Indeed. And judging by his behaviour during PMQs, he will not answer their questions anyway.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
What's more of a mess? The PM's plan or that shitly written tweet? This is why I hate news being reported via Twitter.
Also, he sold this in the manifesto as a great deal. Oven ready. It is the Tories deal FFS. Now they are saying it threatens the country and we must defend the country against their own deal.
Had to read it three times.
As parliament is deemed sovereign and can introduce any law they like, tomorrow Johnson will introduce a Bill to parliament declaring himself President of the USA, Emperor of Japan and King of the Fairies. "We no longer care about International Law" declared Johnson. "We've taken back control!"
Braverman is taking a mauling in the Observer/Guardian today...
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-suella-braverman-for-wrecking-uks-reputation
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-suella-braverman-for-wrecking-uks-reputation
That's partly true, all over the world!
Isn't the UK already in breach of International law on sovereignty over the Falklands? Isn't China building a 'dummy' island in the South China sea so that it can claim territorial sovereignty in breach of International law ? Aren't the Russians knocking off their dissidents with biological weapons that can kill thousands of innocent bystanders, all over the world, in defiance of International laws?
I can understand the EU getting 'miffed' with Boris over wanting to re-write the fine print in the WA, even though the UK has always took the view that 'nothing is agreed until everything is agreed', but going on about international laws as though these were never defied by various countries when it suited them, is equally OTT!
I suppose this craziness will continue right up to the deadline then both sides will either suddenly find a way out of the maze, or go over the cliff edge together like Thelma and Louise!
It has nothing to do with being miffed. There is no value in agreeing anything with someone like Boris Johnson.
Yes, that's probably true, a bit like his hero Churchill he likes to keep opponents 'hopping from one foot to another' and both were men who brought guns to knife fights. I suppose leading the Tory party, duplicity is a prerequisite attribute.
Well there's duplicity and then there's agreeing something and signing that agreement in writing and then claiming it isn't what it is. In my personal life I wouldn't entertain any sort of continued contact with someone acting like that, and I have no clue how anyone else can work around that. Why even discuss anything in the future when the outcome of those discussions are worthless because the other side is inherently dishonest?
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The UK may be regarded as a bit eccentric but despite its flaws over the years it was regarded as a country with some honour and respect. Cummings and Johnson are destroying the UK's reputation for a pointless exercise. This will never become law, it will never be acceptable in the international community and it certainly won't help in negotiating trade deals with the EU or having negotiations with anybody else.
The UK doesn't need enemies, their biggest enemies are in their own government and they've convinced the gullible Brexiteers to cheer them on.
The only country going over the cliff edge would be the UK. I still don't get (apart from media brainwashing in the UK) how British people think the EU will be affected by a no deal in remotely the same way as the UK.
Do you really want the UK to be known in he same classification of countries as Russia and China?
The UK may be regarded as a bit eccentric but despite its flaws over the years it was regarded as a country with some honour and respect. Cummings and Johnson are destroying the UK's reputation for a pointless exercise. This will never become law, it will never be acceptable in the international community and it certainly won't help in negotiating trade deals with the EU or having negotiations with anybody else.
The UK doesn't need enemies, their biggest enemies are in their own government and they've convinced the gullible Brexiteers to cheer them on.
The only country going over the cliff edge would be the UK. I still don't get (apart from media brainwashing in the UK) how British people think the EU will be affected by a no deal in remotely the same way as the UK.
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I think the other issue is that the UK is breaching an international treaty that is less than a year old, was negotiated in good faith and was pushed for by the UK as a fantastic deal for the country.
Taking China for example, it is different to their actions, which involves them creating bases and artificial islands to take advantage of the Convention of the Law of the Sea and claiming territory as a result, and the Falklands, where the UK and Argentina have competing claims in international law.
Taking China for example, it is different to their actions, which involves them creating bases and artificial islands to take advantage of the Convention of the Law of the Sea and claiming territory as a result, and the Falklands, where the UK and Argentina have competing claims in international law.
That is the age old tale of the strong bullying the weak, this time you seen to have picked in somebody your own size.
With @Frosty: do you really think any of those examples are equivalent/comparable to breaching an agreement in which the UK was one of only two parties involved, that's only one year old, that involved long and painful negotiations, and that only very recently was celebrated by the very same UK government as a success? They can't even say that they are correcting the mistake of a different government!
I think we already are!
Only when we are making silly/idiotic gesture or moves and/or we are not doing what we are told, otherwise we are corrupt Imperialists bent on keeping an Empire going!
That's true, but we have them just the same!
Really, the same size as the EU, my goodness, I thought we were just some offshore island, too big for our boots!
It won't. And in a few short months, those gullible people you referred to are going to have to face up to the reality of their actions.
It makes zero sense to fall out in a major way with one of your biggest trading partners especially one so close by and who we share such history with.
Leaving the EU is bad enough. But showing such scant regard to our honesty and integrity and rule of law is overstepping what is acceptable.
This government is taking the UK into a very dangerous place.
I don't see any end goal here that makes economic sense for us, nor a strategy designed to get us there.
Unless the tories always wanted the hardest of possible Brexits, ie no deal, despite having no mandate for it, and the torching of all our international relationships, despite having no mandate for that.
It is bewildering and nobody voted for this manipulative, lying shite. They have to be kicked out.
