Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th

[Sandikan]

The obvious difficulty was always how and when any games are going to be played. The FA have this vague idea that it "will be fine" soon, so cracked on.

Now we're seeing arguably the even greater issues starting in earnest, the clubs rebelling.

We're hearing soundbites of players not wanting to play and a few clubs saying that's fine.
Now what happens if 5-6 clubs band together and say they refuse to play? You can't relegate them all.

For most, there are two principles of a league - everyone plays everyone home and away, and all positions are declared at the end of the season.

They loosened this a bit for Tottenham last year, messing about between two grounds, but to loosen it to the extend they are talking is really stretching things.
And that's if we even can play it out, which is looking less possible by the week.

Then the idea of champions but no other positions declared? Bonkers.

 

[laughtersassassin]

Yes you would like to think that the PL will see a likely defeat for neutral venues and would have the next options (if there are any) lined up ready for more voting. But to be honest I think it may get taken out of their hands tomorrow. If the govt don't ease restrictions then it will be too late to meet UEFA's deadline.

Like honestly I want it finished so we can try get CL but if it isn't safe its isn't safe. And right now I don't think it's safe enough. England are nowhere near Germany in this.

But in a case it is not finished I see two options.

1. If you award the title you have to relegate 3 teams. After all it is the opposite side of the same coin. Can't give out a title and not relegate anyone.

2. Void it.

They really are the only choices but despite the suggestions in here delaying it and basically having to scrap next season will cost too much money and won't be worth it overall.

And yes there is no guarantee next season can go ahead as planned but it has to be assumed that it can until otherwise known.

 

[Dancfc]

I have to admit I'm slightly going off the idea of playing out the season.

In such a rush at neutral stadiums would feel off. My preference would be take our time and play it out when fully safe (even if it's October or something) as I'm not really fixated on the August-May tight schedule as everyone else but there's already a deadline set so that's a no go.

Hopefully we can find a way to sort European qualification out (if there's Europe next season) within the current table because Leicester and Sheffield United deserve it.

Hopefully when it is brought back BCD the sound systems are used at stadium's to give some sort of aura of a crowd/atmosphere. Watching the game in South Korea yesterday it worked a lot better than I expected and was a much better watch than when there's no sound bar the players and coaches shouting.

Of course it's no substitute for an actual crowd but will have to do as a sticky plaster solution until people are allowed back.

 

[Sandikan]

If I had to bet on how it pans out, i'd be fairly sure on 4 of these, but still amazed if they don't relegate anyone.

No chance of playing this season out.
Liverpool awarded the league
No Europe next season anyway, so the PPG for euro spots is irrelevant anyway
The FA will bottle the relegation issue and not do any
Promote 3 clubs - making it a really warped division.

 

[MsNuno]

Ofcourse, but no one know how results will pan out. Plus, correct me if I'm wrong, but you guys are slow starters

This season we were slow, it’s different circumstances though our season started in July and took a while to adjust to Thursday/Sunday whereas if the season gets going we’d only have the league games, we’ve never had any thing like this to compare..

 

[laughtersassassin]

If I had to bet on how it pans out, i'd be fairly sure on 4 of these, but still amazed if they don't relegate anyone.

No chance of playing this season out.
Liverpool awarded the league
No Europe next season anyway, so the PPG for euro spots is irrelevant anyway
The FA will bottle the relegation issue and not do any
Promote 3 clubs - making it a really warped division.

That would be a joke. If someone wins the title then teams have to releagted, simple as.

 

[djembatheking]

It looks like the only answer is to void it all , no relegation , no final positions at the top end . It would be extremely harsh to relegate a team after only playing 3/4 of a season and if positions are void at the bottom then it is only fair to void the rest of the league. No big deal really just go again from scratch next year.

 

[Fox_Chrys]

No professional league will void ? The Dutch already have ?

they abandoned, they didn't void.

 

[arnie_ni]

they abandoned, they didn't void.

Your arguing semantics.

 

[horsechoker]

Just end it, end football. Erase every single game, every goal, every team. Let's just start it again from scratch.

