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[Buster15]

And people actually vote for Boris. Getting roasted here:

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Quite a powerful performance from Milliband. And how uncomfortable did Mr Boris Bumble look sitting there. He had no answer at all. As normal.

 

[sun_tzu]

Quite a powerful performance from Milliband. And how uncomfortable did Mr Boris Bumble look sitting there. He had no answer at all. As normal.

to be fair i would have at least expected something along the lines of "I am well versed in the protocol and indeed I re-read it over a bacon sandwich at breakfast with the best British Bacon that I wont let him and his remoaner friends in the EU blockade from other parts of the UK"
He should have phoned in sick like starmer and have let Gove do his usual playing to the commons as hes better at it than Boris
That said he got the bill passed and the plan is now presumably to find a way of signing up to the EU deal anyway but with some spin that hes now negotiated a premium oven ready deal (just over a week to the EU leaders meeting and the optics are in place for both sides to clinch a last minute agreement they can spin) - no way the bill comes back from the lords unnamed in that timeframe - infact it probably wont pass in the lords in its current format given the make up

Conservative 250
Cross Bench 179
Labour 176
Libs 88
non affilliated 51
bishops 26
Others 16

Its all just a distraction from whatever negotiations are actually taking place (both sides probably figuring out how they make both spin it as a win)

 

[Fluctuation0161]

to be fair i would have at least expected something along the lines of "I am well versed in the protocol and indeed I re-read it over a bacon sandwich at breakfast with the best British Bacon that I wont let him and his remoaner friends in the EU blockade from other parts of the UK"
He should have phoned in sick like starmer and have let Gove do his usual playing to the commons as hes better at it than Boris
That said he got the bill passed and the plan is now presumably to find a way of signing up to the EU deal anyway but with some spin that hes now negotiated a premium oven ready deal (just over a week to the EU leaders meeting and the optics are in place for both sides to clinch a last minute agreement they can spin) - no way the bill comes back from the lords unnamed in that timeframe - infact it probably wont pass in the lords in its current format given the make up

Conservative 250
Cross Bench 179
Labour 176
Libs 88
non affilliated 51
bishops 26
Others 16

Its all just a distraction from whatever negotiations are actually taking place (both sides probably figuring out how they make both spin it as a win)

The reality is, the Tory leadership are working hard to get a no deal Brexit.

https://inews.co.uk/news/tory-donor...sses-for-uk-firms-after-no-deal-brexit-322326

"Tory donor bets £300 million on losses for UK firms after no-deal Brexit"

 

[Maticmaker]

Its not a spaghetti western mate.

Sorry my friend that's exactly what it is, any day now I am expecting the theme tune from the "Good the bad and the Ugly" to be played alongside the news reporting. I know the subject is serious, but its gets to be hilarious both sides throwing 'knockabout stuff at each other.
They both need a deal a no deal is good for nobody at this stage!

You think other trading nations are going to trust our word now and be keen to make agreements with us?

Nobody trusts British governments word on anything and haven't done for years! Boris is just the last in a long line of PM's who have been duplicitous with their own people never mind other countries, its just that Boris can't help smiling whilst he's talking rubbish.

I don't see how it is an advantage that Boris "incompetence" Johnson and more dangerously, Cummings do not have to test public opinion for 4 years. That is why the situation has degraded so quickly.

Its an advantage to him, nobody else, that he's got 3/4 years grace and a stumping majority.

Our two party Parliament only works when one is within striking distance of the other, a few rebels, the odd bye-election, etc. Boris can put up almost any option he likes and he will guarantee some 50 votes out of his 80 majority. The other 30 who abstain or even vote against then go on TV and scream "this is not conservatism its bring us all down etc., play up and play the game man".

Labour and the other parties are in truth almost useless in this situation, most of the time Starmer has had enough sense to keep his head down to avoid looking/sounding like spoilt children who cannot get their own way with Mum and Dad

Its not a spaghetti western mate. Its that kind of misconception/simplification and bluster that has got us into this mess.

