Protests following the killing of George Floyd

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

Yeah I think I’m going to have to. Frustrating as like them, I feel change is needed.

If they’d attacked government buildings for lack of action, I’d get there being a link. But setting fire to businesses of hardworking people, or simply looting high end stores for profit is fecking ridiculous and has no link to their goal.

If I sit in your garden with a placard that outlines my position, every day, I can’t force you to read it.

If you step over me to get to your car every day, then a year down the line you find me sat next to your burning down house with a box of matches in my hand.... you can’t claim peaceful protest was the better move.

Burn it all down. The American system is fundamentally broken and corporate America needs to burn to make a difference. That’s how far gone it is.

 

[roseguy64]

Personally I think she is exaggerating a bit for camera. She says she feel afraid walking down the street and how we don't get to see the beautiful buildings yet she probably studying at Berkley university and the daughter of a doctor living in Beverley Hills. She is afraid every time a police officer Walks past her. Why? That's hyperbole. Every day the police have millions of encounters with African Americans that do not result in death or injury. To say you are blanket afraid of them is paranoia. The country is fuelled by it. I agree with her point about police forgetting they work for black people and I feel they think they are working against black people instead. They Definately need to change their attitudes and assuming black people are crimimals

What a ridiculous statement.

 

[villain]

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Just for those who don't know - Breonna Taylor was a black woman who was shot & killed in her boyfriends apartment by police officers who broke in without announcing themselves. When her boyfriend fired a warning shot, they proceeded to douse the apartment in bullets, many of which hit her.

Prior to George Floyd's death, there were quite a few peaceful protests calling for those police officers involved in killing her to be arrested & charged.
To date, none have been arrested or even put on Admin Leave (last time I checked, that could've changed). She was killed in March, it's been almost 3 months.

Non-violence solves nothing.

 

[horsechoker]

Not now, celebrities.

 

[Olly Gunnar Solskjær]

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[4bars]

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That is plainly not true

 

[2mufc0]

I’m not bunching all into one - I only have issues with the minority that have resorted to senseless violence. I saw a video on twitter earlier of a black guy crying in the streets shouting at people that had ransacked/destroyed his business premises. I just can’t see how that can be condoned and hate to see the legitimate protest descend into being associated with action of that sort, which I feel can only be detrimental to their cause.

Feel like I’ve fecked off half the posters in this thread, which was never my intention. I’ve genuinely not tried to troll anyone or rile emotions.

Apologies if I’ve struggled to articulate my thoughts, but having had a few posters tell me I’ve got an agenda, or worse, i‘ll leave the conversation.

Look up the saying 'enough is enough'.

 

[Carolina Red]

That is plainly not true

What?

 

[MrMarcello]

@villain wasn't it also the wrong residence they rushed in?

 

[caid]

Theres a simple solution to this. Invite the press to a long series of public perp walks for maces kid cop, attacks old dude with cane cop, firing rubber bullets at journalists cops and so on. Throw them in with the general population in prison while you worry about finding something to charge them with. Continue making very public arrests of criminals and completely ignore any potential threats they may come across in prison.
Charge kneels on neck cops 3 colleagues for murder. Actually getting the charges to stick can be a problem for another day but taking action needs to happen now imo.

 

[Ludens the Red]

Obama had eight years at the top of the world. Eight fecking years. And what's he remembered for? Killing innocent Afghani children like a coward from his drones. Not to mention thousands of other deaths. Did white police officers feck up black people in America during his tenure? Too fecking right. Did Obama say anything then or after leaving the presidency, if his hands were tied at the time? Has he ever said anything to date? Obviously nothing substantial enough.

At least Trump shows his cards. Obama has hidden his cowardice and is still hiding. Just another white president of the USA with strange skin tone who got nothing done except kill foreigner children. Oh but he tried really hard with his bills and orated well and left some sound bites. In the meantime the development of American military style police force continued to grow stronger in their conviction. No oration on that from him or his missus.

Yeah agree with @MackRobinson here. This isn’t really true, he routinely spoke out and was often criticised by Americans and Zimmerman even accused him of steering up racial tensions. Obama being president has ended just being a token gesture but again what can one man do in a country where a good portion of the population just refuse to change.

 

[iluvoursolskjær]

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Love that.

Looting? Learned from the best. Violence? Learned from the best!

 

[villain]

@villain wasn't it also the wrong residence they rushed in?

