Really is mad there’s not been anything official regarding this.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
I feel the same. I can’t help it.
Of course golf courses are the first to be allowed to open.
I completely agree. I watched last nights speech and felt it was completely disassociated to what is happening. All the fist banging looked completely out of place and the hastily put together diagrams made no sense (a 5 level traffic light system where we're at 3.5).
There was no decisiveness in what was said; I was comparing it to the Merkel speech a week or so again where she went into minute detail and didn't treat the population as idiots. This situation requires us to know why the decisions are taken, not just the decisions. It feels like the government don't really have a clue which is sadly probably true.
The speech has left nobody knowing what the situation is. People are supposedly going back to work today, but who? Nobody knows. Offices are supposed to have systems to enable this, but were given Sunday night to do it if people are coming back in today. Manufacturers who weren't working are to start again. What happens if they supply the people who are still shut down? We have to wait until Wednesday to go to parks, but work starts today. Why?
I know a lot of this can be worked out by business, individuals but it's awful by the government and is at the moment a bit of a mess.
Definitely, though I do think it's worth considering those with mental health issues who are currently locked up. Or those with recurring illnesses like depression that can be triggered from circumstances like this. I have a few friends who are bipolar who I know are struggling hugely being so confined right now.
In Ireland we've also basically neglected/cancelled a shit-tonne of other medical appointments as a result of this, what will the repercussions be of that? It was announced this morning that no cervical or breast cancer screenings have been done since this began. Our hospitals are actually the emptiest they've been in years.
People also don't like to hear anything to do with economics but our unemployment is at 30% right now, how many businesses will never reopen. How many will lose their jobs and their aspiring careers fecked? This will likely be worse than the 08 recession.
I guess it's hard to find middle ground because we've largely handled it much better than the UK (not difficult) and therefore we never got that surge that was predicted, we never saw hospitals overwhelmed or had stories of health workers suffering mentally. Which is great, and the lockdown as a result was 100% worth it. But now we also have a roadmap that doesn't see businesses like hairdressers open til July, and hospitality til late August. People still can't go further than 5k from their home til June. I do think that's crazy, personally.
I hope some sort of middle ground is found with COVID-19 going forward, I guess we'll see how things go in mainland Europe, because I do think it's be disastrous for people if these lockdowns continue.
Posting this not because I endorse it but just want to hang on to anything vaguely positive (actually my instincts are telling me we’re all a lot more fecked than we know):
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Does anyone actually believe China’s figures that are quoted in that article teaser? US apparently has more deaths than China has cases.
This shouldn't really be here. It should be in the politics thread because these cnuts couldn't run a tap.
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China lockdown was extremely strict, its possible but of course you never know
A lot of stuff is being eased in Denmark throughout the next month. Distance rules going from two to one metres, shopping centres reopening, everyone going back to school, restaurants and bars reopening in the end of this period, sports clubs reopening with certain restrictions (generally there are still restrictions all over, but it's not completely closed anymore). So it sounds like they think we have it under control here.
Personally I think we're opening a lot of stuff in quick succession so it all hinges on schools, business owners etc. putting good systems in place to limit spread. Fingers crossed although I'll probably just stick to limiting social interactions and so on the next while still.
I've suffered with anxiety/depression/mental health issues since my teens - 10+ years. It doesn't go away, I still suffer, I have been driven to suicide before. I've gone through rough patches through this period of lockdown but I don't think we should be swift to lift it. Perspective is key and people with mental health issues still have that. Mental health is very individual and personal, the only person that can really get you out of that negative space is yourself, no matter what your surroundings are it needs to come from yourself primarily to get you out of it. I don't think it is a case of lifting lockdown so people don't trigger mental health problems but it should be a case of ensuring that people in lockdown are given the best mental health support they can to give them avenues of positivity that they can trigger their own support network in themselves and around them. It is possible to exercise still, eat well etc. A lot of what helps the body feel positive can still happen.
Lots will. As I said previously my career is probably fecked and i've missed out on a lot of opportunities. Does that mean my life is over? Of course not. There are still pathways and I still have my life. It also coincides with mental health. Instead of being negative and triggering mental health issues in people by shouting rhetoric like "the economy will crash and we are all doomed" or "your career path is over" or "life will never be the same again" which is wholly negative, we change the framework in which it is posed to people. People are wrapped up in the ideal that if you aren't in your dream job then life is shite or if you don't have as much money as celebrities life is shite etc. We need to make people see that there is a positivity in living in general. Having a life and being able to do any type of work, or seeing friends or family in a park rather than going abroad - we don't need the glamourous lifestyle to be happy. A simple life can be a happy one and it's important we build a mental health sector and advice network that shows and conveys that.
Of course there are people genuinely struggling with lockdown. My aunty is one of them, she’s terribly lonely, has dementia and is calling everyone she knows, inventing little scenarios trying to get us to go over and help. She is just one of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands, maybe more who are genuinely struggling.
There are those however that are just stupid and selfish and want nothing more than to do whatever they want at whatever ultimate cost.
Of course economics are a huge worry, and yes, there will be lots of SME’s that go under. But knowing the world as it is, there will also be space for lots of new SME’s in their place. If anyone thinks this virus and the current situation will suddenly kill all opportunity stone dead they are wrong.
In my view we are already in the middle ground. Not letting the virus rip through society uncontrolled and killing hundreds of thousands while also acknowledging lockdown cannot go on forever, it is finite, that in my view is the middle ground.