Yes, Ireland and the UK will be the biggest losers in this. But the EU as a whole will be much less impacted than the UK from a no deal, international law breaking, hard brexit. You think other trading nations are going to trust our word now and be keen to make agreements with us?

I don't see how it is an advantage that Boris "incompetence" Johnson and more dangerously, Cummings do not have to test public opinion for 4 years. That is why the situation has degraded so quickly.

The "cover" of Covid as you describe it will not neutralise negative effects stemming from a no deal Brexit, if anything it will be a double blow on the UK with the negative effects lasting for at least a decade. The fact you see this as an advantage implies you value positive PR or spin around Brexit more than the realities facing the country? Or am I reading you wrong?

You are reading me wrong, I'm saying all this makes good cover for Boris, he has got his oven ready excuses built in with the aftermath of Covid.

 

[Frosty]

Brexit: barristers question selection of legal team leading UK drive to override deal


The government is facing increasing scrutiny over its decision to use “committed Brexiteer” lawyers to provide advice on the legality of breaching the EU withdrawal agreement.

On Saturday, the attorney general, Suella Braverman QC, who chaired the annual general meeting of the Bar Council that represents barristers in England and Wales, faced repeated criticism over her role as the government’s chief legal adviser, according to those present.


Jessica Simor QC, the vice-chair of the council’s EU law committee, asked Braverman why “in the light of the extremely serious matters at issue, such advice [was not] sought from Treasury counsel, Sir James Eadie QC?”


Instead, she said, an opinion was sought from Guglielmo Verdirame QC, a professor of law at King’s College London, Richard Ekins, a professor of law and constitutional government at Oxford University, and Richard Howell, a barrister at Brick Court chambers in London.

The involvement of Verdirame, Ekins and Howell in advising the government was first revealed by the Guardian.

Simor said: “Howell is a one-year qualified barrister … who was also brought into the team for the prime minister in the prorogation case despite at the time being a pupil barrister. He was active in Vote Leave and was praised by Dominic Cummings in his blogs for his contribution to Vote Leave winning.

“The two professors are committed Brexiteers. Prof Ekins wrote a paper for [the thinktank] Policy Exchange, advocating breaching the withdrawal agreement. Verdirame is also a member of various high-level Brexit groups. He apparently has connections with Michael Gove and Dominic Cummings.”

None of the three, Simor said, were on the attorney general’s panel, which is a list of approved lawyers who normally carry out work for the government. Braverman was also asked who had instructed the three lawyers.

Verdirame was a member of the attorney general’s panel before becoming a QC. In 2015, he and Ekins co-authored a paper for the UK Constitutional Law Association advocating precisely the approach now adopted by the government.

It said: “It would be wrong for ministers to be required to treat international legal obligations, including unincorporated treaties, as of equal standing to acts of parliament or common law duties.” The government, therefore, knew their opinions before instructing them.

According to a report of the Bar Council meeting, tweeted by Alison Padfield QC, who was attending, the attorney general said it was the convention that law officers could not comment on the “content of advice” and therefore she could not say very much.

She added that Braverman said it was “not uncommon for law officers to seek specialist advice” and that she took her duties very seriously, put the rule of law first and politics second while always relying on legal authorities rather than opinions

The Guardian has not seen the advice she was given by the three lawyers and does not know its content.

In her separate advice to the Cabinet Office, revealed by the Guardian last week, Braverman argued that parliamentary sovereignty could, if necessary, override the UK’s international treaty obligations.

Another critic of Braveman, Philippe Sands QC, a professor of international law at University College London, told the Guardian: “What a sensible attorney general would do is get advice from someone who is genuinely at arms length to avoid criticism that they went to fellow travellers.”

There is no suggestion the lawyers were influenced by ministers when giving their advice.

Critics argue it would have been better for the government to seek advice from lawyers without views on the Brexit debate.

The Guardian asked the attorney general’s office why Ekins, Verdirame and Howell were instructed by the government to give an external legal opinion. It declined to comment.