Yes & no, it was the wrong house but her house had been used as an address for some deliveries in the past (probably by her bf) - that was enough evidence for the judge decided that was enough to grant a 'no-knock' warrant.
Just one example of a truly corrupt system.

 

[Redlambs]

I’m not bunching all into one - I only have issues with the minority that have resorted to senseless violence. I saw a video on twitter earlier of a black guy crying in the streets shouting at people that had ransacked/destroyed his business premises. I just can’t see how that can be condoned and hate to see the legitimate protest descend into being associated with action of that sort, which I feel can only be detrimental to their cause.

Feel like I’ve fecked off half the posters in this thread, which was never my intention. I’ve genuinely not tried to troll anyone or rile emotions.

Apologies if I’ve struggled to articulate my thoughts, but having had a few posters tell me I’ve got an agenda, or worse, i‘ll leave the conversation.

But you did bunch them all into one, repeatedly. You also proceeded to bunch all of us on here into one too. I'd be willing to give you a pass and buy that you didn't fully articulate yourself, if it wasn't for the fact you quoted and agreed with a widely known troll. Perhaps that was an innocent mistake too.

But it's done with now, no hard feelings. You have your opinion. You should just maybe not be so quick to group people and take extreme ends of a discussion in the future.

 

[Cascarino]

Fair enough, I shouldn't have taken it so literally. I do agree with your general points.

It's not always easy, but I try to challenge people when they use such lazy arguments as you've listed. They often tend to back away from their initial comment when asked to put themselves in the position of those who have been persecuted. Maybe it's a by-product of social media, where it's expected that you have an opinion on everything, even when really you don't give a shit.

Nah it was a fair thing to call out, I’ve probably grouped people with various reasoning behind their stances under the same umbrella, when certainly there’s probably a wide variation of reasoning going on.

I think your last sentence is very accurate in a lot of cases. Where a lot of people have read or seen little of what’s going on and just reverted everything to an easily digestible takeaway lacking any nuance.

 

[Sara125]

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Seems like “We’ve heard there’s drug dealing in the area” is their go-to line whenever I watch these vids

 

[roseguy64]

Because it implies that a choice has been made by the government to kit out the police but not that heath service. Trump is a whopper but we all know that wasn't the case. No one anticipated a global pandemic or the requirement of a specific kind of PPE. Every country in the world has had issues sourcing it and an inquiry should take place post pandemic to see what mistakes were made during procurement but that's just sensationalism.

This would make sense if Trump did not fire the pandemic response team who could have seen earlier that the country's emergency stockpile was expired and could have had it replaced. But I guess I'm just using facts, what do I know?

 

[Stacks]

@villain wasn't it also the wrong residence they rushed in?

Yes & no, it was the wrong house but her house had been used as an address for some deliveries in the past (probably by her bf) - that was enough evidence for the judge decided that was enough to grant a 'no-knock' warrant.
Just one example of a truly corrupt system.

There are worse cases. Police were called by a neighbour to check on a black woman and ended up killing her. The neighbour was rightfully devastated as they called them to "check on her"

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019...-woman-home-welfare-call-191013150506596.html

 

[roseguy64]

I give up - I genuinely can’t see how people think rioting will get results.

all I see happening are people dying or fecking up their lives if they get caught, arrested and charged.

just seen a video in Rochester Ny of an older husband and wife beaten with 2x4s for protecting their store from “protestors”.

How they will help the US government realise there is a problem if institutional racism I have no fecking idea.

Please provide examples of peaceful protests that provided meaningful change throughout history. Since that's the way.

 

[4bars]

What?

I might make mistake being soblunt on that sentence, because in my head, antifa is an ideology and i heavely link them with left ideologies (the opposite than US ideology).

The USA enemies in WWII were to happen to be fascist but ideology had nothing to do with the US attacking them. As always control and money, also their historical connections with UK and the threat that germany could geopardize their raising world supremacy (that the WWII ended tilting it). They could enter to Spain and kick out the fascist dictator and they did not because Texaco and other US companies had supported him during the spanish civil war and also because the spanish democratic governement was left winged and closer to comunism and they prefer a fascist guy there. If they would be antifa, they would kick him out, and they even helped him at the later stages in the Marshall plan.

Antifa movements fight fascist movement because the fascist ideology, USA fought countries that happened to be fascist, that didn't make US antifa. Actually, and this is a personal opinion, I always put US closer to fascism than most of any other country in the developed world. Specially after the 70s. But again, sctrictly myy personal opinion

But definitely, US was not antifa in WWII ideologically speaking

 

[RedPed]

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That's the point that all these people bemoaning the violence simply don't get. They really just need to shut the feck up.

