That was a complete and utter shambles yet again today. A half decent manager in charge and we win comfortably against a woefully average arsenal
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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How long before it all goes tits up in the Champions League?
This is true. For me Ole was always a stop gap, sort out the squad for the next manager, he clearly isn't good enough to be the long term man for us. I think he's done his part at this point, but now comes the awkward bit, because he will be losing his job in the near future, and I just want it to come at point where he can leave on a positive note, but that just seems unrealistic now.
We are still the same as ever unfortunately, great against teams who give us space for the counter, poor against everything else.
I'd count the Leipzig match as good changes made to effect the game, which I guess, is tactical nous.
But if we want to be negative, we were once again camped in our own half for the first 45, and barely did anything in the 15 minutes after.
Bar the goal, I was bored out of my mind.
Is that what is considered a good performance for us? Park the bus for a half, barely any chances, dull, enduring, and come alive for the final 25?
We're very well placed in our group. Wednesday could go either way as you just never know with us.
Ultimately, I think we'll get out of the group but won't progress much after that.
The man most puzzled by this whole thing is the man with the fancy overcoat, a certain Julian Naggeslman. He would be wondering what on Earth is going on? How come he got unstuck against this same side?
Feels like the walls are closing in on Ole.
He needs points. And quick.
He needs points. And quick.
Even Moyes is above us.
I know mate, if I was a player having a bad game and looked over at him just sitting there, I’d probably just carry on doing the same thing. If the manager shows no urgency or enthusiasm why would the players.Idk why but this also bothers me. Where is the passion? He doesn’t have to be SAF but show that you give a damn.
Only time I see him go to the touch line he just claps his hands and tells Shaw to “come on”. In his head he must think “nice one, that should do it”.
He must have some motivational techniques in him somewhere, he needs to show them soon otherwise he’s sleep walking into getting sacked.
How can people still call opinions on Ole kneejerk when he’s been here for 100 games now?
Two of our ex managers are ahead of us.
I thought he made some good changes which totally killed them. It wasn't a fantastic first half but we contained them and had a few half chances. The way we finished left a good feeling though which I enjoyed. That was until I came on here and saw the small time OTT wild celebrations which were mostly done as petty point scoring, if we're being honest.
The Newcastle one for me was mental. We were utter wank until Ole introduced DvB and Pogba and we had a good last 20 minutes. Yet the wild reactions on here and revisonisnmn about the match was twilight zone esque. I had posters telling me we were brilliant for 90 minutes and blew them away. One even told me it was one of Ole's best ever games. I mean, talk about twisting of facts. I don't particularly think any of this is good enough and the fact Ole - as Manchester United manager - needs threads made about him after winning matches we should be winning, speaks volumes about his reign.
Oles tactics are hit and miss.
His team selections and subs are almost always a miss.
He's not learning anywhere near fast enough. This squad is now better than our poor consistency.
If we have candidates that will get more out of this current squad in terms of consistent performance levels, better utilisation of the squad then I'm all for it.
We need a poll with the 10 best current candidates to see who the fans would want if Ole was to be sacked now.
His team selections and subs are almost always a miss.
He's not learning anywhere near fast enough. This squad is now better than our poor consistency.
If we have candidates that will get more out of this current squad in terms of consistent performance levels, better utilisation of the squad then I'm all for it.
We need a poll with the 10 best current candidates to see who the fans would want if Ole was to be sacked now.
Manchester United teams should never set up to play counter attacking football at old Trafford, we have always been an attacking team, there’s still too much deadwood in the team, awful result and performance, Ole is not the man to lead us forward , why wait, change it now!
I don't understand this laying foundation thing, don't misunderstand me mate I'm not saying that in a condescending way.
Can you tell me with conviction which manager would be the best fit to replace him based on the playing style (or lack thereof) we have, bcoz I don't know if we are a team that keeps the ball or are defensive counter based or high energy pressing team or anything else.
Yep, results usually define performances or rather the perceived performances. If we had won a penalty and won today while playing the same way we did obviously the reaction would be completely different.
The Newcastle and Leipzig result was overhyped. Clearly we were the better team but Newcastle and Leipzig (despite their unbelievable hype) were nothing special.
