Bolsonaro has covid19
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Bolsonaro has covid19
Count yourself lucky we don't have any right leaning Brazilian mods.Bolsonaro has covid19
@MTFCount yourself lucky we don't have any right leaning Brazilian mods.
Huh? Me no moderator.... anyways, I'm also #ForçaCovid.
My missus is Brazilian. Would appear a lot of Brazilians think this is exactly what he's positioning to do (some even doubting if he has it and is pretending he does just to push Chloroquine!).Oh great he also took Chloroquine, so now when he recovers (which is likely) it will be because of the miracle drug that Trump said we should take all along. Because that's definitely how medical research works.
That's what people like him do, lie and manipulate, I highly doubt trump took the drug either.My missus is Brazilian. Would appear a lot of Brazilians think this is exactly what he's positioning to do (some even doubting if he has it and is pretending he does just to push Chloroquine!).
And yet they're the ones the majority of people wanted to lead us. What the feck happened!That's what people like him do, lie and manipulate, I highly doubt trump took the drug either.
People fell for the lies and manipulation, obviously.And yet they're the ones the majority of people wanted to lead us. What the feck happened!
the story goes deeper than that in both brazil and india, but this is a big part of itAnd yet they're the ones the majority of people wanted to lead us. What the feck happened!
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By the rapey ones like Robinho I expect. It's very hard to admit you were wrong these days though, see the Conservatives having a 45% voting intention in Britain.Is he still liked by Brazilian footballers?
Policing in favelas is warzoneIf we had a thread here about cops in brazil I think it'd be longer than the one about american cops.
Rubbish. Policing in Afghanistan and Somalia is warzone. Policing problems in favelas are brought entirely upon themselves.Policing in favelas is warzone
Despite my hyperbolic description, I am not gonna enter in a lengthy discussion of something that there is plenty of information a about. If you believe that MILLIONS of people that live in favelas brought into themselves when they get caught up in between the crime, poverty and the police going all out, then there is not much to discussRubbish. Policing in Afghanistan and Somalia is warzone. Policing problems in favelas are brought entirely upon themselves.
??? My comment meant that police bring it [the 'war'] entirely upon themselves. Apologies if unclear. Hence I have huge sympathy for police in virtual warzones, but near none in a government directed and run by a right wing thug in charge of a relatively stable country.Despite my hyperbolic description, I am not gonna enter in a lengthy discussion of something that there is plenty of information a about. If you believe that MILLIONS of people that live in favelas brought into themselves when they get caught up in between the crime, poverty and the police going all out, then there is not much to discuss
Sorry. I misinterpreted your comment. Yes, is not actual warzone but they act as if it is where law doesn't mean anything for them??? My comment meant that police bring it [the 'war'] entirely upon themselves. Apologies if unclear. Hence I have huge sympathy for police in virtual warzones, but near none in a government directed and run by a right wing thug in charge of a relatively stable country.
Latin American populists of both the right and the left, have failed their populations miserably. If you look at Mexico's death rate, they might even have had more dead than Brazil per capita. Only difference is that perhaps López Obrador is a bit less vocal about being an asshole about it.Elextions have consequences.
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For all his faults, Lula left office with record approval ratings and lifted many millions out of poverty.Latin American populists of both the right and the left, have failed their populations miserably. If you look at Mexico's death rate, they might even have had more dead than Brazil per capita. Only difference is that perhaps López Obrador is a bit less vocal about being an asshole about it.
Yea it's a super lazy narrative. Plenty of left wingish 'populist' governments in South America have done pretty well.For all his faults, Lula left office with record approval ratings and lifted many millions out of poverty.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/dec/31/brazil-lula-era-ends
Again, he has his faults, but I would argue he didn't fail brazilians in general.
Here's hoping he runs in 2022 and beats the feck out of Bolsonaro.For all his faults, Lula left office with record approval ratings and lifted many millions out of poverty.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/dec/31/brazil-lula-era-ends
Again, he has his faults, but I would argue he didn't fail brazilians in general.
According to the latest polls he leads by just 1%, going to 4% in a second round. The last election was brutal in terms of misinformation from right wing media, it's going to be nasty if Lula runs, and if he wins there will be violence, because millions of brazilians have been convinced he's some sort of reincarnation of Stalin.Here's hoping he runs in 2022 and beats the feck out of Bolsonaro.
How can he finish his term with a 90% approval rating and now be seen as a pariah by so many? I know he got mixed up in the skulduggery of Car Wash, but as you said - he's now practically the devil to lots of people despite being released with charges dropped. The right-wing media appears to have completely eviscerated him. It's such a polarised political landscape.According to the latest polls he leads by just 1%, going to 4% in a second round. The last election was brutal in terms of misinformation from right wing media, it's going to be nasty if Lula runs, and if he wins there will be violence, because millions of brazilians have been convinced he's some sort of reincarnation of Stalin.
