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He wasn’t even trying to communicate today and all that does is spread nervousness and confusion amongst the backline. He’s becoming very annoying.
The guy has been terrible for the majority of this season. I'm not sure what we're supposed to do. Beside he doesn't read Caf anyway.He's low on confidence. Let's all go to the internet and slaughter him en masse to show our support.
A top professional's reflexes don't go when he's still in his 20s, he'd kept 11 clean sheets in 15 prior to today and only Leicester, Liverpool and Sheffield Utd have conceded fewer goals than us (the latter two having a game in hand to ship more). He's hardly been as awful as this thread has been making him out to be.
Besides which, he stuck with us for years when we were showing nothing - never kicked up a fuss even when the dodgy fax machine cancelled his transfer. He's earned a hell of a lot more loyalty than this.
And how far out was that shot? If a player hits the post on your near side, and I'd have to see the play again, that can mean you had your angles correct. It would be that acute and precise.In the second half he got beat near post again with a low ball. Bono hit the post
He needed to better on his post for the goal. Let's get it right though, Maguire was nutmegged in the six yard box. AWB was slow to get off the ground. It was a combination of bad mistakes that resulted in the goal.Wasn't just the first goal.
His kicking was appalling, he looked nervous and worried coming out to get the ball, his lack of communication led to a mix up with Bailly where both left the ball to each other and we conceded a daft corner.
He was just awful.
It's not an agenda at all though, that's absolute nonsense.He needed to better on his post for the goal. Let's get it right though, Maguire was nutmegged in the six yard box. AWB was slow to get off the ground. It was a combination of bad mistakes that resulted in the goal.
Bailly receivied a bad ball by Matic and made a meal of it. Bailly the liability messed up under no pressure, nobody was behind him. People have an agenda now, De Gea was poor overall today but the defensive unit contributed. People need to question our overall defending and stop with the agenda.
Maguire was at fault for Bergwijn and the first one today too, can't put all the blame and the keeper for these shit goals. It's a shared thing people need to start understanding.This was a worse mistake than the Bergwijn one. For his motivation sake, I hope we get Henderson back to ensure that he knows that his position is in danger. Romero, for what its worth, isn’t challenging De Gea’s league position.
Rubbish for 18 months? Talk about overreacting. People have convinced themselves that he has been rubbish and can't wait to shit on him when he makes mistake.
He has not been on the level he was before but he has been far from rubbish. Most people here will get reality check when Henderson make few mistakes of his own.
And your point is? You do know that a video like that can be made for absolutely any GK out there?
And that doesn't include many other mistakes he has done recently.
That's fine you don't have confidence in him, can't leave key information about the mistakes (De Gea made a mistake but who's to blame why it's went in, is it just him). The jury is out and De Gea? He's made errors, I just don't haven't heard good solutions, Romero isn't first choice and Henderson has made mistakes. He made a good save before the penalty, his distribution was not that bad. The routine from kick outs maybe needs to be looked at, our back line are very static when we play out from the back.It's not an agenda at all though, that's absolute nonsense.
De Gea has been rubbish for around 18 months now, he's made mistake after mistake.
I didn't say he was the only one to blame for how sloppy we were at the back, Maguire Lindelof and Bailly were all dozy too.
This is the De Gea performance thread, that's why I'm talking about him.
These mistakes are all condensed in the last 1.5 not just many years around, so yes his form has mostly been terrible for the last 18 months.And your point is? You do know that a video like that can be made for absolutely any GK out there?
This sub will get a reality check when Henderson becomes our No 1 whenever that happens.
There's no agenda with me certainly.That's fine you don't have confidence in him, can't leave key information about the mistakes (De Gea made a mistake but who's to blame why it's went in, is it just him). The jury is out and De Gea? He's made errors, I just don't haven't heard good solutions, Romero isn't first choice and Henderson has made mistakes. He made a good save before the penalty, his distribution was not that bad. The routine from kick outs maybe needs to be looked at, our back line are very static when we play out from the back.
Agreed.I don't get this "agenda" stuff.
I absolutely loved everything about De Gea in the past 5-6 years and I doubt any United fan didn't feel the same.
