Harry Maguire involved in incident with police in Greece - conviction nullified by appeal, full retrial pending

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Wouldn't be hearing that if this was Rooney. He'd be crucified. Beside, credible information? There is an official police statement, Greece isnt some third world country. He has been arrested and an official police statement has been released.
Innocent until proven guilty and all that kind of first world stuff?

I wouldn’t be crucifying Rooney either in this situation, let’s see what the actual outcome is first.
 

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Why are people calling for Pogba to be captain? He hasn’t shown anything suggesting he’d make a good leader. Add to the fact he has a transfer fiasco every year.
Am a big fan of his but he is unstable and would be stupid to make him captain. Shaw is such a crock, else I'd consider him . May be Matic or Bruno.
 

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No one is making excuses, but let’s wait until we get some credible information before we throw him to the lions? Do you not think?
Is there no middle ground between “making excuses” for him, and “throwing him to the lions”? I mean come on, he’s been arrested. On the balance of probability, he’s done something stupid. To cite “evidence” that he’s innocent, based on potential corruption in Greek policing, is as wrong as it would be to cite “evidence” that he’s guilty, based on the reputation British tourists have abroad.

As many have said, it is not beyond the realms of possibility that a group of guys in their 20s got into a fight after a night on the drink. That should not be misconstrued as “throwing him to the lions”, though. You can support the guy and hope this blows over, while also suspecting that he’s culpable in some way.
 
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Is there no middle ground between “making excuses” for him, and “throwing him to the lions”? I mean come on, he’s been arrested. On the balance of probability, he’s done something stupid. To cite “evidence” that he’s innocent, based on potential corruption in Greek policing, is as wrong as it would be to cite “evidence” that he’s guilty, based on the reputation British tourists have abroad.

As many have said, it is not beyond the realms of possibility that a group of guys in their 20s got into a fight after a night on the drink. That should not be misconstrued as “throwing him to the lions”, though. You can support the guy and hope this blows over, while also suspecting that he’s culpable in some way.
I certainly haven’t talked about “Greek corruption”.

Of course there’s the possibility he’s done something stupid - but until we get clear info on that, it’s very much innocent until proven otherwise.
 

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Why are people calling for Pogba to be captain? He hasn’t shown anything suggesting he’d make a good leader. Add to the fact he has a transfer fiasco every year.
Being a fan boy clouds people's judgement. No leadership qualities in him. Bruno will be next captain.
 

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Based on what I've seen in the thread I'm wondering if some of it (doing a runner and getting arrested again) was down to perhaps some misunderstanding due to language differences, if they were indeed in the police station.
You mean Harry and the lads thought the police were saying "you're free to go lads, just stay out of trouble" and were so overjoyed they ran out of the police station and then were confused as they were chased after but thought the police were just up for a game of tag and playful wrestling? :lol::lol:
 

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He looks bladdered in that video.. he wont be used to boozing. Hope hes ok and its not as serious as painted.. we cant afford two new centre backs!
Get smalling back And send Jones the other way
 

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I remember gullible fans and the Maguire astroturfing team praising him to the high heavens for his leadership.. because of his off pitch... theatrical antics.

You really don’t want that sort of behavior in your leadership, not any more in this day and age. Any monkey can see that.

Let’s see Ole graduate from his naïveté and make better decisions, just like how he learned to use Matic instead of prematurely judging him.
 

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Being a fan boy clouds people's judgement. No leadership qualities in him. Bruno will be next captain.
What qualities has Maguire ever displayed that Pogba lacks? What are these leadership/captain qualities that Pogba lacks?

He was labeled the leader by both manager and team-mates for the French national team that won the World Cup
 

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What qualities has Maguire ever displayed that Pogba lacks? What are these leadership/captain qualities that Pogba lacks?

He was labeled the leader by both manager and team-mates for the French national team that won the World Cup
Accept whatever version of Pogba that is (if in fact he does exist) has never shown up for United.

So let's just say for the sake of argument that they are both not up to the job and appoint someone else.
 

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Why are people calling for Pogba to be captain? He hasn’t shown anything suggesting he’d make a good leader. Add to the fact he has a transfer fiasco every year.
He has shown more leadership than Maguire even Lindelof does as well.

Fanboys... Worst type of fans.
Being a fan boy clouds people's judgement. No leadership qualities in him. Bruno will be next captain.
What is a fanboy? Always see the term used for Paul.

Is the last poster a Fernandes fanboy in that case...
 
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I'm surprised with some of the excuses some are coming up with for him. Imagine if this happened to Rooney while he was our captain, Rooney getting drunk involved in a fight attacking police attempting a bribe being arrested and spending two nights in a police station..
He would have been slaughtered.
Not sure if serious. Edit: Ahh, he had all his arrests after he left.
 

