The window cleaners themselves may not be relevant but his response to the question certainly is. To say that haven’t thought of it is ridiculous. What else have they not thought of and why?
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Sweden have decided that their economy is more important that the lives of their senior citizens. Britain has decided to leave an incompetent in charge.
It's a bad answer when put on the spot, but it's clearly not an accurate one. The secretary of state won't be able to answer any and every specific question when quizzed on the spot but it's clear there would have been thorough guidance and thought put into the roadmap. As much as they can in such a short time, anyway. It's the public/media themselves who have been demanding a roadmap in the first place.
But they got so many cases from travelling to Austria, what could they do?
No 10 has now contradicted this again saying its 1 person outside the household. Absolute shower.
Technically it's wholesale!
So 1 person can only meet 1 other person from a different household outside
So many people have been broadly ignoring this for weeks.
France, Italy and Spain are a week or two ahead of us. But we should be down to those numbers fairly soon.
Yeah it is a bit misleading as it's only over the last 7 days. He also conveniently left out Belgium.
France, Italy and Spain are a week or two ahead of us. But we should be down to those numbers fairly soon.
Well now would probably be a good time to organise and get your collegues to join one. Union membership has only been increasing throughout this, if my union is anything to go by.
What he actually said was you can essentially meet up with an unlimited number of people as long as you socially distance. "When you go outside...you can meet up with other people". He didn't say you can only meet up with both parents, or that you had to rotate when you meet people, despite the interviewer asking him about specific limits. He didn't seem to understand the guidelines in any detail.
No they has not. We done a poor job shelding the elders, that we can all agree on, but to say we have chosen economy over the lives of our senior citizens is pretty out of order. The people who decide how we tackle this are not politicians or corporate businesses, but our public health agency.
If you had chosen the lives of your senior citizens over the economy you would have locked down and not had such a huge death rate. If that was the scientific advice, uninfluenced by economic concerns, then you need better scientists.
You haven't had proportionaly more elderly deaths than other countries. The only way to protect elderly is to keep all infections down. It is just an excuse from pompous Tegnell.
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...e-with-virus-outbreaks?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
It really is amazing how so many elements of this outbreak feel like the environment striking back. First it hits transport (no flights, city centres pedestrianised) and now it’s looking like processed meat is in the firing line. Just waiting for some outbreaks in single use plastic factories and coal fired power stations.
It really is amazing how so many elements of this outbreak feel like the environment striking back. First it hits transport (no flights, city centres pedestrianised) and now it’s looking like processed meat is in the firing line. Just waiting for some outbreaks in single use plastic factories and coal fired power stations.
it’s almost certain that they will.
Yeah but if the 2 parents meet their son/daughter then they're only meeting one person?
could try it that way.Don't see the difference meeting 1 or 5 people tbh aslong as social distancing is adhered to.
The one parent/two parent clarification is insane. Coming up with completely irrational guidance just to make it seem as though No 10 wasn’t as confused as everyone else by BJ’s vague wiffling. Fecking bonkers. And to think that the UK is relying on these clowns to deal with the incredibly complex and detail heavy extrication of the UK from the EU...
This is approaching May government levels of a shitshow.
I wont argue the bolded part because i have no idea how good they are. Maybe Sweden will fare way better when a second wave comes and other countries will not. Maybe there is no second wave or maybe we will live with this forever.
I still think its way to early to tell how anyone is doing.
But i will strongly argue against that Sweden put the economy over the lives of our senior citizens and that the proof is that we did not lock down. We do many things here to prevent this thing and many people are working their ass off to help. Its not like we are going around like everything is normal.
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But its not the economy that is behind the reason we do how we do. Thats the only thing i argue.
If Tegnell and the rest are doing a good job or not, i have no idea. Not now atleast.
How can they legitimately tell people they can only see one other person while at the same time telling non essential staff they can go and work with as many people as their workplace can fit?
I’ve been thinking about this a bit recently. What are the long term prospects for countries like NZ and Aus that stop spread completely? If they effectively banish the virus from their countries that’s great news in the short term but if a vaccine takes several years (which is a definite possibility) then countries that have had a constant trickle of cases will likely be able to get back to a relatively normal way of life while “virus free” countries are completely shut off from the rest of the world, under the constant threat of another lockdown.
If it turns out that a safe/effective vaccine is NEVER going to happen (which is also possible) then they’re absolutely fecked. What would their strategy be then?
We had all have to go down the herd immunity route because I don't see another option if there's no vaccine.
Can't help but think the lack of clarity from the UK government is intentional, on some level at least. An attempt to please everyone and while shifting the blame?
You cant catch cancer from hugging someone. Cancer doesn't grow exponentially.
And that’s my point. Countries that have a constant trickle of cases will eventually achieve some level of herd immunity, with or without a vaccine. Countries that effectively banish the virus (e.g. NZ) will have a completely naive and vulnerable population until they’re all vaccinated. Which might never happen.
Are they though? They've bought themselves time, while the rest of the world simulates itself as a case study for their benefit.
As more data comes in they'll know which measures give the most bang for their buck.
Same with the Bank of england response to Brexit. They took action to mitigate damage and people think that the warnings were overblown.
I think it's very well orchestrated. The aim is to do as little as possible for as cheaply as possible. It's the Tory credo.
This chart tells a similar story:
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They bought themselves time to build testing/ICU/PPE/tracing infrastructure and having low case numbers gives them a better chance of containing further outbreaks.
On the other hand, do we even know how long/much antibodies from a previous Covid-19 infection protect you?
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It's beyond silly right?
You can catch Bad AIDS from hugging someone though.
As Skills said, they've bough themselves time and protected their population from death. Moreover, when new cases do trickle in they have experience in managing the problem. Herd immunity is not given either, but its something that may have to be relied on places where they can't contain the spread. Herd immunity though will mean sacrificing people's lives.
Anyone got a link for their clarification on seeing only one person outside your household please? I can't find anything.
It’s amazing how many people don’t get this simple point
With the Sweden approach, once they start to slow down and deaths start to level/drop won't that then mean we can get an indication of %ages of deaths and how many we can expect to be infected in other countries?
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I understand queuing up at a lot of places when they are reopening. But at the gym in the middle of the night?
if we weren’t allowed all those interactions what would your word of choice be to describe the situation? Barbaric is a touch too much mate
If and when they choose the measures they think work best they’ll still be behind every other country in the timescale of implementation. It’s not as though there are any huge surprises here. You either live with the virus, or vaccinate against it. If you’re going to live with it, the sooner that starts the better (so long as your healthcare system isn’t overwhelmed anyway)