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the guidelines for schools is within two metres next to someone for 15 minutesWhy is she not allowed to isolate?
the guidelines for schools is within two metres next to someone for 15 minutesWhy is she not allowed to isolate?
I’m not sure dying fits the definition of asymptomatic.they'll keep going up because we are testing more and more. remember there are thousands of asymptomatic people in the positive test and the death counts.
DamnMy ex girlfriends brother died recently of Covid. Age 31. No underlying health conditions.
Certainly a stark reminder.
Why would she not be allowed to isolate? Sorry if this sounds like a pedantic question, but I am not too versed in the current UK situation.My mum works at a school with 21 people off. She’s above 60. Her TA went off today and they’ve been sharing stuff all week. Confirmed case for the ta. She’s not allowed to isolate.
With this many people off, if everyone who had come into contacts with the infected people were isolating - the school would close.Why would she not be allowed to isolate? Sorry if this sounds like a pedantic question, but I am not too versed in the current UK situation.
Yeah I don't get that. I can't think of many jobs at all where that would be a justifyable approach. In fact I can't think of any.Why would she not be allowed to isolate? Sorry if this sounds like a pedantic question, but I am not too versed in the current UK situation.
Surely that means they close the school then?With this many people off, if everyone who had come into contacts with the infected people were isolating - the school would close.
If schools were gonna close if this happened mate, there’d be plenty of closed schools already.Surely that means they close the school then?
I mean I think keeping schools open is vital but I wouldn't want to be responsible for a teacher or staff member dying because I told people to come in who I knew were in direct contact ith others while they had covid. Clsing the school for a week or two or limiting students wouldn't ruin anyone's life.
So, two school employees could have sex for ten minutes on property one day, you know, basic mish on a desk. Happens all the time in the movies. One of the participants tests positive for the virus later that day. Under UK guidelines, the other participant is not required to get tested or allowed to get tested? Makes total sense.the guidelines for schools is within two metres next to someone for 15 minutes
Round here there is one closed and several others have told some classes to stay home for 2 weeks or are teaching some students remotely so they can keep at risk people at home wheh nthey aren't sure its safe.If schools were gonna close if this happened mate, there’d be plenty of closed schools already.
Keep in mind that isolation/quarantine is to protect other people from her, if she's deemed a close contact. If she's not viewed as close enough to quarantine now, but she develops any symptoms then she still stays home and orders a test. Daily temperature checks these days should probably be part of her routine there, just in case.With this many people off, if everyone who had come into contacts with the infected people were isolating - the school would close.
Doubt the government will allow that. They'll just set a minimum opening time or something surely.Read today that some pubs in England will open at 03.00 to get around the early closing thing.
Close at 22.00, send them home a bit and then welcome them back at 03.00 again
Read today that some pubs in England will open at 03.00 to get around the early closing thing.
Close at 22.00, send them home a bit and then welcome them back at 03.00 again
The opening times law is 05:00-22:00 so any pubs doing that will be shut down.Doubt the government will allow that. They'll just set a minimum opening time or something surely.
Fair enough.The opening times law is 05:00-22:00 so any pubs doing that will be shut down.
Doubt the government will allow that. They'll just set a minimum opening time or something surely.
Thanks, seems like a swedish newspaper mixed up pm and am after taking from this article :The opening times law is 05:00-22:00 so any pubs doing that will be shut down.
Sorry to hear that. I assumed they would have been in that level of proximity if they shared a classroom together? Definitely a case to be made for reducing risk?the guidelines for schools is within two metres next to someone for 15 minutes
I think the elephant in the room is the re-opening of schools & universities. Going on nights and out and visiting will pale into insignificance compared to the impact that schools will have on the transmission of the virus. It's a necessary evil as children need some form of normality, but with the increased contact that setting provides, the government need to balance against restricting others. Easier said than done sadly.Infection rate wise I just don't see how we're going to do much to even slow things down when people can still go on nights out and visit each other's homes as normal. Quieter offices and earlier closing hours are really marginal differences compared to the effects of mixing social circles in indoor environments, no extra protective barriers at all for higher risk people, etc. I just don't really understand what we are doing. It will be a couple of weeks at most I reckon before the goalposts have to be moved again, and by that point we'll have been costing people their lives again. I do think it's important to maintain a quality of life but life wont be much fun for anyone if we end up in full lockdown for months in the middle of winter. Most people who suffer with social isolation also aren't exactly in a position where the are able to invite 5 people round their house every day to help keep them company.