 

[redshaw]

Terms should be cancel or abandon like the dutch have and keep all the records like goal scorers etc. When people look up 19/20 season they should see and count what happened in a players career. Void and null and void means it's all erased which is not the right thing to do. Dutchies have simply said no winner or relegation can be declared, end of.

If this season is to be played I'd rather they just play the games at each others stadiums, non of this neutral stuff. There's room to start in July, UK situation should be much better then.

 

[Mrs Smoker]

They should finish it whenever, we can wait. I wouldn't mind if it's the only football season to have 2 boxing day...days.

 

[Sandikan]

We're going round in circles with some of these posts.

We have to realise there will be no voiding or abandoning.
They won't even do that in leagues 1&2, so there's no chance in the premier.

 

[Tel074]

a month or so ago (seems like ages now), there was a banner post (Niall?) saying if Liverpool win the league, most LFC posters are getting binned from the Caf.

every cloud eh?

I'd never even dream of going on another teams forum and definitely not the dippers forum .

they abandoned, they didn't void.

You can dress it up and call it Susan if you want . It was voided / abandoned or whatever other word you want to invent

 

[dwd]

a month or so ago (seems like ages now), there was a banner post (Niall?) saying if Liverpool win the league, most LFC posters are getting binned from the Caf.

every cloud eh?

Their accounts will be nulled and voided I believe.

 

[Tel074]

Your arguing semantics.

Honestly his comment made me die a little and he's not even a dipper fan . Unbelievable some of the idiots in this world

 

[Dumbstar]

Don’t think people got the reference judging by the serious responses.

but I was also being serious so appreciated the serious, if unsurprisingly utterly biased, responses.

 

[groovyalbert]

If they can't agree then I imagine the TV money will be lost or at least there will need to be a negotiation but perhaps more importantly what will happen with relegation? The PL have agreements with the EFL and FA which need to be honoured (3 up 3 down).

It won't happen, but I'd be keen to scrap relegation this season, hand you the title, then have a mini playoff for top 4 amongst the teams still able to qualify for Europe. Basically call the league as is then treat this mini period as a playoff.

Like I said, it won't happen but would mean less games and easier to arrange on paper.

 

[arnie_ni]

The FA Cup coming back now would be better than the PL. If they are to be weird atmospheres behind closed doors, better they're suspenseful sudden death games

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[Greck]

Honestly his comment made me die a little and he's not even a dipper fan . Unbelievable some of the idiots in this world

Tbf voiding the season and ending it aren't the same. Voiding ends the season with the major distinction being that the entire table is discarded. The season is a null. By contrast If we cancel the season and decided the champions and who gets relegated with the present table then the season isn't voided. The nomenclature may not be important here on a casual discussion forum but in an FA meeting you wouldn't want to use one in place of the other. So relegation teams wouldnt just want the season ended/cancelled/wound up/annulled/insert similar synonym, they'd also want it voided

 

[Fox_Chrys]

Just read it a couple times to make sure but can’t see anything remotely shocking in what he says? Of course the integrity has gone. We all know that already.

I think this has reached a point where these teams in threat of relegation except maybe Norwich who might see it as an opportunity, are going to play the line "unless we play under same conditions as before we want no relegation", since we know the EPL cannot do that, they effectively pushing for flat out relegation cancellation. I think compromise needs to be made and they are been unreasonable.

 

[Tel074]

Tbf voiding the season and ending it aren't the same. Voiding ends the season with the major distinction being that the entire table is discarded. The season is a null. By contrast If we cancel the season and decided the champions and who gets relegated with the present table then the season isn't voided. The nomenclature may not be important here on a casual discussion forum but in an FA meeting you wouldn't want to use one in place of the other. So relegation teams wouldnt just want the season ended/cancelled/wound up they'd want it voided

The Dutch have no champion.

 

[MDFC Manager]

The FA Cup coming back now would be better than the PL. If they are to be weird atmospheres behind closed doors, better they're suspenseful sudden death games

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English translation please?

 

[arnie_ni]

English translation please?

Trial run the fa cup an neutral venues behind closed doors before pushing the league on teams..i think thats where he and howard nurse who replies to him are going with it

 

[Greck]

The Dutch have no champion.

okaay...how does that relate to what I said though? Are you asking if they voided it?