The three lawyers did not respond to requests for comment.

 

[nickm]

So who will bring a gun to the knife fight?

The IRA, if "Boris" keeps going like this.

 

[Klopper76]

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[TheGame]

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[Buster15]

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Doesn't get much more clear than that does it. In Boris we trust??

 

[stevoc]

Only when we are making silly/idiotic gesture or moves and/or we are not doing what we are told, otherwise we are corrupt Imperialists bent on keeping an Empire going!

That ship sailed long ago.

 

[Foxbatt]

Could Bojo be playing a game? He has become PM promising brexit.
Now he can push all the way and blame it the Americans and the EU and say in these circumstances brexit can't be done and I did everything I could do as my manifesto.
He can become the man who saved the UK from Brexit.

 

[Fingeredmouse]

Could Bojo be playing a game? He has become PM promising brexit.
Now he can push all the way and blame it the Americans and the EU and say in these circumstances brexit can't be done and I did everything I could do as my manifesto.
He can become the man who saved the UK from Brexit.

No.

 

[nimic]

Could Bojo be playing a game? He has become PM promising brexit.
Now he can push all the way and blame it the Americans and the EU and say in these circumstances brexit can't be done and I did everything I could do as my manifesto.
He can become the man who saved the UK from Brexit.

Pretty much zero percent chance this happens.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Could Bojo be playing a game? He has become PM promising brexit.
Now he can push all the way and blame it the Americans and the EU and say in these circumstances brexit can't be done and I did everything I could do as my manifesto.
He can become the man who saved the UK from Brexit.

 

[Pexbo]

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[Massive Spanner]

Could Bojo be playing a game? He has become PM promising brexit.
Now he can push all the way and blame it the Americans and the EU and say in these circumstances brexit can't be done and I did everything I could do as my manifesto.
He can become the man who saved the UK from Brexit.

 

[Maticmaker]

He can become the man who saved the UK from Brexit.

That should have been Theresa May's response when she failed three times to get the original WA through Parliament... too much water under the bridge now!

 

[Maticmaker]

That ship sailed long ago.

Not according to some, we are still behaving like imperialists (i.e. wanting Brexit), or ... we are some times referred to as "Capitalist running Dog's" (for the Americans apparently!)

 

[stevoc]

Not according to some, we are still behaving like imperialists (i.e. wanting Brexit), or ... we are some times referred to as "Capitalist running Dog's" (for the Americans apparently!)

Oh no doubt some idiots still think the British Empire is alive and well. Though we live in a world where some people still think the earth is flat. So it really shouldn't surprise us when some believe shit that just isn't true.

 

[MikeUpNorth]

Boris Johnson bows to Tory rebels with Brexit bill compromise

 

[Fluctuation0161]

Sorry my friend that's exactly what it is, any day now I am expecting the theme tune from the "Good the bad and the Ugly" to be played alongside the news reporting. I know the subject is serious, but its gets to be hilarious both sides throwing 'knockabout stuff at each other.
They both need a deal a no deal is good for nobody at this stage!



Nobody trusts British governments word on anything and haven't done for years! Boris is just the last in a long line of PM's who have been duplicitous with their own people never mind other countries, its just that Boris can't help smiling whilst he's talking rubbish.



Its an advantage to him, nobody else, that he's got 3/4 years grace and a stumping majority.

Our two party Parliament only works when one is within striking distance of the other, a few rebels, the odd bye-election, etc. Boris can put up almost any option he likes and he will guarantee some 50 votes out of his 80 majority. The other 30 who abstain or even vote against then go on TV and scream "this is not conservatism its bring us all down etc., play up and play the game man".

Labour and the other parties are in truth almost useless in this situation, most of the time Starmer has had enough sense to keep his head down to avoid looking/sounding like spoilt children who cannot get their own way with Mum and Dad



You are reading me wrong, I'm saying all this makes good cover for Boris, he has got his oven ready excuses built in with the aftermath of Covid.

