Protests following the killing of George Floyd

ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
Of course I would in most situations.

but where do you stop? Do I report a gardener, who I know is not fully declaring his taxes? I cannot be expected to challenge everything, and every opinion, and every action that is wrong.

it’s the other chap who believes that you have to be actively anti something, otherwise you are complicit in that viewpoint which is beyond absurd.
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Where you stop is when you don't care enough about the act being undertaken.

If you had been impacted by racism it would likely be much higher in your list of priorities.

I think the point is, if you don't challenge something then you are not helping the situation.

This applies more in the case of racism because the perpetrators are much less likely to listen to the opinion of the very race they are prejudice toward. Doesn't make you a bad person if you don't challenge it. But staying silent implies that it is acceptable behaviour imo.
 
2mufc0 said:


Gammon are pissed.
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Mum said about this earlier we come from near Bristol and I've lived there. I guessed it was to do with the slave trade. Apparently they threw the statue in the river as a show of what colston did with black people. We both agreed that protests that damage property was bad but this was an exception.
 
Garethw said:
There are videos out there of black police being attacked. I guess those black lives don’t count?
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so because of a small minority, people shouldn’t protest racial injustice?
This argument is the equivalent of saying that black lives don’t matter because black people kill each other too.
 
Garethw said:
If you hate this country so much then fecking leave!
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We can't - since we took back control of our country we're locked-down, have no flights, no money, no country and no control.
 
OL29 said:
Yeah I think I’m going to try and stick to the football forum because even though it’s a minority of posters, it’s depressing seeing some of the nonsense spewed in this thread.
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Yeah threads like this always turn out quite depressing, though them going off the deep end and getting banned is somewhat entertaining.
 
hobbers said:
Before now the only things I associated BLM UK with were blocking ambulances on motorways and shutting down student libraries.

And the 'mass protests amid a pandemic for a virus that hits black people the hardest' strategy isn't doing much to change my general view of their approach to things.
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Cloud7 said:
People often use this as a justification for the acts of the past, but is that really the case? It’s not difficult to imagine that you would still feel empathy for your fellow human and view their oppression as wrong, even if you were born 100 years ago.

I mean, even in those times there were people that viewed slavery etc as wrong. Even if it wasn’t the dominant mindset, it does show that it was not impossible, people simply didn’t want to.

Having a conscience and empathy is universal and timeless, regardless of what era you’re born in or what the dominant mindset is at the time.
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There are people that are smashing shit up and saying it's in the name of anti racism so it expunges them apparently from being viewed as complete and utter cnuts. Are they going to be viewed as noble in years from now as they are today?
 
Garethw said:
Burning the cenotaph flags. If you hate this country so much then fecking leave!
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As angry as I am about people trying to literally set the Cenotaph and all that it represents on fire - and those who think it's an irrelevance. This is also a brutal reaction, dunno if your upset, trolling, or just wrong but wise up.

Defacing war memorials is not the way to sort it, but there is an issue. Telling people that are born here to leave is not going to be part of the solution.

I'd like to be done with this thread, I've tried several times, yet here I am again. I will never in a million years agree with some of the responses sent to me tonight, but nor do I support the actions of Trump's warped version of America. Maybe tomorrow il wise up and go stalk Sancho instead of wasting my breath here.
 
Ronaldo's Mum Eh? said:
I consider myself fairly left on most things and a liberal person.. but how society has shaped into one that's extremely far left, and extremely far right, I'm kind of in a situation where if I say anything out of the popular consensus, I will be labeled by both groups.
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If so why are you so attracted to right wing nonsense and conspiracy theory bullshit?

God forbid there are people who question the status quo.
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It is nothing to do with any status quo. You just seem to think that You Tube is primary literature and believe any old rubbish you find there. Then bring it here to distract and disrupt threads. That is why you get threadbanned.
 
starman said:
There are people that are smashing shit up and saying it's in the name of anti racism so it expunges them apparently from being viewed as complete and utter cnuts. Are they going to be viewed as noble in years from now as they are today?
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It will be viewed as a necessary step, yes. Peaceful protests have gone on deaf ears for decades. What do you suggest? Another century of taking the moral high ground and hoping that something changes from peaceful words alone?
 
