He already backtracked on his comments about Barcelona and Espanyol back ground didn't stop Barcelona from hiring Valverde .
A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino
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He backtracked a little bit but I think it would have been a bit of a stretch for Poch and Barcelona to go for it, which has proved to be true because they went for a proper Barca legend instead.
Source?
I'm not doubting your statement - just interested. Because I thought it was well established that he had pretty much ruled out that possibility in no uncertain terms.
Valverde never said anything about Barcelona that would make the club's hierarchy think twice about appointing him though. He talked himself out of the Barca job.
Do you think him backtracking on previous comments about Barca was genuine or opportunistic?
He would be insane to “wait” for the Utd job. I doubt if he would be in the conversation if Ole were to leave.
As for any other top job, I don’t see it happening. He’ll have to take a next tier job and make a decent fist of that first. Then, sure, Utd or Madrid, why not? Absolutely not now.
I think he is destined to manage United at some point he may actually take Job at tier 2 Club as his next job and might bide his time .
I’m just jesting mate. Don’t care where he ends up really but i can admit he’s a good manager
Oh it’s coming.
Yeah he probably is.
Wisdom in Turin is Agnelli contacted the Poch, among others, and he made a number of unfeasible, unworkable, untenable requests, so thank you and goodbye.
That ship has sailed. Seems like he's just waiting for any big job, and would've been a serious contender for Barca had he not run his mouth. His stock is dropping daily.
We’re there examples given of these requests? I’m curious, since I’m sure United will continue to keep tabs on him moving forward.
I'd say that is probably close to the truth and fits with my own view that he will only take a job that he thinks 'fits' with his own philosophy and where he will be given the time and backing to get the club working the way he likes. He has the right to be picky about his next job as it's a massive decision for him and his team. He will want a lot of control at a club and some clubs just won't want to give him it.
Finish 3rd and in 3 semi finals in Ole's first full season and "it's coming" is it?
Ok.
1) A very high salary, in the region of €10m/year net + ample bonuses;
2) A number of people to be hired as his staff;
3) A number of impossible players to pursue (Casemiro, Pogba, Son, Kane)
4) A very long contract for the Italian standards, five years at least.
I would not believe all of that, really, but even at a fraction his case was impossible because of Juve’s present situation: aging and tired squad, too many expensive players under contract already, Covid impacting finances.
On the contrary, Pirlo comes very cheap and with the idea to keep this instalment going, maybe switching back to a more suitable 3-5-2 system without Sarri’s robotic instructions.
I think his backtracking was genuine in current context rather than opportunistic.
Cheers mate
We aren’t Spurs or Arsenal. If he does that again this season, he gets sacked. At least Lvg and Mourinho won trophies. It is hard to see United under Ole winning the highest honors, especially when this season he was lucky to even get into top four and the unusual amount of penalties we received this season. Ole will need a Ronaldo type player to save his job and win trophy. He is incapable of inspiring the team to take their game to the next level as top manager do. The Sevilla game revealed more of that to me and the champions league will just lead to more embarrassment. Unlike Pochettino, Ole will need constant warchest from the board to succeed. If we don’t get Sancho or a big name signing, even though we have a strong eleven, I can put money that Ole will fail next season.
United cannot find a better long term manager than this guy. If united board and ceo had a modicum of sanity, they would have appointed him along with a proper DoF this year. In couple of years time when Ole would leave we all will rue the time when manager like Poch was available and we let the opportunity go.
It will definitely come when we realize OGS isn’t the one to take us to the promised land, but by then some other employer will have hired Pochettino and we’ll be sitting there looking like mugs. Be it next May or Christmas, he won’t however be unemployed much longer I think. The managers get the itch, they will be so raring to go - even though covid-19 has changed things around and made the waiting a bit easier.
I am 100% certain Woody has been in contact with Poch during our last crap period (Burnley-ish) and told him to not take the next best opportunity, but since then we have played better and our immediate interest had to end. A bit like when Mourinho was hired after LvG, we all know the contact was established long before the Dutchman was sacked.
He still has to win a single trophy even after 10 years in management. United is not gonna appoint a serial loser, especially if he does not have any past connection with United.