He's just past his best and has been for a while, and we don't want another Rooney situation that's all. We need to know when to move on from past it players.
We've already had that situation I'm afraid, with the 375k-per-week contract.I don't get this "agenda" stuff.
I absolutely loved everything about De Gea in the past 5-6 years and I doubt any United fan didn't feel the same.
He's just past his best and has been for a while, and we don't want another Rooney situation that's all. We need to know when to move on from past it players.
Well, we can't conclude that he is past his best. Just so that's mentioned.He's just past his best and has been for a while, and we don't want another Rooney situation that's all.
The most important factor in the "Rooney situation" is that we have to keep playing an average player because of his wage and fame despite his mistakes and mediocre performances.Well, we can't conclude that he is past his best. Just so that's mentioned.
But the reason people worry about a "Rooney situation" (as you say) is based on tangible (enough) factors:
a) his only standout quality (for a top, top player) is his shot stopping ability.
b) he has become "error prone" to an extent that was not present before in recent seasons.
c) he has not shown any signs of developing his game in terms of - well - anything beyond shot stopping.
So, yeah - the "Rooney situation" isn't an outlandish concept, meaning: a player on insane wages who will likely just keep declining in terms of what he's actually brilliant at - and who will likely not develop significantly (or at all) in terms of what he currently lacks.
Ugh yeah they do, where have you been? Rooney was in a massive decline in his late twenties and he isn't the first by any means. Plenty of players hit peaks at different points and decline at different times.He's low on confidence. Let's all go to the internet and slaughter him en masse to show our support.
A top professional's reflexes don't go when he's still in his 20s, he'd kept 11 clean sheets in 15 prior to today and only Leicester, Liverpool and Sheffield Utd have conceded fewer goals than us (the latter two having a game in hand to ship more). He's hardly been as awful as this thread has been making him out to be.
Besides which, he stuck with us for years when we were showing nothing - never kicked up a fuss even when the dodgy fax machine cancelled his transfer. He's earned a hell of a lot more loyalty than this.
Indeed.The most important factor in the "Rooney situation" is that we have to keep playing an average player because of his wage and fame despite his mistakes and mediocre performances.
Would you honestly describe late 20s Rooney as a top professional? Getting into drunken boxing matches with Phil Bardsley and playing slapsies with WWE wrestlers?Ugh yeah they do, where have you been? Rooney was in a massive decline in his late twenties and he isn't the first by any means. Plenty of players hit peaks at different points and decline at different times.
It's this simple and I've repeated it ad nausea at this point the last year to 18 months, his confident was absolutely shot after that 2018 World Cup s*it show! Arguably one of the worst keeping performances in memory without a doubt. On top of that yes, yes indeed his reflexes have gone. It happened to Buffon as well as he had issues with his sight as well and his form nose dived for a period.
It isn't just a coincidence that his errors are often similar, beaten at the front post (same again today) and long range efforts.
He's a one dimensional keeper in that he was a superb shot stopper, that had incredible ability going left / right on his line. Most everything else outside of that metric is poor to average.
Communication poor, distribution poor, control of aerial balls poor. The one thing that made him superb is failing him now.
You're completely rewriting history ffs, he refused to sign a deal and wanted out and but for a dodgy fax that you mention we managed to keep him. Then he done it again on the next deal again and held out to the bitter end and we made him the best paid keeper in the world.
Now we are in a situation again similar to Rooney and Sanchez. An overpaid under performing player.
I wouldn't no, but then again Owen, Fowler, Kaka etc etc...Would you honestly describe late 20s Rooney as a top professional? Getting into drunken boxing matches with Phil Bardsley and playing slapsies with WWE wrestlers?
Whopping nose dive in form?I wouldn't no, but then again Owen, Fowler, Kaka etc etc...
But this isn't about fitness, so much as a loss of a reflex. Keepers can lose them and were not talking about huge drops here. Remember, shots are fired at keepers at average speeds of about 70mph I believe? So the very slightest loss of a reflex does indeed make a massive difference.
I posted this a few moments ago in another De Gea thread.
Can argue all you like there is a whopping nose dive in form since the WC in 2018.
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