Grylte
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I don't think people understand this thread yet
Ok I'm triggered.Daniele De Rossi. Ok at everything, not really good at anything.
Had you mentioned Hazard like Ramos in post #20 then perhaps I wouldn't have responded. This is because his was a relevant response in the context of the OP. In any case sir, that's an interesting take on Hazard.Eden Hazard flat track bully
Pirlo is the only player in history who was voted MOTM in both the World Cup semifinal and then final. No one else has that honour, not even Pele or Maradona. He was also voted third best player of the 2006 tournament, behind Zidane and Cannavaro. He assisted the winner against Germany and the crucial equalizer against France.Did he? Or did the teams?
There are many players that are made to look better by there team stats. This isn't whether Pirlo is good, it's that he is vastly overrated, probably because of those team stats if anything.
That Italy team was incredible with Pirlo not because of him. He's talked about as if he's good enough to have won that WC himself, like you have indirectly implied.
He doesn't come close to my top midfield players and I'd sooner have his teammate Gattusso, that's my point.
Cannavaro got in the team of the tournament but he'a never mentioned with Pirlo.
I think when he went to Madrid he wasn’t played in the position which really was where he was special, wide right, and he lost a step quite early. His “I never had any pace” line he started bringing out May have been partly true, but at United he had a dynamism he really didn’t recreate for Real. His peak was certainly at United, and whenever he returned against English opposition he was pedestrian and didn’t really influence things, which also made a difference to his perception.He almost won the Ballon d'Or and was only beaten by Zidane, that doesn't happen to overrated players.
He was easily one of the greatest players of his generation. His fantasy football stats were insane, I don't think anyone didn't have him in their team back in the day.
Similar on Salas. He burned brightly but somewhat briefly, yet his reputation carried over for a few years. A lot of it was down to that goal against England which might have been the first time many folk would have seen him. That plus his rock star looks and South American panache.Marcelo Salas, mostly because I never actually saw him play. Teletext was dropping daily headlines that United were signing him imminently (in the days before the transfer window), so 8 year old me was convinced this bloke would score weekly hat tricks.
For a completely different reason, Fellaini around the time we signed him. I remember making a post on this forum saying he could be "our Busquets", with his ability to destroy play, particularly since our SAF-spiritual-successor Moyes knew how to get the best out of him. Then I stopped seeing the Everton highlights and started seeing the more frequent disasters. Never did get round to eating humble pie on that one - RedCafe, you were right.
EDIT: One more, Arda Turan. A taxi driver once convinced me when he was still in Turkey that he could turn the tide for any team. This was Salas all over again.
Yeah I actually think that team would do quite well. For a group which has been thrown together solely on the theme of ‘overrated’ it’s a pretty cohesive and balanced group.This team would do well under a good manager. Overrated doesn't mean shit.
Overrated doesn’t mean shit.Open threads
Sees names like De Gea, Beckham, Bergkamp.
Leaves thread.
Truth.Overrated doesn’t mean shit.
For instance. I think Zidane is overrated. He was a fabulous player, but is frequently labeled as a top 5 player of all time, status he simply doesn’t deserve. That doesn’t make him shit.
In terms of performances most Everton fans rate him as arguably our best player in the Premier league era so i don't think it is a case of just United fans overrating him. Looking at his peak , his last season at United and then his first season at Everton and it is very impressive. He scored 29 league goals in 60 appearances over them two seasons. That is a fantastic output for a winger in a 442 for that era.Yeah this thread was meant to be players you personally rated highly, but in hindsight possibly weren’t all that.
the one that comes to mind is kanchelskis. Adored him when he was with us. Thought he was the dogsbollocks. Whilst he was good and I still appreciate the way he plays I doubt anyone else would consider him anything more than a decent quality winger
Arthur especially. Literally all he does is make 360 turns and give short passesAs a Barcelona fan, I think both Arthur and Ousmane Dembele are severely overrated by people who don’t watch us regularly.
Kanchelskis was fantastic. Left a big hole when he left, and it took a couple of years for Becks to fill it, and he was a completely different player.In terms of performances most Everton fans rate him as arguably our best player in the Premier league era so i don't think it is a case of just United fans overrating him. Looking at his peak , his last season at United and then his first season at Everton and it is very impressive. He scored 29 league goals in 60 appearances over them two seasons. That is a fantastic output for a winger in a 442 for that era.
I liked Demichellis. Thought he was underused in his best position as a DM, though it didn't help that he himself was against it and publically complained when he was played there.Can we rename this thread to "players who moved from top club to top club and no one knows why"? Then I could name Demichelis
Riquelme had three seasons for Villarreal from 2003-2006 where he played at a phenomenal level. He nearly carried Villarreal to a Champions League final in 2006. He was the best midfielder in La Liga during those three seasons, better than Zidane, Beckham and Xavi.Riquelme. I really can't see the hype of why he's one of the legend of the game.
Actually came in to post this. Impress when you watch him as a kid growing up remembering his flashy moments. Still a great player but I had him up in the Scholes, Xavi category and he simply wasn't.Pirlo
Problem is Rooney was not a striker or the very least an out and out one.Drogba is an interesting one, his stats really are not that great but he is often brought up when talking about great strikers of the PL era. His 09-10 season was phenomenal, don't get me wrong, but overall I dont feel they stack up to the likes of the Henry's, Aguero's, Kane's of the world. I guess the Chelsea fans would argue Rooney is in the same boat, with Rooney having two standout seasons 09-10, and 11-12, the only two times he hit twenty goals or more.
Also, this is straying from the thread a little but all those italian players people generally have a hard on for as complete legends like Gattusso -- great players but people overrate them a lotTotti. Lewandowski is a great shout too.
Interesting how Italian players are considered overrated despite proven international success (final every 6 years from 1994-2012, the World Cup in 2006). Meanwhile Gerrard, Lampard and Scholes never did anything for England and yet they are legends?Also, this is straying from the thread a little but all those italian players people generally have a hard on for as complete legends like Gattusso -- great players but people overrate them a lot
Italy were a better team than England and thats exactly why the likes of pirlo and gattuso get overrated.Interesting how Italian players are considered overrated despite proven international success (final every 6 years from 1994-2012, the World Cup in 2006). Meanwhile Gerrard, Lampard and Scholes never did anything for England and yet they are legends?
Totti was world class at Euro 2000 and good at World Cup 2006. His international career is hands down better than any English player in the 21st century. His club career was unfortunately hampered by being loyal to Roma. Pirlo was world class at the 2006 World Cup and 2012 Euros. His international career is legendary. At club level he was a key player for 2 Champions League winning sides.
Why should Pirlo and Totti be rated any lower than Scholes, Gerrard, or Lampard?
Italy were a better team than England and thats exactly why the likes of pirlo and gattuso get overrated.
Im not saying they arent great players but pirlo for instance isnt in Scholes category
Like Giggs, he had stayed on the top level for so long that a lot of people only knew his older version and assume that this is how he was at his best.I’m gunna say Buffon.
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I’m sure I’m gunna get battered for it. Just always thought he was a ‘solid’ keeper rather than elite level.
No CL trophy either