You won't be saying that when Mancunians are dying in overflowing field hospitals because everybody now thinks its ok to ignore the government.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
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You won't be saying that when Mancunians are dying in overflowing field hospitals because everybody now thinks its ok to ignore the government.
I don’t know. Cases doubled from the start of August to the end of August. It’s increased 7 fold since then. The curve was relatively flat before that. I’m no expert though, I just wouldn’t believe half baked explanations from politicians on that.
He stood up for what was right, and what he believed in, and he was completely right to do so. Those extra bodies are all on Boris, not Burnham.
It certainly has nothing to do with the schools being open, or Universities. It also has nothing to do with being encouraged back into the workplace, or eating out to help out. That upwards curve if solely my fault for having a chat in my neighbours garden.
So are the gym's staying open then?
Looks like it.
I said we'd see above 20k on cases due to the reporting lag, same could be applied with the deaths. It'll pick up to about a 150 daily average this week.
Closer to 180 IMO
Thank god for that.
Calling it now that Manchester will be the first area in England to go back into full lockdown, with non-essential shops shut and more or less everything closed.
I honestly think it is right now. Don’t know exact stats but it has to be more than half looking at what people are saying.Blimey is Poland really that bad?!Think U.K was estimated at 30% of people who were reluctant to take a vaccine for whatever reason.
The Manchester situation swings both ways, by not enforcing further restrictions straight away things get worse but I certainly agree with him in a few ways.
Restrictions don't go far enough to stem the flow imo.
At the same time, a considerable portion of population live pay check to pay check.. 67% of a paycheck.. + in missing out of tips. For some people that's rent but not food
Government are cnuts but guess who'll win the next general election.
Restrictions don't go far enough to stem the flow imo.
At the same time, a considerable portion of population live pay check to pay check.. 67% of a paycheck.. + in missing out of tips. For some people that's rent but not food
Government are cnuts but guess who'll win the next general election.
If you're a Tory you're a bad person.
Not the tories if brexit goes the same way as the pandemic
not sure why I even used if tbh
He has to fight this. Liverpool got £44m which works out to about £29 per capita.
Lancashire got £42m which works out to about £28 per capita.
In contrast £60m offered for Greater Manchester would be about £21 per capita.
£79m would be the equivalent figure for Greater Manchester. So that 80mil figure he asks for is right.
Now the government have gone down to £22m which is less than £8 per capita.
No he's not, Cummings is a level cnut on his own.
Not to mention the money Jenrick has given his constituency.
This'll save the gov a fair bit of money when the inevitable spread of tier 3 shutdowns come about. You'll get what you're given, say thankyou and then shut the feck up. Can't have jumped up local officials begging for money, such oiks need to be made examples of.
What's this extra £22m for?
There were grants and loans available in the first lockdown, but most employers did not top up their employees pay - what's to say they will now? Or, is it money available to businesses so they can afford to keep going, so when we come out of this they can re-employ/remove people from Job Retention Scheme?
There were grants and loans available in the first lockdown, but most employers did not top up their employees pay - what's to say they will now? Or, is it money available to businesses so they can afford to keep going, so when we come out of this they can re-employ/remove people from Job Retention Scheme?
He stood up for protecting his votes. If he cared about anything else he would not have been so vocal and so public with it all.
I'm glad the government has made an example out of him. Regional government needs to reminded this situation is not a vote winner to be played with. If we don't have a central strategy to deal with the virus we will never get the better of it.
Central strategy we are making it up as we go along.They were literally asking for exactly what you want a central strategy for all places going into tier 3 to get 80% of their salary if they are forced to close.
You underestimate Cummings.
So was it Burnham who ignored his own scientists in mid September? Did he also send the University students back into halls?
Give it a rest mate.
I'm fully aware governments have and will continue to get it wrong, few moreso than the UK. But countries need to stay together and plan as a collective or there is no chance. Various regions and councils (and the media) arguing and undermining is guaranteed to only end one way.
The more I hear of Sturgeon the more she sounds like she is on some mad power trip.
Then it seems to me that, sans public reasoning to the contrary, Manchester should have been afforded the same funding as other areas undergoing similar stresses. If we're supposed to all be in this together and acting as a collective what the hell is central government doing playing favourites?
