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Defiant New York barber sick with coronavirus after cutting hair through pandemic
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1207076
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1207076
In other news, water is wet.Defiant New York barber sick with coronavirus after cutting hair through pandemic
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1207076
Actually I just like to challenge politically based viewpoints with the opposing position. They do not necessarily reflect my own view. If it makes people think about what they post and how they interpret what they read that's surely good for an overall debate.That isn't what the unions want and it is totally disingenuous to suggest so.
I think you, like everyone on this thread, have something to contribute. We are all learning, we are all hopefully polite individuals. But as far as I can tell, so far in this thread, you've accused others of making it political, while showing a clear political bias yourself and have approached conversations with people who on paper probably know more than you on this topic with unnecessary aggression imo.
It isn't really useful or conducive to a good debate or learning environment, for anyone involved.
no it's not.In other news, water is wet.
I think the optimism is reasonably well founded because of all the recent breakthroughs in novel vaccine development and lots of really encouraging pre-clinical data (which isn’t always the case). They’ve been seeing exactly what they hoped to see in most animal models, including maquaqes (probably spelt that wrong)I have a colleague who knows one of the leads in the Oxford trial. He says she's very confident so we'll see. I hope they're right and as @Pogue Mahone said, seems vaccine development has come on leaps and bounds over the past few years.
I'd also be very surprised if infection doesn't give you at least some short-mid term immunity but we'll see as time goes on I guess!
Best Headline Ever but is behind a paywall for me.There seems to be some optimistic news in fairly informed circles that a vaccine may be nearer that we thought.
https://www.afr.com/life-and-luxury...el-prize-and-i-don-t-give-a-s-20200506-p54qhb
It isn't a given but I'd be surprised if the majority of people who have had it aren't wholey or partially immune for a year or three as an immune response is usual and the virus is mutating slowly, as is normal with rna viruses.
As you say viruses normally slowly mutate to be less deadly, as killing your host reduces their evolutionary fitness.
I completely agree that it is important to challenge views. While the overall political leaning of the Cafe is very similar to my own, I do feel many threads end up becoming almost unchallenged echo chambers, which can be comforting but not particularly useful to understand how other people think.Actually I just like to challenge politically based viewpoints with the opposing position. They do not necessarily reflect my own view. If it makes people think about what they post and how they interpret what they read that's surely good for an overall debate.
I just hope its not rushed. And it has good evidence-base behind it. It's likely they'll shorten the time to study for its efficacy and safety but just hope its done through a large datasetI have a colleague who knows one of the leads in the Oxford trial. He says she's very confident so we'll see. I hope they're right and as @Pogue Mahone said, seems vaccine development has come on leaps and bounds over the past few years.
I'd also be very surprised if infection doesn't give you at least some short-mid term immunity but we'll see as time goes on I guess!
I've avoided the news for a while and looked today...there's quite a difference. Seems like this whole thing isn't over but everyone is bored and decided 'feck it' lets get back to normal and take our chances. Definitely looking forward to my holidays in France in August now!Anyone else tired of Corona?
And i dont mean tired like "im tired hearing about the Kardashians", i mean like physically tired of it consuming everything from shopping food to every newsbroadcast.
I am afraid people eventually are going to get so tired they stop caring.
"feck this, i am done washing my hands every hour. If i get it i get it" that kind of attitude is what i am afraid of.
Walking around beeing afraid, not hysterical, has broken me a little bit i guess. Like i just feel less happy now.
And i am in no way trying to compare what i am feeling to people who lost loved ones, been hospitalized or died from this obviously. I guess i just wanted to see if anyone else felt this way? Like the disease has infected me, without actually beeing infected, in a major way.
“I wish it need not have happened in my time,” said Frodo. “So do I,” said Gandalf, “and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”
I guess i am saying i feel a bit like Frodo right now.
Indeed.Exactly, people will rather take what is a small risk all told (as horrific as the death number looks in isolation it really isn't that many in the context of the overall population) than just merely exist, infact I'm not sure I'd want to live just to merely exist, which is pretty much what we're all doing at this point.
To be fair, it’s specificity that you would want the higher burden of proof. Which comes from several thousand samples. A few false negatives won’t cause much harm.I just hope its not rushed. And it has good evidence-base behind it. It's likely they'll shorten the time to study for its efficacy and safety but just hope its done through a large dataset
Just slightly concerned with lack of evidence-base that's guiding policy. I mean I'm not one of these cochrane die-hards when it comes to EBM but take these antibody tests for example that have been approved in the UK, Roche and Abbott. Both claiming high sensitivity and specificities (above 99.5% for both)
However, according to these two links below Public Health England has not disclosed how many samples its evaluation of the Abbott tests were based on and, for the 14 day endpoint, Roche's sensitivity claim is only from a dataset of a measly 29 samples!
https://www.evaluate.com/vantage/ar.../roche-takes-abbott-covid-19-antibody-testing
https://www.ft.com/content/14b69e2b-c55b-48e0-8c66-2232f2e857df
Born in the US-AAAAA.no it's not.
You remind me of my ex wife at her worst
Daily number of new cases rises in Belgium to 356The downward trend seems to continue in Belgium.
Bollox.Daily number of new cases rises in Belgium to 356
Belgium recorded 356 new cases of Covid-19 in the last 24 hours, 49 more cases than on Thursday, the second consecutive increase, with the country totaling 54,644 infected, according to official data released today. There were also 56 new deaths from Covid-19, four less than 60 on Thursday, with the country now totaling 8,959 deaths due to the pandemic.