Test and trace should have told them to shut with 21 cases! My kid's school closed after 2 cases because one of them was the dinner lady.With this many people off, if everyone who had come into contacts with the infected people were isolating - the school would close.
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What do you suggest they should have been doing exactly? I'm in that category, and while I have clearly seen there was an iceberg on the horizon, I'm not part of the crew. There's absolutely nothing people in my position (most of us, really) can do but hope for the best.... Said it a coule of months ago and still think it's true but a lot of the people who were enjoying their time since March were being extremely short sited/selfish and not opening up their eyes to what was going on or what they could have been doing to help. This country has too many people in it willing to ignore the bigger picture for marginal self convenience, unfortunately, but I suspect the next 4-6 months wont be very convenient for most people and will be unbearable for many unless the less unfortunate ones start actually looking out for neighbours, colleagues, etc. It's easy to blame the government but you have to remember they are a product of the people who voted for them and a lot of them frankly are as bad.
Infection rate wise I just don't see how we're going to do much to even slow things down when people can still go on nights out and visit each other's homes as normal. Quieter offices and earlier closing hours are really marginal differences compared to the effects of mixing social circles in indoor environments, no extra protective barriers at all for higher risk people, etc. I just don't really understand what we are doing. It will be a couple of weeks at most I reckon before the goalposts have to be moved again, and by that point we'll have been costing people their lives again. I do think it's important to maintain a quality of life but life wont be much fun for anyone if we end up in full lockdown for months in the middle of winter. Most people who suffer with social isolation also aren't exactly in a position where the are able to invite 5 people round their house every day to help keep them company.
I'm feeling quite bleak about it all :/ ...main hope I can see that would make a big difference is if a lot more people really band together to help each other through it this time, rather than ignoring everything outside of their bubble. We'll get trough it either way but things like this will make it so much easier for the people who will find it the hardest.
In Scotland, at the Universities where the outbreaks are, most the classes are still held remotely. That didn't stop the students being told they needed to be physically present for the classes and living in halls.Outbreaks like this are mental. Hard to see how schools and universities can continue to run unless classes are held remotely.
It's not that long ago when pubs opened at 5pm or 6pm and closed at 10.30 very day. This open all day thing is not something that's always happened.Read today that some pubs in England will open at 03.00 to get around the early closing thing.
Close at 22.00, send them home a bit and then welcome them back at 03.00 again
The government fecked it up horribly. We are an island, Brexit Britain an independent nation as Boris the clown loves to tell us. We didnt shut down borders and deal aggressively like nz and Australia did? If we had done instead of pandering to conservative instincts we’d be way better off. It makes me emotional to think about (I was stranded on a boat with one other person for 8 months so missed a lot of it), just how many people they have killed and lives they have ruined. And Corbyn would have done no better, he’d probably have blamed the Jews and incited lynch mobs like in the 14th century Black Death.We're at the point now where the economic effects/consequences of people being at home instead of in workplaces can't really be hidden or avoided anymore, and as the government has already made clear,, it isn't possible to just prop up millions of jobs with support schemes indefinitely. At this point they have to pick and choose where they want to provide lifelines and in a few month time they wont even be able to do that. That increases the strain on the welfare system and unfortunately that's where this government is going to let people down horribly and create a world of suffering. They didn't even want to give food to poor chldren remember.
A lot of people who have "enjoyed" (idiots) the past 5-6 months are now facing another 6 months of isolation from their workplace, except at a point where the cracks of home working are really going to appear, and will be worsened by the colder weather, lack of daylight hours, job losses, thin wearing patience from employers and colleagues, etc...and unfortunately with the case numbers as they are it's going to swing back very quickly to home working being a safety requirement rather than being a convenience/cost saving. It wont be long as well I think until general socialising will also be curbed significantly.
Said it a coule of months ago and still think it's true but a lot of the people who were enjoying their time since March were being extremely short sited/selfish and not opening up their eyes to what was going on or what they could have been doing to help. This country has too many people in it willing to ignore the bigger picture for marginal self convenience, unfortunately, but I suspect the next 4-6 months wont be very convenient for most people and will be unbearable for many unless the less unfortunate ones start actually looking out for neighbours, colleagues, etc. It's easy to blame the government but you have to remember they are a product of the people who voted for them and a lot of them frankly are as bad.