We don't need a Churchill, this isn't war, we need a Bismarck.
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The UK contribute a much smaller proportion towards the EU economy than the EU contributes towards the UK economy.
If we go over the cliff together, they will have a safety rope and we will plummet.
I pretty much concur with all of this post.
Actually, someone much bigger!
Who also makes up 43% of our exports.
"The EU, taken as a whole is the UK’s largest trading partner. In 2019, UK exports to the EU were £300 billion (43% of all UK exports). UK imports from the EU were £372 billion (51% of all UK imports)."
Sadly the majority of these people are so entrenched, no future issues will ever be accepted as being down to Brexit.
At this point it seems like the equivalent of the Tories simply pushing the self destruct button on the UK economy.
Regrettably. They strongly believe that the 80 seat majority gives them a mandate to do whatever they choose. All I can hope for is that this unilaterally breaking of the Withdrawal Agreement becomes a step too far. But realistically that is unlikely to happen.
Yes, in total terms that is true, but for some individual EU countries/industries being denied free access to the UK markets will be devastating, Ireland in particular, and the fishing dispute will for some be devastating as well. The truth is nobody benefits from a cliff edge scenario and hence all politicians in the UK and EU have to find someway forward, some sort of fudge, that suits nobody but gets all the politicians off their own Petard.
Boris has a slight advantage in that he doesn't have to test overall public opinion in a GE for 3 or 4 years and has the cover of Covid to help explain shortfalls in the economy. Not so in many EU countries, Ireland's economy is of course the obvious first casualty, in that respect. Boris can get away with 'huffing and puffing' for a while, maybe get some sort of basic deal or another extension (in all but name) but if he pi**es-off too many hard core Brexiteers his whole agenda for moving forward, especially with reaction/responses to Covid will be threatened, even with a seemingly untouchable 80 seat majority.
Knife edge stuff all the way... so who will bring a gun to the knife fight?
His immediate test is getting the Bill through the Commons. It looks like he is going to have a sizeable rebellion to deal with.
Brexit: Geoffrey Cox says PM 'damaging' UK's reputation with bill https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54142845
Yes, it will be interesting to see what sort of rebellion he does face in the end and whether his 'night of the long knives' in the last Parliament, when he slung out 20-30 rebels, has had any impact. Tories are renowned for their 'survival instincts'.
I actually think this is playing well for Boris. They now have the opportunity to pull it so as not to damage the EU talks further whilst still getting credit from the brexiteers for trying to fight the EU.
If they go through with it they're fecking mental.
If they go through with it they're fecking mental.
He's alienating more moderate Tories and how can he pull it without losing face in front of the rabid Brexit-supporting right? I can't see any way in which this approach can be considered successful.
I don't think Johnson cares what the Brexit voters think anymore or anyone else for that matter. They've served their purpose, got Brexit through and got Johnson elected to PM.
Next step is to make money for his mates. The results of Brexit will range from very bad at best with a good deal to catastrophic with no deal and international law breaking.
When it all goes wrong which he expects , 2024 GE will still be a long way off.
Next step is to make money for his mates. The results of Brexit will range from very bad at best with a good deal to catastrophic with no deal and international law breaking.
When it all goes wrong which he expects , 2024 GE will still be a long way off.
He doesn't need to appease the quiet moderates, they stay loyal despite the shit show of recent years. The right of his party will just happily gas-light themselves and rationalise it as a negotiation tactic that the stupid remainers ruined.
At this stage the brexiteers have done so much contradictory thinking that it's pointless expecting them to ever question those delivering brexit. They want the win and they'll focus on that. To be honest for that very reason i'm more convinced than ever that the best response to the referendum result would have been to just let them get it done because remainers saying they wanted xyz just meant leavers automatically found no win in it. Could it have turned out any worse if everyone had just let them get on with it?
They've got the win ultimately, it's just a question of how pyhrric it ends up. I think we'd have ended up where we are, more or less, regardless. The nationalist red lines, eg fisheries and state aid, plus the Northern Ireland problem were always going to be issues regardless, particularly the latter. Maybe we'd have gotten to this point quicker I guess.
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Excellent. Love to watch Boris squirm (he looks so happy to be there).
I see 'the good Tories' were all off sick again.
Meh... to Borris, this is his success.
Only a failure if you think their goal was ever leave with some sort of reasonable deal in place. I've not seen any evidence in their actions over the last few years to support that assumption.
Only a failure if you think their goal was ever leave with some sort of reasonable deal in place. I've not seen any evidence in their actions over the last few years to support that assumption.
Its not a spaghetti western mate. Its that kind of misconception/simplification and bluster that has got us into this mess.
Yes, Ireland and the UK will be the biggest losers in this. But the EU as a whole will be much less impacted than the UK from a no deal, international law breaking, hard brexit. You think other trading nations are going to trust our word now and be keen to make agreements with us?
I don't see how it is an advantage that Boris "incompetence" Johnson and more dangerously, Cummings do not have to test public opinion for 4 years. That is why the situation has degraded so quickly.
The "cover" of Covid as you describe it will not neutralise negative effects stemming from a no deal Brexit, if anything it will be a double blow on the UK with the negative effects lasting for at least a decade. The fact you see this as an advantage implies you value positive PR or spin around Brexit more than the realities facing the country? Or am I reading you wrong?