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As an American, I’m interested to see what the “assault” on the officer looks like. I don’t know how they do it in Greece, but here in the USA, cops can beat you with a baton for standing in the wrong place. Raising your hands in self defense to protect your head is an act of aggression.
All of that is changing though by any means necessary.

To Maguire dailymail is saying he also bribed the coppers.
 

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Just out of interest is the general consensus that this story is true? Or could it simply be a victim of serious embellishment or even an urban myth?
oh it happened alright.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...play-my-song-gerrard-told-police-1757476.html
I was 'gutted' that he wouldn't play my song, Gerrard told police
England player admitted punching man, according to witness statement
  • By Mark Hughes,
  • Crime Correspondent
  • Thursday 23 July 2009 00:00

A statement the Liverpool footballer Steven Gerrard gave to police after being arrested for his part in a bar brawl reveals that he admitted punching a man who refused to give him control of the pub's CD player.

The witness statement, which was read out at Liverpool Crown Court yesterday, showed that Mr Gerrard told police he threw three punches at Marcus McGee but only connected once. The England international told officers he was acting in self-defence, believing that he would be hit if he didn't punch Mr McGee first.

Mr McGee, 34, was injured in the Lounge Inn, Southport, on 29 December last year after a row over music.



Mr Gerrard, who was in the bar celebrating his team's 5-1 win over Newcastle United, told the officers he had spent the night drinking bottles of Budweiser and a "Jammy Donut" shot. He said that on a drunkenness scale of one to 10 he was a seven.

He said that he was reading a "music menu" when Mr McGee "grabbed my menu off me and said 'You are not fecking deciding what music goes on in here'."

Mr Gerrard continued: "When he grabbed it I said 'What's your problem, why can't I change it?' He basically said to me 'I am not putting your music on.' It was quite aggressive, and I said 'What's the fecking problem, why can't I put my music on? He said 'Because you fecking can't, you're not allowed.' "

Mr Gerrard, 29, said he was upset and "gutted" that Mr McGee would not let him choose the music. He told police that Mr McGee then stared at him through a gap in a partition wall.

The Liverpool captain said he wanted to sort the problem out so went back to speak to Mr McGee: "I didn't go over there intentionally to have another argument or start fighting. I was having a good night but I was gutted and just wanted to straighten it out with him."

Mr Gerrard said he then thought Mr McGee was going to attack him, adding: "He stood up quite aggressively out of his stool and I thought to myself, 'I am not going to be able to sort this out in the way I wanted.' I thought he was going to give me a smack. He was shouting back and I didn't know what he was saying but he started arguing and I thought he was going to hit me so that's why I threw a punch."

CCTV apparently shows that Mr Gerrard's friend John Doran struck the first blow, elbowing Mr McGee in the face, and a brawl ensued. Mr McGee lost a front tooth crown. Mr McGee said Mr Gerrard was "rude", "bad-tempered" and "aggressive", and attacked without provocation.

Giving evidence, Mr McGee, 34, told how he saw the midfielder approach him, but he did not expect any trouble because of Mr Gerrard's fame. Mr McGee also denied claims from the midfielder's barrister that he had planned to benefit financially from the incident by suing Mr Gerrard.

Mr Gerrard, who is standing trial alone after six of his friends admitted the charges against them, will go into the witness box tomorrow morning. He denies affray. The trial continues.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/jul/21/steven-gerrard-court-trial

Steven Gerrard 'punched victim with speed of a professional boxer'
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Liverpool captain faces trial alone as co-defendants plead guilty over brawl at nightclub in Southport


The Liverpool captain, Steven Gerrard, punched a man in a bar with the style and speed of a professional boxer during a row over music, a court heard today.




The England international allegedly "totally lost it" and launched an attack on Marcus McGee, a 34-year-old businessman, after the victim refused to hand over control of a CD player to the footballer, a jury at Liverpool crown court heard.

The court heard that the 29-year-old midfielder was with friends at the Lounge Inn in Southport, Merseyside, in the early hours of December 29, following his team's 5-1 trouncing of Newcastle, when he clashed with McGee, who was with another group.

The attack was captured on the bar's CCTV. Gerrard denies affray.

David Turner QC, prosecuting, said Gerrard asked McGee for a card controlling the CD player, by saying: "Here y'are lad. Give me that lad." But McGee objected to his attitude and the expression 'lad'.

Turner said: "Not many people on Merseyside, or indeed anywhere else would refuse a request from Steven Gerrard, but Mr McGee did.

"There can be no doubt that this refusal astounded Steven Gerrard. He walked away back to his party, but the CCTV evidence shows how much his mood had changed. He was no longer the centre of that high-spirited party.

"He was clearly walking round, pondering, musing over what had happened, about the man who said no to Steven Gerrard."