Didn't he implode in his fifth year with Spurs? I mean he did well with them, but it's going to be a roll of the dice giving him all the control he wants.
Better than giving control to a clueless ex united player with even more clueless buddies in media influencing him from there. Respect them all as players but hate the way they all are trying to feed on the club.
He will never manage Barca. Never.
Man Utd need to feck off the idea of a long term manager. Which is one of the reasons I'm against this one. United need to learn how to be successful under different managers and not tie their entire fate to one man.
Mourinho actually got to the ‘final’ and brought home the trophies in his full first season
It’s really nothing to shout about.
But for his sake let’s hope he does better next season.
You're welcome. Adding that he never was in real consideration, though. It is a courtesy act to ask a number of managers, also to gauge the level of expectations and an external point of view about your situation. In fact, I just think Juve should pay Poch a dime for his consulting.
The other real candidates were Simone Inzaghi from Lazio as an Italian, young, on the up manager and, more at distance, Paulo Sousa for his ties with Marcello Lippi's golden period Juventus block.Maybe he should go to Norway or Sweden to win the league. Then he will be the right fit for United.
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What on earth is “learning how to be successful under different managers” - How is that even possible? - It’s literally impossible, unless you have a galaticos type scenario or a PSG scenario where you have a team of worldies and a merry go round of faceless managers who get let go after a year.
Yeah. Sorry. Don’t want that at my club.
It makes an embrassment of the club to keep changing managers year on year
Not a big fan of it either, but it's working pretty well for Chelsea and Bayern Munich, for example. There's a little turmoil every now and then and minor setbacks, but Chelsea has been in the mixer constantly for a while now despite changing managers all the time. And Bayern have had seven coaches since 2009 (not including caretakers and counting Heynckes twice) and have remained competitive internationally pretty much throughout that period.
How all the other great European clubs have managed it for the last 30 years.
I'm sorry, but you need to find another way to get over your daddy issues. The Manchester United manager/head coach should be here to get the best out out of the players on the pitch - not to hold your hand through the next 26 years of your life. Find a therapist instead.
If we sacked Ole tomorrow, we'd hire Poch instantly. No question. Who else?
Perhaps by having a well run club that has the structure in place so we're not at the mercy of a single manager and don't have to rebuild the team when the current manager is eventually let go?
And I don't think anyone is advocating getting rid of managers for the sake of sacking someone. But perhaps just getting rid of managers that fail to meet the club's objectives rather than showing too much loyalty to a manager who has flattered to deceive in the hope that everything ticks and we have another 20+ year reign.
It's just sensible planning. Find a manager that fits the club, set them objectives. If they meet them in season 1, raise the bar in season 2. Keep doing that until the only objective is to maintain the high standards. If they fail to meet the minimum expectations, get rid and find a manager that continues to fit the club and can potentially build upon the work of his predecessor, rather than tearing it all down and having to start again.
Or maybe he should have won something.
Such a simple concept that pretty much everyone fails to get.
O.....k that’s all good, but don’t see how it affects Man Utd
No other club that I can think of bar Arsenal haven’t had a manager in the hot seat for 20+ years either
Barca/Madrid always have galatico money
Bayern - Poach Dortmund and other smaller teams money
PSG - $$$ came along then rest js history
AC/Inter fell by the wayside in recent years and are no real threat anymore,
I’m sorry but in my opinion a club needs stability
Would a simple League Cup run really have changed your mind so much about him? How is that worth more than transforming Spurs into Champions League regulars (and one-time finalists) with great squad-management and attractive football? What are the trophies you expected Spurs to win?
Probably in the same way that Real, Barca, Juve and Bayern (the most successful clubs in the last decade) how done it.
No. A couple of domestic trophies or winning the league (when he finished third in a two-horse race) would have changed my mind on him though.
I think it's such a simplistic view. We all know that football is a game of luck and fine margins. Poch proved that he could have Spurs going toe-to-toe with sides with much, much bigger budgets over a full league season. He also proved that he could tactically outmanoeuvre better sides in the Champions League. To write that off because luck didn't fall on his side on a couple of occasions, I just can't understand that way of thinking.