 

[Heardy]

But you did bunch them all into one, repeatedly. You also proceeded to bunch all of us on here into one too. I'd be willing to give you a pass and buy that you didn't fully articulate yourself, if it wasn't for the fact you quoted and agreed with a widely known troll. Perhaps that was an innocent mistake too.

But it's done with now, no hard feelings. You have your opinion. You should just maybe not be so quick to group people and take extreme ends of a discussion in the future.

Again - apologies if I lumped people together. Tried to find the post where I quoted someone who is seen as a troll - for what it’s worth, I’m not sure who it is, so wasn’t intentional to further stir up emotion.

 

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[George Owen]

I might make mistake being soblunt on that sentence, because in my head, antifa is an ideology and i heavely link them with left ideologies (the opposite than US ideology).

The USA enemies in WWII were to happen to be fascist but ideology had nothing to do with the US attacking them. As always control and money, also their historical connections with UK and the threat that germany could geopardize their raising world supremacy (that the WWII ended tilting it). They could enter to Spain and kick out the fascist dictator and they did not because Texaco and other US companies had supported him during the spanish civil war and also because the spanish democratic governement was left winged and closer to comunism and they prefer a fascist guy there. If they would be antifa, they would kick him out, and they even helped him at the later stages in the Marshall plan.

Antifa movements fight fascist movement because the fascist ideology, USA fought countries that happened to be fascist, that didn't make US antifa. Actually, and this is a personal opinion, I always put US closer to fascism than most of any other country in the developed world. Specially after the 70s. But again, sctrictly myy personal opinion

But definitely, US was not antifa in WWII ideologically speaking

True that.

They installed a fecking dictatorship in my country that lasted 18 years. Yeah... US is definitely not against fascism.

They are against losing control of the world ($$$).

 

[Carolina Red]

I might make mistake being soblunt on that sentence, because in my head, antifa is an ideology and i heavely link them with left ideologies (the opposite than US ideology).

The USA enemies in WWII were to happen to be fascist but ideology had nothing to do with the US attacking them. As always control and money, also their historical connections with UK and the threat that germany could geopardize their raising world supremacy (that the WWII ended tilting it). They could enter to Spain and kick out the fascist dictator and they did not because Texaco and other US companies had supported him during the spanish civil war and also because the spanish democratic governement was left winged and closer to comunism and they prefer a fascist guy there. If they would be antifa, they would kick him out, and they even helped him at the later stages in the Marshall plan.

Antifa movements fight fascist movement because the fascist ideology, USA fought countries that happened to be fascist, that didn't make US antifa. Actually, and this is a personal opinion, I always put US closer to fascism than most of any other country in the developed world. Specially after the 70s. But again, sctrictly myy personal opinion

But definitely, US was not antifa in WWII ideologically speaking

You’re being a bit too literal bud. The guy was just taking the piss out of Trump basically saying he’s pro-fascist

 

[Cascarino]

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Every tweet I've posted is literally bona fide evidence proving that your opinions can easily be disproven. We have tens of thousands of people across the UK who went onto British streets today, campaigning for Floyd George because they resonated similar injustice from their own UK life experience.

And rather than open up, listen and admit they might be saying something useful, instead you double down on your own limited view of the world and cry wolf.

It’s brilliant (and tragic) that the George Floyd protests has resonated with other countries, systemic racism is engrained into society.

 

[iluvoursolskjær]

See I feel bad now @Heardy , but hopefully you'd understand why - for the reasons I stated in my post - for many people your relatively significant volume of posts following the same pattern could be perceived that you're being deliberately obtuse.

 

[TheReligion]

This would make sense if Trump did not fire the pandemic response team who could have seen earlier that the country's emergency stockpile was expired and could have had it replaced. But I guess I'm just using facts, what do I know?

You're late to the party again on this one my friend. Already been discussed.

 

[Heardy]

Please provide examples of peaceful protests that provided meaningful change throughout history. Since that's the way.

Fair challenge, I guess peaceful protests haven’t helped. This problem is obviously bigger than that, I just struggle to condone violent responses when innocent people are going to get caught in the crossfire.

If nothing else, I hope this broader media attention finally puts pressure on institutions/governments to push for the change that is needed.

Again apologies to those that I’ve angered - there isn’t / wasn’t an agenda on my part.