PepsiCola said:
Few defaced memorials are nothing compared to centuries of racism, genocide, systemic injustices and inequality.
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One has nothing to do with the other. It's not like a Confederate monument or a statue of a slave owner. It's a monument to soldiers who died. It's vandalism and has feck all to do with race or racism.
 
syrian_scholes said:
I don't think it's my place to speak on behalf of black people, it's on you to educate yourself on history and racism not on me.
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Do you have a list of recommended books? I would like to educate myself a bit on the subject
 
worldgonemad said:
All racism is wrong. Let me get out of the way right away. To protest around the world to show support that poor mans family and to show every racist that its not acceptable is also a good thing.
To vandalise and riot, to attack police is also not on. Some of the things we are seeing on tv are without doubt damaging the legitimacy of the protests.
I dont know enough about the guy whose statue was torn down but if he was a slave trader then he was an arsehole by all our standards. Does that give a mob any right to tear it down without due discussion? Absolutely not. What kind of message does this send out? Any time we disagree with something we just do as we please because we are morally in the right? Ive seen police being assaulted on tv, by thugs protesting about police brutality. How fecked up is that?
@PepsiCola do you think these protesters are going about things in the right way, and is the way they are behaving justified?
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One thing to understand is how the media is biased towards sensationalism and only viewing things on edited TV news distorts reality. The reality is hundreds of thousands/millions around the world are peacefully protesting but if you look at unedited footage, well that's a bit boring. If you only watch the edited nightly news you are getting a very skewed impression of what's happening. 50,000 people are peacefully protesting but 50-100 of them start breaking a few windows what do you think the sensationalist media is going to show? 45 minutes of airtime from looting that makes up a minuscule fraction of the overall protest. The only people I see questioning the "legitimacy of the protests" are heavily biased, to begin with. A few looters among millions of protesters does absolutely nothing to de-legitimize the protests, although of course, that's what the neo-fascists want people to think.

Another thing to understand is that there is some legitimate document evidence that it was police/right-wing nutjobs that started breaking windows to make the protesters look bad. For every video of a looter, there is also a video of militarized police going way beyond legitimate use of force.
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
One thing to understand is how the media is biased towards sensationalism and only viewing things on edited TV news distorts reality. The reality is hundreds of thousands/millions around the world are peacefully protesting but if you look at unedited footage, well that's a bit boring. If you only watch the edited nightly news you are getting a very skewed impression of what's happening. 50,000 people are peacefully protesting but 50-100 of them start breaking a few windows what do you think the sensationalist media is going to show? 45 minutes of airtime from looting that makes up a minuscule fraction of the overall protest. The only people I see questioning the "legitimacy of the protests" are heavily biased, to begin with. A few looters among millions of protesters does absolutely nothing to de-legitimize the protests, although of course, that's what the neo-fascists want people to think.
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Yeah you wont see Sky News The Sun posting about these sort of things


 
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oneniltothearsenal said:
One thing to understand is how the media is biased towards sensationalism and only viewing things on edited TV news distorts reality. The reality is hundreds of thousands/millions around the world are peacefully protesting but if you look at unedited footage, well that's a bit boring. If you only watch the edited nightly news you are getting a very skewed impression of what's happening. 50,000 people are peacefully protesting but 50-100 of them start breaking a few windows what do you think the sensationalist media is going to show? 45 minutes of airtime from looting that makes up a minuscule fraction of the overall protest. The only people I see questioning the "legitimacy of the protests" are heavily biased, to begin with. A few looters among millions of protesters does absolutely nothing to de-legitimize the protests, although of course, that's what the neo-fascists want people to think.

Another thing to understand is that there is some legitimate document evidence that it was police/right-wing nutjobs that started breaking windows to make the protesters look bad. For every video of a looter, there is also a video of militarized police going way beyond legitimate use of force.
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Most of these protests are organized by folks who’ve been doing this decades. The insinuation that they don’t care about covid or public health is so willfully ignorant. Especially when you know that doctors are at the front of this movement supporting the cause. Instead of acknowledging they know what they’re doing, we see reactionary BS that does nothing to help the cause.
 
entropy said:
Most of these protests are organized by folks who’ve been doing this decades. The insinuation that they don’t care about covid or public health is so willfully ignorant. Especially when you know that doctors are at the front of this movement supporting the cause. Instead of acknowledging they know what they’re doing, we see reactionary BS that does nothing to help the cause.
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Well said mate.
 
entropy said:
Most of these protests are organized by folks who’ve been doing this decades. The insinuation that they don’t care about covid or public health is so willfully ignorant. Especially when you know that doctors are at the front of this movement supporting the cause. Instead of acknowledging they know what they’re doing, we see reactionary BS that does nothing to help the cause.
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Eh? They know what they're doing?

Look. I support the protest. Would join them if I'm geographically there. But let's not pretend they know what they're doing corona wise.
 
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If Politicians can do a Cummings, and people all bunch together in their thousands on beaches and parks - I think protesting is permissible tbqfh.

Hilariously rich coming from the privileged. God bless your cotton socks.

Edit: Not aimed particularly at you @Sky1981 and apologies if it seemed. Just happened to want to express that thought then.
 
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Wibble said:
If so why are you so attracted to right wing nonsense and conspiracy theory bullshit?



It is nothing to do with any status quo. You just seem to think that You Tube is primary literature and believe any old rubbish you find there. Then bring it here to distract and disrupt threads. That is why you get threadbanned.
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I'm always open to other ideas. You evolve and learn more by looking at both sides of the story and the truth is more or less in the middle. What have I posted that's conspiracy? I simply asked the Caf thoughts about the planedemic documentary.

