trust in Qualcomm than they have in Huawei.
 
We're just about to go out of the village for the first time in 2 months. We have a valid reason, necessary vet visit. I've got all our paperwork ready as no doubt we'll get stopped!
 



Maybe Sophia's parents forgot to inform her about Tory spending on children and young people's services that has been cut by nearly £1bn in six years.
Or that council funding for women's refuges has been cut by nearly £7m since 2010. Then there's the cost of childcare and nurseries....et-fecking-cetera
And soon we'll have the highest death rate in Europe. Yes, well done Boris you fat, idle cnut.
 
Wasn't sure where to post this but I thought it was an interesting watch. Basically the UK government's decision to cover wages for employers is going to allow small/medium businesses to continue for the most part when the lock down ends.

That won't be the case in the US because some of those businesses won't be around by the time they receive any help from the government.

 


grim stuff

Wonder would the government be looking at the excess deaths of those receiving state pension and roughly calculating the saving on that vs the money spent on furlough etc.

Its grim but id imagine theyd have to
 
Maybe Sophia's parents forgot to inform her about Tory spending on children and young people's services that has been cut by nearly £1bn in six years.
Or that council funding for women's refuges has been cut by nearly £7m since 2010. Then there's the cost of childcare and nurseries....et-fecking-cetera
And soon we'll have the highest death rate in Europe. Yes, well done Boris you fat, idle cnut.
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Well said.

Wonder would the government be looking at the excess deaths of those receiving state pension and roughly calculating the saving on that vs the money spent on furlough etc.

Its grim but id imagine theyd have to
The olds couldn't be happier with the government at the moment,


 
Wasn't sure where to post this but I thought it was an interesting watch. Basically the UK government's decision to cover wages for employers is going to allow small/medium businesses to continue for the most part when the lock down ends.

That won't be the case in the US because some of those businesses won't be around by the time they receive any help from the government.


Ive said this a few times but what the government done here regarding financial help was unbelievable tbh.
 
Updated graph of deaths in England by day of death. 546 deaths announced today, 232 fewer than this time last week. Decline seems to be pretty steady.

Orange is a 5 day trailing average. Last 5-7 days will see large to moderate upward changes:
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Updated graph of hospital deaths in England by day of death. 366 deaths announced today, 180 fewer than this time last week. The slide in deaths seems remarkably consistent.

Orange is a 5 day trailing average. Last 5-7 days will see large to moderate upward changes:
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Too early to be confident we're past 500-600 daily death tolls (for next few months anyway)?
 
Too early to be confident we're past 500-600 daily death tolls (for next few months anyway)?

Depends how many deaths occur outside of hospitals. You'd expect a bit of a bump today in order to cover the under reporting from the weekend so it might creep above 500 for the UK as a whole. We're definitely skipping down the mountainside though.

What happens in the future depends on our own actions as much as anything. Like if opening up sufficiently raises the infection rate we might be right back to early April figures come mid June. Hopefully not, but could happen.
 
There is a NHS colorectal surgeon who's posted on youtube regurgitated some bullshit about covid being a hoax, he's already been reported to the GMC which saved me the trouble of doing so, I did flag up the youtube video as dangerous content but its still up there so far.

A big part of it is that taking down these videos and deplatforming them feeds into conspiracy theorists more but I do believe that their views are dangerous and shouldn't be propagated

Fortunately I have challenged all my friends and family on social media and in real life with evidence of debunking to popular claims
Things like covid is a hoax, covid is manmade/lab generated, cures, 5G links have all been thoroughly debunked. I don't argue with people online too much but in real life I have found that those who share whatsapp messages or regurgitate them are amenable to being corrected on covid.

Being a doctor a lot of family members have approached me (sincerely) asking questions to things they've heard on whatsapp etc. Rather than dismissing them as gullible etc I do now take a more empathetic route to talk them through it.

I think critical thinking with regards to pseudoscience is a skill we have to somehow look into incorporating into society a lot more.

Government is trying to shut him up for telling the truth!!!! We have to save him!!!

There's this perception that all tin foil hatters have that believing in that crap is evidence that you 'think independently' without having governments tell you what to think. I really can't wrap my head around how they are coming to those conclusions, must be some need for sense of superiority. Agreed about final part - people are so gullible and seem to not realize that believing in YouTube videos isn't the right way to go. 'HOW CAN YOU BELIEVE TELEVISION AND FAKE NEWS WHEN TRUTH IS OUT THERE ON YOUTUBE'.
 
I should go in your direction though, spying is a genuine concern but human intelligence is so prevalent that sometimes I suspect that these type of openly expressed concerns are for show and to manipulate the masses. In terms of technology, the US and all "major" nations trust no one and are worried about all external sources and even some internal ones. I don't think that the US intelligence has more trust in Qualcomm than they have in Huawei.

You think? Qualcomm is headquartered in the US. I'd say the US government trusts them a while lot more than Huawei.
 
You think? Qualcomm is headquartered in the US. I'd say the US government trusts them a while lot more than Huawei.
Yeah, I'm sure the government and all the different agencies have official or unofficial contacts with such domestic organisations, as they can definitely be seen as part of the vital structures to national security.
 
First findings from our nation wide testing study have been briefed to the media. Someone on Reddit has explained in a significantly better way that I ever could so I'll just post the link.



On a related note we've no new confirmed cases over the weekend (less testing) and 6 on Monday (all from the same nursing home). Our peak ICU capacity reached so far was at 35 %.
 
So the UK now has the second highest death rate in the world for covid19. Absolutely shocking.
 
So the UK now has the second highest death rate in the world for covid19. Absolutely shocking.
And yet I see feck all on the media or news there about how bad it is, even on the BBC it's barely mentioned. Yet when Italy and Spain were at their peak all your saw was stories about the horror over there. Shocking.
 
As far as I know, Huawei at least supplies the main bits of infrastructure. That's pretty risky considering what we know about how smartphones and apps can be exploited. I'd imagine they'd be able to take over a nation's entire network if they wanted and at the very least siphon off whatever data they wanted at any time.
I'm a telecommunications engineer working on the decommission side of 2G, 3G and occasionally on the new 5G rollout. Huawei have been manufacturing the majority of equipment for every network provider since 4G. They have equipment all over the UK already and have done for almost a decade.
 
You think? Qualcomm is headquartered in the US. I'd say the US government trusts them a while lot more than Huawei.

I do. They most likely have people inside that they trust, they most likely have people inside Huawei that they trust but they don't trust these organizations as a whole.
 
And yet I see feck all on the media or news there about how bad it is, even on the BBC it's barely mentioned. Yet when Italy and Spain were at their peak all your saw was stories about the horror over there. Shocking.

I’ve checked BBC and Sky News and neither is mentioning that the death toll is now at over 32,000. It just seems to be the The Telegraph and Guardian reporting it. Very strange.
 
WHO urges countries to investigate possible early Covid-19 cases after French study
The World Health Organization has said a study by Frenchscientists which suggests a man was infected with Covid-19 as early as 27 December was “not surprising”, and urged countries to investigate any other early suspicious cases.