At the same time our performance against Chelsea wasn’t as bad as it had been made out, but somehow people expected us to beat them despite both teams having similar good teams.
Football in the end is about results. Of course ideally most fans want to get a win while also enjoying the game, but most would also not be happy if they enjoy most games but don’t win in the end.
At the moment I would just be happy about boring but professional 1-0 wins!
The late goals masking an unimpressive performance remind me of our good start under Mourinho in 2017/18. It looks good for a while but you need more than that in order for it to last.
I think there's some basis for the argument that he's built the squad well for someone else, but at the end of the day, no two managers are alike. Another one comes in, has a look at Maguire and says a slow CB isn't right for his style. Or that he wants an attacking right back - sorry AWB. And that's 130m down the drain - or two players which will force the new manager to adapt and play differently, which is obviously not what you want when you bring a new guy in.
A manager builds a team that is right for himself.
Remember Jose fans after he beat Juve away and ended their home record in Europe. The caf that entire week was obnoxious though these last 2 weeks come close. Both celebrating single game results in a competition we don't expect to win while we sit in the bottom half of our domestic league. Especially as the next disappointing display of inconsistency is always around the corner.
Even now you get the feeling we could beat Everton 4-1 then proceed to crap the bed in the next game with another toothless performance
Players struggling.
Players looking at the manager.
Manager still sitting on his ipad.
Players: Okay, what we're doing is fine.
Players continue struggling.
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Concede!
Manager rush to the touchline, standing around and cheering.
Players step up.
Point is, football is an emotional game. Having your manager standing on the touchline cheering and communicating with you gives you that added bit of morale support, it's like the manager is with you battling together in spirit. Disappointing, not for the first time our dearest manager decided to be lazy. Wonder where he pick this up. Maybe he's fed up being a United manager or some bs thinking he had wanting to be special so he must be different than other managers by sitting so to send the message of trusts to the players? But the players perceive it differently? Either way, I remember his first season, he was very active and energetic on the sideline.
So sad. Giving it your all is not only apply to the players, the manager as well should give it everything he got.
Players looking at the manager.
Manager still sitting on his ipad.
Players: Okay, what we're doing is fine.
Players continue struggling.
...
Concede!
Manager rush to the touchline, standing around and cheering.
Players step up.
Point is, football is an emotional game. Having your manager standing on the touchline cheering and communicating with you gives you that added bit of morale support, it's like the manager is with you battling together in spirit. Disappointing, not for the first time our dearest manager decided to be lazy. Wonder where he pick this up. Maybe he's fed up being a United manager or some bs thinking he had wanting to be special so he must be different than other managers by sitting so to send the message of trusts to the players? But the players perceive it differently? Either way, I remember his first season, he was very active and energetic on the sideline.So sad. Giving it your all is not only apply to the players, the manager as well should give it everything he got.
I cannot see the board sacking him even if we lose against everton. Knowing our history with Ole, we will go on another run. But ultimately would I be happy if come February we are again fighting for top4. I wouldn't. This is a shocking start to the season and fitness excuses need to stop now.
Doesn't seem to be any serious pressure on him. Ridiculous. He looks completely comfortable.
Sacking Ole will make you doubters feel better for a bit but then when you realise whoever is mad enough to take this job had to work with Woodward n Judge you will want them sacked too soon enough.
This cycle will keep spinning. People say eventually they will get it right. They won't because the people responsible for this decision are part of the problem. A big part.
Ole will be latest fall guy for Woodward n Glazers. Who is next? Poch? Allegri? Ancelotti?
This cycle will keep spinning. People say eventually they will get it right. They won't because the people responsible for this decision are part of the problem. A big part.
Ole will be latest fall guy for Woodward n Glazers. Who is next? Poch? Allegri? Ancelotti?
Hopefully we’ll be match fit by matchday 20
Aye, I thought of the Juve game alright during the week. It did remind me of that. I remember a thread made about Jose acting like a nob after the match to the Juve fans and the over kill hero worship he recieved.
I guess some lack the self awareness to see how obnoxious they come across. It's not their opinions, which I have no problem with, but how they to chose to convey them and their condescending nature.