Also, you're glad he's been made an example of? Who do you think is going to suffer more through less funding being made available, Burnham or the poor feck who's job or business just vanished?
Arguments over funding are secondary and should not detract from the main issue. Burnham has been on every news station that will have him in an effort to undermine the government and the lockdown strategy as a negotiating tactic. I am glad other regions have been shown that approach wont work.
I manchester getting less money then other places in tier 3 then?
We'll have to see if anything else comes of the Manchester saga but it does look like Andy cut his nose off to spite his face. Walked away from 60m offer and from what the BBC have reported other councils that have 42-44m will have it dealt out the same way and Manchester was 22m plus 50m something initially, totaling ~75m according to the BBC, which went to around 80m today but he still refused to deal and now we have just 22m. It's not as clear cut as Manchester was only getting 22m while others were getting 44m that was misleading. The package would've been around 70-80m. Lancashire package is 42.
With just 22m I wonder if GMP,, business and the councils dare to keep things open and get the 70-80m back on the table. Hospital admissions are at the highest here so it's a mess all round. We all need to cooperate on this.
With just 22m I wonder if GMP,, business and the councils dare to keep things open and get the 70-80m back on the table. Hospital admissions are at the highest here so it's a mess all round. We all need to cooperate on this.
Are you only reading headlines or something? It’s like you’re living in an alternate reality.
It’s not ‘get a deal, or bluff and get nothing’
He costed a plan. His request was denied. The Tories got snitty and took away money.
It’s almost like these deceitful swines negotiate in bad faith....
Its honestly a sad state of affairs reading some stuff on here and twitter, when a man is slated for sticking up for the lowest paid in society.
I sometimes feel like the Britain i grew up in is slowly disappearing and we are becoming a nasty inwards looking society.
Some people should honestly take a hard look at themselves god help them if they ever need help.
I sometimes feel like the Britain i grew up in is slowly disappearing and we are becoming a nasty inwards looking society.
Some people should honestly take a hard look at themselves god help them if they ever need help.
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How are arguments over funding secondary? Even in countries with far worse economies than ours, many have tried to mitigate the economic impact to some extent by government backed handouts, at least in part due to the knowledge that lockdowns won't necessarily work if people are starving/ worried about paying their mortgage or rent.
Not to mention that, even if that line of argument is true, the Tories have seemingly offered less than what they were offering previously. So one has to assume that what they were offering previously is what they deemed to be what Manchester needed. They're not punishing Burnham by reducing the amount, they're punishing the citizens of Manchester.
Do we have the costing of where Burnham wanted to spend the money? Both the 22m, and his original demands of whatever?
Measures to contain the virus are the primary focus at this point. It's not July anymore, case numbers and hospitalisations are becoming deeply concerning. Agree containment policies first, then look at the economic measures. Burnham has been happy to very publicly focus on money over containing the virus and has tried to turn the people of Manchester against the government.
They have pulled the rug out precisely because of Burnham's approach to the negotiations. After all, everybody else has managed to come to an agreement. There will be many more lockdowns over the next few months and the government can't have every local council playing this game.
France with 20k cases and 262 deaths. 146 yesterday.
Firstly Manchester has been in a Tier 2 status with businesses taking big hits for a long time now. It was reported by the government that the hospital capacities were near full, but MPs stated that’s no different from any other year in this season. When you look at London and the Mayor complaining about being in Tier 2 and asking for the 10pms curfews to be scrapped when we’ve been living in this for months is absolutely laughable and shows how different northern areas are being treated to London.
Containment policies should be discussed at the same time as economic policies, the economy being destroyed brings just as many problems as an infection rate growing. Why the hell you would agree to containment policies before someone has guaranteed you a package that will keep your civilians livelihoods existing is beyond me...ridiculous statement.
This whole fiasco has been anything but putting priority on containment anyway, how god damn slow this government has responded to things is all about the economy and money, if it was so seriously about the containment the whole country would be in full lockdown a month back after listening to scientific advisors.
Hitting them in the pocketbook might be one of the quickest ways to affect quick change in a flare up.
It was mentioned after the press conference today on the BBC. £22m allocated to test and trace, the balance is for business support.