In portuguese, but basically the poll info above:
https://www.noticiasaominuto.com/mu...ela-primeira-vez-corrida-presidencial-de-2022
From what I hear from brazilian friends, more than the media, it was the evangelical churches getting more into politics. They were ok with Lula at first when the sole focus was on economic issues, helping the poor and very poor, the churches got a lot of help from the state. After a few years, this help was reduced as poverty decreased and the party began supporting more social causes, like lgbt communities and more liberal segments of society. This made the churches shift right and the rich evangelical pastors allied with the far-right and began building the current conspiracy theory infested social media. Brazilians are in general very religious and uninformed, as a friend of mine says, many vote on who the pastor tells them. Recently Lula has been trying to make amends after criticizing some pastors in the past, he knows he needs the churches and if he runs, I'm sure he'll make some promises of financial programs which will benefit them.How can he finish his term with a 90% approval rating and now be seen as a pariah by so many? I know he got mixed up in the skulduggery of Car Wash, but as you said - he's now practically the devil to lots of people despite being released with charges dropped. The right-wing media appears to have completely eviscerated him. It's such a polarised political landscape.
That's fascinating. Thanks for that. I'd imagine Bolsonaro is more ideologically aligned with the church in terms of being anti LGBT friendly, while Lula is far more socially minded with programmes that seek to help the poorest and most vulnerable, which the church support. It's quite a mad country.From what I hear from brazilian friends, more than the media, it was the evangelical churches getting more into politics. They were ok with Lula at first when the sole focus was on economic issues, helping the poor and very poor, the churches got a lot of help from the state. After a few years, this help was reduced as poverty decreased and the party began supporting more social causes, like lgbt communities and more liberal segments of society. This made the churches shift right and the rich evangelical pastors allied with the far-right and began building the current conspiracy theory infested social media. Brazilians are in general very religious and uninformed, as a friend of mine says, many vote on who the pastor tells them. Recently Lula has been trying to make amends after criticizing some pastors in the past, he knows he needs the churches and if he runs, I'm sure he'll make some promises of financial programs which will benefit them.
Yeah for sure, Bolsonaro is basically an old school military dictatorship style of politician, very common in south america. These types have always been aligned with conservative churches and if they couldturn the clock back a few decades they'd do it in a heartbeat. Recently some new churches and pastors have popped up, especially in Rio and São Paulo, which are more progressive and distance themselves from traditional churches, hopefully they continue to grow.That's fascinating. Thanks for that. I'd imagine Bolsonaro is more ideologically aligned with the church in terms of being anti LGBT friendly, while Lula is far more socially minded with programmes that seek to help the poorest and most vulnerable, which the church support. It's quite a mad country.
You are talking about a guy who was stopped from participating in an election he would have comfortably won by a judge who then went to work for his opponent. And the case was so strong that the sentencing was annulled, just a few days ago confirmed by the supreme court.then I'm gonna say you're not showing any kind of respect for democracy.
How does something that happened after the events I am describing serve as a counter-argument?You are talking about a guy who was stopped from participating in an election he would have comfortably won by a judge who then went to work for his opponent. And the case was so strong that the sentencing was annulled, just a few days ago confirmed by the supreme court.
It's clear who is the real danger to brazilian democracy, and it's not Lula.
You mentioned crimes. Lula was punished, apparently unfairly, to the direct benefit of the current president. I'm sure you see a connection.How does something that happened after the events I am describing serve as a counter-argument?
Yes, but I am referring to what I think is the underlying issue. Lula left office in 2010 with record approval as was mentioned here before, having "anointed" his successor. Yet 8 years later his party faced very high levels of rejection, so much so that the candidate that won the election (Bolsonaro) was no longer the center-right PSDB that had gone to the run-off vs the workers party in every single election since 1994, and instead was the candidate that had the narrowest platform and was simply the one that was most emphatically against the workers party. How did that happen?You mentioned crimes. Lula was punished, apparently unfairly, to the direct benefit of the current president. I'm sure you see a connection.
It is the same in many countries. Support the LGBT community and the Church jumps on you. Too may Churches get involved in politics. In the Philippines, the Church is in bed with the Communists now.That's fascinating. Thanks for that. I'd imagine Bolsonaro is more ideologically aligned with the church in terms of being anti LGBT friendly, while Lula is far more socially minded with programmes that seek to help the poorest and most vulnerable, which the church support. It's quite a mad country.