There’s a low bar for our managers not to be sacked in comparison to other top clubs, 6 points from next 4 games will be enough to keep him plodding along. Champions League results will help his cause as well.
It’s inevitable this is his last season but I am sure he will be allowed to see it through as even if results are poor he won’t rock the boat.
Yeah say that to Hassenhuttl or Rose or Poch who absolutely has/ had nothing to spend on. Every manager don't need millions to make it work.
100 games in and he still doesn’t seem to have worked out his best system, formation and tactics.
I can’t see us stringing more than three wins in a row together this season to be honest.
Toxic Jose managed 93 league games with a 1.88 points per game ratio. Lost only 4 games at OT. Came 6th, 2nd. Also three finals, two trophies. 321m spent.
Got rightly sacked in the end.
Lovely Ole has managed us 65 league games with 1.73 points per game ratio. Lost 7 games at OT. Came 3rd. Also no finals, no trophies. 250m spent.
Will get sacked barring a miraculous turn around and rightly so regardless of him being an ex player.
Got rightly sacked in the end.
Lovely Ole has managed us 65 league games with 1.73 points per game ratio. Lost 7 games at OT. Came 3rd. Also no finals, no trophies. 250m spent.
Will get sacked barring a miraculous turn around and rightly so regardless of him being an ex player.
The same Poch many Spurs fans were saying time was up before he got the boot?
Not good enough to a team that has won 1 league Cup in quarter of a century but good enough for United?
This Poch to be the saviour stuff is BS. He's never won anything either and was shown up numerous times as Spurs coach. Even Ole got the better of him.
Aah, the 'no trophy' argument yet people want to stick with Ole . The irony !
Oh and Reguilon now has 3 assists and a goal already?
Whilst Luke Shaw has what so far this season?
Don't want to see Shaw play again at left back from when Telles is allowed to play.
Whilst Luke Shaw has what so far this season?
Don't want to see Shaw play again at left back from when Telles is allowed to play.
Ah the good old trophies argument. Let's get Lennon in. He's won tonnes of 'em.
The thing with Ole is that his contract expires at the end of this season. I don't think it's getting renewed, he won't get another Bruno to save his skin.
So why not agree a mutually beneficial separation for both him and the club and let Poch take over now to steady the ship?
If no manager was available, I'd say wait a season but the cost of removing OGS is so low and we have a ready-made replacement. I can see an argument for someone other than Poch but then the club needs to do a City or Bayern and announce our new manager mid-season.
So why not agree a mutually beneficial separation for both him and the club and let Poch take over now to steady the ship?
If no manager was available, I'd say wait a season but the cost of removing OGS is so low and we have a ready-made replacement. I can see an argument for someone other than Poch but then the club needs to do a City or Bayern and announce our new manager mid-season.
While I don't like Woodward I honestly don't know what he has to do with the current league form. We have a good team. Compare our main lineup to Arsenal's one today, absolutely no comparison. We're better than them in every position bar Auba. We have enough quality in the team to finally challenge for something big. What more do we need exactly ? A 120m Sancho ?
Really?
I get what you’re saying. I was 6 years old in 99 so my main childhood memories of Ole are mostly of him being a very injury prone bench player, so maybe im not as blinded by nostalgia as a lot of people.
Don’t get me wrong, I respect him massively as a man & a footballer. I remember being chuffed to bits for him when he got his first goal back after about 2 years out away at Charlton in 06. I just don’t think he’s tactically good enough to take us where we want to go. Everybody who is “Ole In” thinks every “Ole out” fan has a personal hatred for Ole but it’s not like that at all. He’s still a legend at the end of the day, and when he does eventually leave we’ll look back fondly at some of the great results we’ve had under him, but consistency is key & after 100 games we’re still as hot & cold as ever. I just don’t see us ever challenging under him.
He is 2 years in the job. It is a long time in modern game, actually it is long enough to be worried about not being able to break organised defence.
He has done some really good things, the team is looking better individually and more suited to modern game. I can actually see managers wanting to manage this team and the appeal to be that person who would get us back on top shouldn't be underestimated.
Would give him more time as this season is really inconsistent from many top clubs, but he has to improve and quickly/by the end of this year.
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