Infection rate wise I just don't see how we're going to do much to even slow things down when people can still go on nights out and visit each other's homes as normal. Quieter offices and earlier closing hours are really marginal differences compared to the effects of mixing social circles in indoor environments, no extra protective barriers at all for higher risk people, etc. I just don't really understand what we are doing. It will be a couple of weeks at most I reckon before the goalposts have to be moved again, and by that point we'll have been costing people their lives again. I do think it's important to maintain a quality of life but life wont be much fun for anyone if we end up in full lockdown for months in the middle of winter. Most people who suffer with social isolation also aren't exactly in a position where the are able to invite 5 people round their house every day to help keep them company.
I'm feeling quite bleak about it all :/ ...main hope I can see that would make a big difference is if a lot more people really band together to help each other through it this time, rather than ignoring everything outside of their bubble. We'll get trough it either way but things like this will make it so much easier for the people who will find it the hardest.
Why would they cover their rent for them?No doubt they’ll have to carry on paying rent
Apology accepted, we all say pretty dumb stuff on here at times tbh.edit: apologies for ramble, it’s just horrible.
Most of the students were encouraged to return to campuses when it was completely predictable that something like this could easily happen.Why would they cover their rent for them?
They weren't forced though? The outbreaks that I've read from universities own statements (both Scotland and UK based unis) have been due to parties within the halls. There needs to be some level of responsibility taken here, and not put back on the university. This pandemic should emphasise that the selfish actions of a few have a compounding effect on the many.Most of the students were encouraged to return to campuses when it was completely predictable that something like this could easily happen.
Now you’ve got thousands of 18 year olds away from home, paying huge amounts of money just to sit in blocks. Reports of police outside blocks and issues like can’t even get food in because they can’t leave the flat, can’t get testing because most can’t drive.
I get your point, but this pandemic wasn't new news when they got their results in August. Personally I would have taken a year out to see what happens before going to university, as it was painfully obvious to anyone that course delivery was going to be very different.. However that is the choice that those individuals decided to take. Rent and tuition are two different things & not mutually exclusive. Tuition for me is a strong argument for a reduction, as to deliver an online course means lower overheads. Accommodation is fair game for full payment.What makes it worse is the fact that most courses are completely online, but some students only found once they’d signed accomadation contracts. They don’t need to be there, they’re rent should be reduced or not taken, or atleast have the option to cut short they’re contract if this carries on
Exactly, the pandemic was not new. The Universities have had months and months to plan how the next year would look like. They should have communicated this early to the incoming cohort. Then the students would have all the information prior to starting and booking there accommodation. Instead Universities have a vested interest in students moving onto campus so they can go ahead and charge their stupidly high rent. Why have the universities encouraged students onto campus when they can complete their courses online? Atleast until the winter months are oThey weren't forced though? The outbreaks that I've read from universities own statements (both Scotland and UK based unis) have been due to parties within the halls. There needs to be some level of responsibility taken here, and not put back on the university. This pandemic should emphasise that the selfish actions of a few have a compounding effect on the many.
I get your point, but this pandemic wasn't new news when they got their results in August. Personally I would have taken a year out to see what happens before going to university, as it was painfully obvious to anyone that course delivery was going to be very different.. However that is the choice that those individuals decided to take. Rent and tuition are two different things & not mutually exclusive. Tuition for me is a strong argument for a reduction, as to deliver an online course means lower overheads. Accommodation is fair game for full payment.
I also heard that Government would consider not allowing students home for 4 weeks of Xmas holiday if Covid-19 numbers are out of control.Universities have absolutely pulled off a massive scam en masse encouraging/rushing their new students to sign up for halls, knowing full well the courses would be mostly online by default, with the option for almost every course to be fully online. And they did it purely for financial gain since they either own their freshers' accommodation or have big stakes in the companies that provide it.
Students turning up for this semester in brand new cities with no on-site learning, no in-person contact time, student unions basically shut, no night clubs and pubs shut at 10pm. There's gonna be a tsunami of depressed students trapped in their dorms by November.