The prosecution say that six minutes later, he returned to the bar, approached McGee who was sitting alone at the bar and confronted him with the words: "Who the feck do you think you are?"

"Steven Gerrard had clearly lost his cool – he was very angry with Marcus McGee."

One of Gerrard's friends. John Doran, pushed McGee away and elbowed him in the face. The prosecution claims Gerrard then "totally lost it".

"Almost immediately after the blow from John Doran, in fact within seconds, Steven Gerrard joined in the attack with a succession of well-aimed uppercut punches, delivered with the style and speed of a professional boxer, rather than professional footballer."

Ian Smith, another member of Gerrard's party, joined in. Doran and Smith then kicked McGee.

Gerrard was pulled away from the fight by the bar manager and was restrained. McGee was seen with his face bleeding, as he sat at the bar with his girlfriend. The prosecution says the violent incident "must have been very frightening to those ordinary members of the public present in the Lounge Inn that night".

Turner described Gerrard as a word class footballer who is "a star". He added: "Wherever you go in Liverpool and indeed the world, there are little boys proudly wearing the Liverpool shirt with No 8 and the name Gerrard on the back of it.

"The prosecution do not claim Gerrard is normally an arrogant man or that he is a bully. But what we say is that, that night he just lost his self control and joined in an attack which should never have taken place. He let himself down."

When interviewed by the police later that night, Gerrard agreed there had been an exchange of words concerning the music but said Marcus McGee had been aggressive.

He said he had no intention of having a fight but when McGee stood up and they started arguing, he believed that McGee was about to hit him so he punched him on the side of the head. He thought he had struck the first blow in the fight and hadn't been aware of his friend striking him with his elbow.

Turner told the jurors it may be a case where CCTV evidence is crucial and possibly more use in deciding what happened rather than the recollection of witnesses.

"On this occasion, Steven Gerrard's fists, not his feet, did the talking. This was never self-defence in 100 years."

The trial continues.
 

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He looks bladdered in that video.. he wont be used to boozing. Hope hes ok and its not as serious as painted.. we cant afford two new centre backs!
Get smalling back And send Jones the other way
to a Greek prison?
 

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From the Telegraph's article:
  • The Manchester United captain was said to be facing a worst-case-scenario prison term of two years if prosecutors reviewing his arrest on the island of Mykonos pursue a charge on Saturday of aggravated assault.
  • The bribery offence was said to relate to one of the two other men who were arrested with him in the early hours.
  • "The policemen that intervened were secret police, in plain clothes, so it is possible that Maguire and his friends did not understand that they were police officers," one source close to the investigation claimed. "One of the men allegedly attempted to bribe the police when they were taken in the precinct.
  • "Paul Anast, a Greek legal expert and investigator, told Telegraph Sport that many cases of this kind get thrown out, but he added: "If it was not an accident and it was an aggravated result, it could be two years in jail. But if you are sentenced, you can appeal and will be released immediately, which is the law for anything like this under two years. You can then leave the country."
 

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What a feckin idiot. Hopefully he receives the same justice as any other drunken idiot would in this situation. No leniency for the rich and famous.
 

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What a feckin idiot. Hopefully he receives the same justice as any other drunken idiot would in this situation. No leniency for the rich and famous.
What happened to innocent until proven guilty. There’s absolutely no evidence he’s assaulted any police and this story stinks of bullshit.
 

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What happened to innocent until proven guilty. There’s absolutely no evidence he’s assaulted any police and this story stinks of bullshit.
Then hopefully he'll receive the same justice as any other drunken idiot innocent guy.
 

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Brawl is somewhat understandable...you get drunk and lose your head. But trying to bribe can land him in serious trouble.
 

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Brawl is somewhat understandable...you get drunk and lose your head. But trying to bribe can land him in serious trouble.
They don't like drunks or brawl in Greece or Spain from my experience and many cities don't even want seasonal party tourists and actively vote against it when they can and look down on it extremely hard both culturally and judicially. They even went to the extent of putting in civilian police on the strip for a reason after all. It's a free world but as the captain for MUFC and with all the strings attached, he should probably pick better R&R than some pre pubertal third rate shitshow like this and end up in court, lucky for him the bribe was by some other from his party seemingly. He is the 'Worlds most expensive defender' and not exactly incognito either. COMPLETELY avoidable, can't imagine how bad he must feel as he seem like a homely guy and not a George Best with natural born scandal to success genetics. I was all for him being captain and all but he doesn't seem to have earned it just yet. Perhaps time to give it to someone like Bruno?
 

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The Guardian headline - " Harry Maguire- How did model professional end up in custody in Greece".

Not sure what the BBC headline is, the story is not on their front page. "Who is the cutest cartoon animal of all time" takes pride of place there.

You guys moan about transfers not getting sorted but your PR team are a bunch of killers!
 
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