You're putting words in my mouth. When did I say youtube is the primary literature? I posted a video about scientists (well recognized ones at that) as part of a guest panel suggesting covid isn't as bad as it is. How is that disruptive and conspiracy? Because it shows the other side?
 
Just catching up for the past day+. . .

sammsky1 said:
This so so real and so powerful, one of the greatest speeches I've ever heard. If you watch only one VDO today, it has to be this (only few mins long).
It's from Kimberley Jones, who uses playing Monopoly as an analogy to understanding the heinous economic injustice imposed on black people in USA.
(Kimberly Jones, author of I'm Not Dying Here With You Tonight)

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If anyone has not watched this I implore you to.

I was genuinely moved by this video when I saw it earlier & if anyone still doesn’t know why it’s erupting in America as it has, these 6 minutes of raw emotion [& education] will.

Why indeed!

BobbyManc said:


Good thread about those who seem to be very vocal in denouncing the protests on public health grounds
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Very good resource, thank you.
Pexbo said:


Just something to lighten the mood a little.
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Game.Set.Match.
MrMarcello said:
Here, I'll post for those that want to push her bullshit agenda. She's no different than many others simply seeing an opportunity to cash in from racial tensions and polarized political climate.

https://newsone.com/3848636/candace-owens-receipts-con-artist/
Every Receipt Proving Candace Owens Is A Con Artist Who Is Following The Money
We have the receipts.
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The woman is a clown.
sammsky1 said:
One of the many reasons why such seismic change is happening is that we never had access to instant and powerful story telling before the mobile digital age.

I think it’s amazing that millennials and GenX are refashioning so many ideals that were long misunderstood.


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Privilege for dummies.

As you say, millennials deserve credit for running with things the previous ones have not. Apathy post ‘civil-rights’ has been a travesty.

Carolina Red said:


Dude thought the pyramids were for grain storage, too...
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C(art)oon.
fergieisold said:
you black people really love to moan about whites.
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I’m assuming banned?
Drifter said:
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C-Nut
Silva said:


they're clapping the officers who pushed a 75 year old
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c-Nuts
BobbyManc said:


Turns out there are a few good apples after all.
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NOT a c-Nut
 
Ronaldo's Mum Eh? said:
I'm always open to other ideas. You evolve and learn more by looking at both sides of the story and the truth is more or less in the middle. What have I posted that's conspiracy? I simply asked the Caf thoughts about the planedemic documentary.

You're putting words in my mouth. When did I say youtube is the primary literature? I posted a video about scientists (well recognized ones at that) as part of a guest panel suggesting covid isn't as bad as it is. How is that disruptive and conspiracy? Because it shows the other side?
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You don't search out and evaluate data. Scientists do that. You listen to ludicrous YouTube videos and suck them up wholesale. You then disrupt discussion on here by polluting threads with your nonsense.

The video you posted in the Covid thread is a prime example. The fact it was promoted by Tony Robbins should have been the first giveaway. I'm also suprised you still.think it has any validity after numerous posters told you what utter tosh it was. You also made me waste my time watching it all the way through, long after it was obvious to everyone but you that it was indeed bullshit.

Wibble said:
Pretty much all of it. Except for the bits that have been deceptively edited.

2.45 - Chemist thinks there is a political agenda. Only backs this up with the statement that the WHO exaggerate things. Whereas the WHO have been accused of underplaying this pandemic. So nothing more than an opinion that barely rises to the status of a non sequitur.

3.00 - misrepresents COVID deaths as equivalent to a flu season. This is obviously and demonstrably wrong. Deaths are massively beyond an annual flu season already and we aren't anywhere near done yet - not to mention deaths to date are likely rapidly approaching 1 million already due to poor reporting.

3.44 - clip says death RATE likely lower due to a lack of testing of mildly symptomatic cases. Yes. But so what? It will still be hugely worse than flu and hundreds of thousands of people are actually dead already and lots more will follow until we have a vaccine.

4.30 - blah, blah, blah - Skynet. Then more "just another RNA virus" bullshit.

8.00 - only the old die so feck the old - take one for the team you selfish bastards.

9.00 - more "its just a flu" bullshit.

10.00 - this is probably worse than the bullshit. This guy did an antibody study that suggested less than 5% of Californians had been infected. His study was to improve understanding of the pandemic and that understanding was that herd immunity without a vaccine was impossible without huge mortality. They edited an interview to make it seem like he supported the agenda of the video. I hope he sues them.

If I had longer between meetings I'd find far more bullshit in there I'm sure.
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Organic Potatoes said:
Thank you, we were all waiting with bated breath for that analysis.
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I’m thanking posters for posting stuff I haven’t seen in a number of cases, honestly don’t get the unnecessary hostility in this place at times - troll elsewhere.

I’ll be sure to @ you in tomorrow’s review, your support is appreciated.
 
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