This is what bugs me a bit as well, as soon as you question some things or are critical about the approach in the near future, you immediately get called out by some as though you don't care about human life, especially someone like me in their mid-to-late 20s who doesn't belong in a risk group. I just fear for a lot of SMEs in my city who will not survive if this isn't tackled well by the government and if they've got to stay closed throughout the summer. It's also not mutually exclusive to feel sad/annoyed that e.g. festivals aren't happening but you still understand why and understand that it's the right decision. Still, let people who want to just have a moan about it if it helps for them - that doesn't mean they're egoists who don't care about others imo.
With lockdown restrictions being lifted gradually, it now comes down to personal responsibility for me as this is gonna be the world for the foreseeable future. Don't come to close, be vigilant, wash your hands, ... And if all follow those guidelines, we can hopefully keep it under control and think about other aspects of our community rather than only the health care. On the flip side, I try to keep telling myself that, even if numbers are going down, 1 is still one too many and you won't care that it's just 1 if it's family of yours. It gets very real very soon if it hits home close to you.
Saturday saw the lowest number of new infections (667) and lowest number of deaths (26) in a single day in Germany since late March. Let's hope the mass gatherings at the weekend won't cause those to pick up again.
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Those wanting notice of going back to work, well this is the notice to be encouraged to go back from here, this is the starting point. Nothing states you must be back in today. If the place and people require two weeks then prepare and go back in two weeks.
#leadership
Their president's message is "so what".
Hahahaha. Aw man, that was funny. Thank you.
As is mine. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. These countries who are so ignorant that they elect these far-right morons that are so clearly out of their depth deserve everything they get.
Covid denying and deforestation of the Amazon. Amazing that in 2020 we still have turkey's voting for christmas.
I believe them.
Which is not to say I know they are correct, but it makes sense according to the timeline of things and the way China acted - extremely swift anywhere apart from Wuhan, for obvious reasons. This virus isn't that hard to contain with relatively simple measures. It doesn't transmit as easily as we initially feared. I saw it growing and burn out completely in my region. It only becomes completely uncontrollable if you ignore it, which was what Europe did at a critical phase.
This has not happened.
Yet.
It's hard to draw any conclusion other than they rushed the announcement so Boris could do it pre-recorded and not to parliament.
As much as i dislike Tory policy their media strategy has historically been very good, this is just an omnishambles.
What berk thought it would be a good idea to announce vague measures with no detail to back it?
Oh and now Boris is back doing the briefing it's turned into a pre-recorded Q&A with questions selected by Tory HQ. Can't have actual scrutiny can we.
As much as i dislike Tory policy their media strategy has historically been very good, this is just an omnishambles.
What berk thought it would be a good idea to announce vague measures with no detail to back it?
Oh and now Boris is back doing the briefing it's turned into a pre-recorded Q&A with questions selected by Tory HQ. Can't have actual scrutiny can we.
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In England it has from wednesday, they had a late call last night to confirm it apparently. Can only play within your household though.
Still unclear about driving ranges, hard to socially distance at mine really.
Im sure their economy is booming right now. Shopping centres packed out, mental health at an all time high.. .
Golf courses could open easily imho if they follow something like this;
Club house closed
Only 4 members allowed on the course at one time and they have to be following physical distancing
Have a timetable online where you can book an hour in advance so that everyone doesn’t turn up at once. When the booking slots are full then you can’t go
The media are just being idiots, trying to grill on every minutia which often isn't relevant. Window cleaners in my area have been coming to clean street windows from outside all week. Obviously they aren't allowed inside the home just yet because Borris has generally only eased external, public spaces.
In events window cleaners were to only able to clean the external windows (I didn't even know window cleaners offer an internal option, thought that's up to the occupant), they just charge their price accordingly. A redundant shit question from the media that can be better used elsewhere.
Window cleaners do the inside?
I guess even if some do then they will just stick to outside only (unless they feel comfortable and have the PPE to go inside)
It's like that in Belgium since last week. I went on Tuesday without any problems, they only let you in on your own timeslot and it's 15-20mins apart. Just have to make sure you're not stuck behind slow players since you're not allowed to pass people.
If you only use your own equipment (and you're allowed in only in pairs), it's just as safe as running or cycling together.
What's wrong with having a round of golf and cleaning the insides of your own windows?
You seem to be correct but I think further detail will emerge at the 2pm announcement today.
I really don't see how playing golf is a risk if you a) keep 2m apart (like you do on walk with family of friends), b) don't touch the flag and c) Don't touch the rakes and take a drop.
Obviously the club houses should remain closed but otherwise they should open the courses.
Agreed
Good to see a bit of common sense in action
I've seen a lot of people cite the Swedish model when they try to say the lockdowns aren't justified but surely this debunks that?
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When did Boris say we were "leading the world in tackling Coronavirus"?
I dunno and the guy who tweeted that didn't say he did.
Fair enough, I'm just cautious with a bandwagon criticism for the sake of it by sections of the media and other people, because they know it's an easy click.
Boris explains everything
I'm not saying it isn't hard especially for those with mental health and other health issues. People losing their jobs is incredibly stressful especially when it endangers your accommodation and basic needs. And the economic impact in the medium term will be huge. I don't underestimate any of those things. But if you relax restrictions before you are largely in control of the virus the economic and human impact will be huge and far far larger than if you lock down until you have control because second and third wave infections and locks-downs will be far more destructive to the economy.
My wife and I have secure well paid jobs - she is probably going to be made redundant but she is highly employable and will get a decent payout - so I know we are privileged with a fair easy lock-down existence. But I still don't have sympathy for people who are prepared to throw old people under the bus because they are a bit bored of the lock-down.