 

[Dumbstar]

The Dutch have no champion.

Because they could not assign it on goal difference. Had the teams been separated on points they would have crowned a champion on PPG. It's been discussed already.

 

[Sandikan]

Trial run the fa cup an neutral venues behind closed doors before pushing the league on teams..i think thats where he and howard nurse who replies to him are going with it

Howard Nurse!
He's just tweeting that there seems to be a bit of drama going on in China!

 

[arnie_ni]

Howard Nurse!
He's just tweeting that there seems to be a bit of drama going on in China!

I dont follow either, i have no idea how it came on my timeline.

Going through MDs recent posts i remember why i unfollowed him in the first place.

 

[Tel074]

okaay...how does that relate to what I said though? Are you asking if they voided it?

I completely agree with what you said and as you stated the season is void if the table is discarded but was the table not discarded in Holland ?

 

[stevoc]

Tbf voiding the season and ending it aren't the same. Voiding ends the season with the major distinction being that the entire table is discarded. The season is a null. By contrast If we cancel the season and decided the champions and who gets relegated with the present table then the season isn't voided. The nomenclature may not be important here on a casual discussion forum but in an FA meeting you wouldn't want to use one in place of the other. So relegation teams wouldnt just want the season ended/cancelled/wound up/annulled/insert similar synonym, they'd also want it voided

Yeah the Dutch didn't declare champions or relegate any teams though.

 

[redshaw]

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Whole squad into 14 day isolation as two players test positive. Bottom of Bundesliga 2 team

 

[dwd]

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Whole squad into 14 day isolation as two players test positive. Bottom of Bundesliga 2 team

Going well so far then. And this is in a country that has far lower cases and a much better response than we (England) had.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

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Whole squad into 14 day isolation as two players test positive. Bottom of Bundesliga 2 team

And this is Germany where the situation is so much better than ours.

It's really looking a tall order to complete this season. PPG will probably be the route we take in PL. I don't think it's fair per say but no way of curtailing the season will be totally fair for everyone. Its one of those situations where there will unfortunately be losers.

 

[Greck]

Yeah the Dutch didn't declare champions or relegate any teams though.

yeah, so?

 

[arnie_ni]

yeah, so?

What do you call cancelling the season with no champions, promotion or relegation?

 

[Greck]

What do you call cancelling the season with no champions, promotion or relegation?

Havent seen the Dutch league official statements but if they completely annulled the season and tables that would be closer to voiding

 

[djembatheking]

It has got to be null and void and I am sure deep down most Liverpool supporters would prefer that as after a 30 year wait surely they would prefer to win it outright than to have it given to them for not quite getting there but getting close. It would be far more satisfying to actually win it next season without any doubts.

 

[Sandikan]

It has got to be null and void and I am sure deep down most Liverpool supporters would prefer that as after a 30 year wait surely they would prefer to win it outright than to have it given to them for not quite getting there but getting close. It would be far more satisfying to actually win it next season without any doubts.

You can't be serious.
No liverpool fan will think like that.

 

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Whole squad into 14 day isolation as two players test positive. Bottom of Bundesliga 2 team

Does that mean that everytime a player gets virus whole squad must go into isolation for 14 days? If they finish season before next year summer I'll be impressed if they follow those rules.

I have now been reading all those rules there will be in German football. Even if german is not my first language. I can't understand how it is going to happen when pretty much every game will be full with breaking rules moments. What happens then? Lost points? Red cards? Quarantine for 14 days? If they are going strictly after their rules it will be silly and wierd watching games.

 

[sullydnl]

I completely agree with what you said and as you stated the season is void if the table is discarded but was the table not discarded in Holland ?

No, it wasn't. The table was finalised, with those final positions being used to determine European places. There just wasn't any champions, relegation or promotions. So Ajax still officially came first, coming first just wasn't enough make them champions.

Whereas when those involved in the PL discussion rule out voiding the league they mean voiding it in its entirety. So nothing that happened in 19/20 would count and the 18/19 table would be the last valid reference point. Which no major league will do.