Ha! I see. Maybe it requires more of a Laurel and Hardy theme.

Even Tory rebels aligned with all the opposition parties can't stop the government moving to break international law. It is bordering on a dictatorship when all 5 living previous Prime Ministers, from both parties, condemn a bill but it still gets pushed through anyway.

 

[Raulduke]

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[Buster15]

Could Bojo be playing a game? He has become PM promising brexit.
Now he can push all the way and blame it the Americans and the EU and say in these circumstances brexit can't be done and I did everything I could do as my manifesto.
He can become the man who saved the UK from Brexit.

Boris does not play the long game. It is clear to anyone that, at best he is a tactical thinker. He is reactionary and this is demonstrated by the number of U turns he is now famous for. And the fact that he was both in favour of and against Brexit just before the vote.
Strategic thinking requires a different mindset. And that is why he is such an incompetent leader.

 

[Simbo]

Latest HMRC guidance for businesses received this morning isn't beating around the bush, get ready for a clean break basically.

Not looking forward to the admin side of these customs declarations and however the feck postponed-vat accounting is gunna work.

 

[Maticmaker]

Ha! I see. Maybe it requires more of a Laurel and Hardy theme.

Even Tory rebels aligned with all the opposition parties can't stop the government moving to break international law. It is bordering on a dictatorship when all 5 living previous Prime Ministers, from both parties, condemn a bill but it still gets pushed through anyway.

Yes Keystone Cops theme would go down well... with bits of the car falling off!!

The trouble is that is what happens when in a first past the post Parliament the country in a GE gives one party 80 seat majority. I'm afraid the truth is that the Labour party under Jeremy was unelectable, even to red wall voters, he and momentum will have a lot to answer for if we finish up with a Tory Government for the next decade, or even longer!!
Starmer has a hell of a mountain to climb and he's virtually powerless until the run into the next GE. Boris is digging himself a hole day by day, the best thing 'politically' that Starmer can do is let him get on with it... the worst thing (politically) he can do its to try to stop him digging; but can Sir Keir sit on his hands that long?

Yes, but all 5 were seen as 'remainers' so the Brexiteers in the Government or indeed in the country, are not listening. Personally I don't think it ever helps matters when yesterday's men/women get wheeled out on matters like this, reminds me of when I had to listen to my Grandad telling me "it weren't like this in my day son".
Of course I'm the Grandad now!

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Latest HMRC guidance for businesses received this morning isn't beating around the bush, get ready for a clean break basically.

Not looking forward to the admin side of these customs declarations and however the feck postponed-vat accounting is gunna work.

It is a clean break with or without a FTA. This guidance should have been issued the day the UK left the EU. Companies which trade with countries outside the EU should be familiar with procedures.
Having many years of experiencing arguments with the HMRC it would be novel if you came across someone from the HMRC who actually knew what they were doing.

I always found it funny that Brexiters moaned about bureaucracy due to the EU because from next year it's going to become horrendous for companies.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

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Heard that some Tory MPs are already starting to insult him.

Shouldn't be long before the EU take Johnson to court .

 

[Berbasbullet]

Heard that some Tory MPs are already starting to insult him.

Shouldn't be long before the EU take Johnson to court .

Yep the lady that replace Dominic Grieve was abusing him on Twitter.

Thing is he’s going to win, so what will the tories do then?!

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Yep the lady that replace Dominic Grieve was abusing him on Twitter.

Thing is he’s going to win, so what will the tories do then?!

I think it's too late, Johnson has just about killed off any chance of a FTA with the EU and probably the USA too just by tabling the bill. Any FTA has to be ratified by the EU parliament and by each country's parliament including regional parliaments and a USA FTA it has to be ratified by a 2/3rds majority in Congress whether Biden or Trump wins. At this moment there is zero chance of a FTA being ratified in either.

The Uk is run by morons but do the morons care? They'll blame the UK electorate for voting for them, just wait and see.