According to today's data, in the last 24 hours 67 people were still hospitalized (81 on Thursday), for a total of 16,540, and 190 were discharged (173 the day before), which makes 14,301 recovered. Also in the last 24 hours, 21,686 laboratory tests were carried out, totaling 645,314 since the beginning of March.
https://observador.pt/2020/05/15/governo-reune-se-para-decidir-proxima-fase-de-desconfinamento/
And who did he pass it onto? I hope they press criminal chargesDefiant New York barber sick with coronavirus after cutting hair through pandemic
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1207076
Whats bollox?Bollox.
Which is utterly meaningless. I've explained this to you in the PL thread already.Whats bollox?
It's evident that the case numbers in Belgium have increased from yesterday.
There are less people in the hospitals, less people on intensive care and less deaths. More people are being tested, almost twice as many tests yesterday as the 2 days before.Whats bollox?
It's evident that the case numbers in Belgium have increased from yesterday.
Well if Case numbers continue to increase day on day it either indicates more infected or more tests being done. So not at all meaningless.Which is utterly meaningless.
Remember at the start of this, not everyone ended up in hospitals straight away, its a process. It starts with more people being infected and eventually more people needing ICU.There are less people in the hospitals, less people on intensive care and less deaths. More people are being tested.
https://d34j62pglfm3rr.cloudfront.net/downloads/news/numbers_20200515_NL.pdf
I've just edited my post above. I've explained this to you already in the PL thread. You cannot compare case numbers from two consecutive days. And I don't understand why you apparently scan the news and stats websites to specifically look for countries that have seen an increase from the previous day (which may not even be an increase at all because case data may just have been transmitted that day and does not tell you when people got infected) to make a point.Well if Case numbers continue to increase day on day it either indicates more infected or more tests being done. So not at all meaningless.
Bollox as in damn, that’s not good news. It’s depressing hearing about countries further out of lockdown than my country with cases on the rise.Whats bollox?
It's evident that the case numbers in Belgium have increased from yesterday.
I agree, however, we can comment on reports can we not?I've just edited my post above. I've explained this to you already in the PL thread. You cannot compare case numbers from two consecutive days.
7 day averages are dropping massively too. Virologists and experts are happy with the numbers and are optimistic. I'm going with their opinion.Remember at the start of this, not everyone ended up in hospitals straight away, its a process. It starts with more people being infected and eventually more people needing ICU.
Sure increased testing can show this, but we need to know if the increased testing is showing this or if these are cases presenting themselves without testing.
You can but seem to be cherry-picking quite a bit. And I really have to question the news outlets drawing conclusions that quickly. In Belgium's case (and I have no idea who reports what there and how accurate the numbers for each day are), I see a clear downward trend and a 40% drop from last Friday just looking at the Worldometer numbers. For Germany you reported a tripling of case numbers (from Sunday to Monday) but Worldometer (which uses data from the Johns Hopkins University) actually showed a decline. The numbers ultimately add up to the same total but are distributed differently which is another reason why comparing two consective days (which is a tiny sample anyway) is pretty meaningless.I agree, however, we can comment on reports can we not?
Been reported in lots of other countries too.Child dies in France with symptoms similar to Kawasaki disease
A nine-year-old child died in France after registering symptoms similar to those of Kawasaki's disease, described in young people who had contact with the coronavirus, the first such death in the country, his doctor announced today.
The child, who died due to “neurological damage linked to cardiac arrest”, had “a serology that showed he had been in contact” with the coronavirus, but did not have the symptoms of Covid-19, the agency France-Presse said. Professor Fabrice Michel, head of the pediatric resuscitation service at La Timone in Marseille (south-east), confirming information from the daily La Provence.
https://observador.pt/2020/05/15/governo-reune-se-para-decidir-proxima-fase-de-desconfinamento/
This Kawasaki disease keeps cropping up in New York, seems to be something new?
Its certainly a little worrying, especially when in Ireland we have HIQA suggesting there is little concern about children and COVID 19.Been reported in lots of other countries too.
It's not new, it has been reported in early April-late March.Child dies in France with symptoms similar to Kawasaki disease
A nine-year-old child died in France after registering symptoms similar to those of Kawasaki's disease, described in young people who had contact with the coronavirus, the first such death in the country, his doctor announced today.
The child, who died due to “neurological damage linked to cardiac arrest”, had “a serology that showed he had been in contact” with the coronavirus, but did not have the symptoms of Covid-19, the agency France-Presse said. Professor Fabrice Michel, head of the pediatric resuscitation service at La Timone in Marseille (south-east), confirming information from the daily La Provence.
https://observador.pt/2020/05/15/governo-reune-se-para-decidir-proxima-fase-de-desconfinamento/
This Kawasaki disease keeps cropping up in New York, seems to be something new?
hmm me too, I do take a tan quite well. The missus is Vit D defficient and is a nightmare for keeping up with her prescription so I might just buy a load.You probably don’t need it but they’re cheap to buy and don’t do any harm. Vit D deficiency is quite common in Ireland because of our shite weather. If your complexion is in any way dark you’re more likely to need a top up (I’m kind of swarthy)
HIQA are just giving an opinion on the role of kids as vectors. It is worrying but the numbers (so far) are tiny. Certainly not enough to influence policy in terms of school etcIts certainly a little worrying, especially when in Ireland we have HIQA suggesting there is little concern about children and COVID 19.
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0513/1138100-hiqa-coronavirus-review/
100k + deaths in winter even with more lockdowns?Quite honestly I think we haven't seen anything yet. The worst is yet to come.
The death of expertise.Why are you ignoring what people tell you?
@Arruda already told you that the prothrombotic and vasculitic complications aren’t seen with flu. He’s a doctor. So understands this shit better than you. So is @Wolverine. So am I. A lot of the potential long term complications are common to all ITU patients and/or seen with other severe viral infections. But not all of them.
Wading into this thread picking arguments with - and repeatedly ignoring explanations provided by - people better qualified than you is not a good look.