 

[BobbyManc]

Please provide examples of peaceful protests that provided meaningful change throughout history. Since that's the way.

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Ireland apparently won their independence through peaceful protest, in what must be one of the worst takes possible on the protests on Twitter.

 

[villain]

There are worse cases. Police were called by a neighbour to check on a black woman and ended up killing her. The neighbour was rightfully devastated as they called them to "check on her"

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019...-woman-home-welfare-call-191013150506596.html

There’s honestly countless cases. This is why it’s bigger than a George Floyd - I've talked about the collective generational trauma of what it's like being black on here in the past - probably in the Racism or Cops doing badly thread. I can't even watch the video of what the cop did to him because at this point, seeing black people being killed by the police is desensitising me & traumatising me at the same time.

That's why this collective outrage isn't strange, and those who question why violence is necessary are the ones who haven't been paying attention - or they just don't care.

 

[Heardy]

See I feel bad now @Heardy , but hopefully you'd understand why - for the reasons I stated in my post - for many people your relatively significant volume of posts following the same pattern could be perceived that you're being deliberately obtuse.

I understand - I guess I was trying to reply to so many people along a similar vein I unnecessarily made the same point 30 times whichever made me look like a dick.

 

[roseguy64]

No. Just that the USA is a nation built on racism which is why it is still rife within the country as it has never been addressed and the UK is a nation which actively took part in colonising large parts of the world and that was in part due to racism. And guess what? That racism is still rife within the UK and its establishments because it hasn't been addressed. When people say that the police are racist in the USA or the UK or wherever - they aren't labelling the individuals in the police as racist. They are labelling the system which the police is under as racist as there is proven bias and a system which is a safe haven for people to hold these views as there has been no major changes to it.

That racism impacted the colonies too. Here up until independence the black police force was used as a tool to persecute their fellow blacks. To the whim of the white upper class and the colonial government. Elements of that still exist today in the police force but are more rooted in classism now and persecuting exclusively the poor blacks now, not just on a whole.

The racism now is more shown through colourism and the fact the white upper class now has black people in it but the only poor whites in places like the Caribbeans are immigrants or those who got themselves there.

 

[Carolina Red]

True that.

They installed a fecking dictatorship in my country that lasted 18 years. Yeah... US is definitely not against fascism.

They are against losing control of the world ($$$).

I guess we can’t make jokes at the expense of Trump anymore

 

[Walrus]

When you make such statements, I literally have nothing else to say except it's clear you have become deeply disconnected with the society you are supposed to protect.

This was in reply to a post mentioning the lawful killing of someone in the UK. I have a question - do you believe that lethal force is ever warranted?

The example given earlier (which I believe this conversation was in relation to) was of two armed robbers who were shot. The first one was shot whilst pointing a gun at the head of a security guard - he was taken out by a sniper. I would suggest asking the security guard with the gun pointed at his head, whether the police were justified in killing that man.

 

[Carolina Red]

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Ireland apparently won their independence through peaceful protest, in what must be one of the worst takes possible on the protests on Twitter.

Hmmm. That would be news to Michael Collins.

 

[diarm]

The lawyer for the Floyd family says audio from the bodycam of the officers has shown one of them told Chauvin "he doesn't have a pulse, maybe we should move him onto his side?" and Chauvin responds with "no, we're going to keep him in this position" and then keeps his knee on his neck for several more minutes.

I am still struggling with the idea that there isn't clear, obvious and provable evidence of intent to kill here? His colleague explicitly tells him that the man he is kneeling doesn't have a pulse, but instead of taking the opportunity to check and perhaps resuscitate him, he deliberately holds his position to ensure that he finishes the job.

That is cold blooded, intentional murder. I'm sorry but I can't see how it could possibly be anything else and a 25 year sentence is ludicrously insufficient.

 

[Ludens the Red]

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Ireland apparently won their independence through peaceful protest, in what must be one of the worst takes possible on the protests on Twitter.

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[evil_geko]

Again - apologies if I lumped people together. Tried to find the post where I quoted someone who is seen as a troll - for what it’s worth, I’m not sure who it is, so wasn’t intentional to further stir up emotion.

I am the one you quoted, and his "wide known troll" is as wide as only to him because he has some personal agenda with me, so you did nothing wrong in that quote. Relax.

 

[diarm]

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Ireland apparently won their independence through peaceful protest, in what must be one of the worst takes possible on the protests on Twitter.

Jesus Christ.