 

[Drifter]

Talks going well

Brussels hits back at Boris Johnson after he brands EU 'abusive'

The European Union has hit back at Boris Johnson’s disparaging claims about the actions of negotiators in Brussels during talks over a post-Brexit free trade agreement, pointing to a long track record of international treaties that were concluded in “perfectly good faith”.
Mr Johnson’s remarks came ahead of a warning from the EU trade commissioner that Britain must comply with the Withdrawal Agreement if it is to secure a free trade deal with Brussels.

The prime minister said his proposed breach of international law is a matter of “ring-fencing” the Brexit deal to stop EU negotiators making “abusive or extreme interpretations” of the provisions of the Withdrawal Agreement.

Meanwhile, presidential candidate Joe Biden issued a warning to the UK government that any future trade deal with the US is “contingent” on respecting the terms of the Good Friday Agreement preventing a hard border on the island of Ireland.

 

[Mr Pigeon]

Brexit has now cost more than the International Space Station
LSE estimates suggest the ongoing cost of Brexit could be two to three times greater than the impact of Covid-19.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/p...al-space-station/17/09/#.X2SCHWQ_BKk.facebook

But, yeah, hooray for taking our country back or whatever the feck it is. We've not even hit the part where this hurts us either, we're just getting started.

Really, really, REALLY pisses me off that Scotland voted against this shite and is getting dragged down as well. Same can be said for a lot of places in the UK. I genuinely wonder how many people who voted for Brexit have died of old age already. Not trying to be a dick but, well...

 

[FireballXL5]

Brexit: NI told to start work on checkpoints at sea ports

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-54207178

Good luck with those.

 

[Jippy]

Brexit has now cost more than the International Space Station
LSE estimates suggest the ongoing cost of Brexit could be two to three times greater than the impact of Covid-19.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/p...al-space-station/17/09/#.X2SCHWQ_BKk.facebook

But, yeah, hooray for taking our country back or whatever the feck it is. We've not even hit the part where this hurts us either, we're just getting started.

Really, really, REALLY pisses me off that Scotland voted against this shite and is getting dragged down as well. Same can be said for a lot of places in the UK. I genuinely wonder how many people who voted for Brexit have died of old age already. Not trying to be a dick but, well...

Wtf is that? It's a ParcelHero comment piece dressed up as a news story. Is The London Economic supposed to be a serious title? I don't know it.

 

[Mr Pigeon]

Wtf is that? It's a ParcelHero comment piece dressed up as a news story. Is The London Economic supposed to be a serious title? I don't know it.

Ooft, yeah you're right. I'll get back in my box. Ffs Jippy we can't all be clued up on media sources like you Sun boys are

 

[sun_tzu]

Brexit: NI told to start work on checkpoints at sea ports

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-54207178

Good luck with those.

Tenders for the work at a number of sea ports have just been made public and bids are to be made by later this month.

Then what a month or so to review and award / negotiate the contract... a month stand off period and then what 4 weeks to actually build it

Not gonna be in place for 1st jan that much seems certain

 

[Tarrou]

Wtf is that? It's a ParcelHero comment piece dressed up as a news story. Is The London Economic supposed to be a serious title? I don't know it.

real talk though if 'space station' was on the ballot too you'd have voted for it

 

[Fluctuation0161]

real talk though if 'space station' was on the ballot too you'd have voted for it

I never liked the I in ISS.

Take back control of the next British Empire, space, the Farage frontier.

 

[Nani Nana]

I never liked the I in ISS.

But you like the SS?

This is how Nazi Germany started.

 

[Jippy]

Ooft, yeah you're right. I'll get back in my box. Ffs Jippy we can't all be clued up on media sources like you Sun boys are

I get their stuff in my inbox tbf.

real talk though if 'space station' was on the ballot too you'd have voted for it

If moving to the space station was in power was an option, I'd have voted for that.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

But you like the SS?

This is how Nazi Germany started.

True. It is a Slippery Slope (SS).