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Cavani gets 3 match ban from FA for his social media post
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What a disgrace. The decision of FA is as bad as racism. Pure ignorance. Orwell-like behavior. It is clear that Cavani was talking to his mate. How is this even a discussion is beyond me. Shame on you FA. We are with you Negrito!
For the love of Cantona...
My first post -- the FA have scored a spectacular own goal with this verdict. Just some establishment of credibility: I am a retired Uni professor having taught classes in Intercultural Communication, Spanish, Latin American business and culture, etc, my wife's Latin American (not from the Cono Sur region), I am from the UK, lived in umpteen countries, made the effort and time to learn to speak many languages, and so forth.
Cavani's conversation was with a friend, not in English, not aggressive, certainly not racist in that context, and broke no law that I'm aware of. The premise that it should be compared to the Suarez incident with Patrice Evra is absurd (aggressive, with a stranger, completely different context, etc).
The FA have said that they used a language expert witness. Who was it? Many other so-called expert-witnesses might view the incident differently.
I've been told by ex-colleagues in Asia, US, Canada, Europe, South America, Australia that they have either already used or plan to use this episode as a mini-case study in seminars and classes. The FA are being made a laughing stock and terms like 'cultural imperialism', 'arrogance, are being used to ridicule the FA verdict. It reflects poorly on Anglo-Saxon culture generally.
George Orwell's 1984, the Thought Police are issues that spring to mind. A case of PC gone much too far. How anyone can seriously defend their involvement in this issue defies belief.
Cavani's conversation was with a friend, not in English, not aggressive, certainly not racist in that context, and broke no law that I'm aware of. The premise that it should be compared to the Suarez incident with Patrice Evra is absurd (aggressive, with a stranger, completely different context, etc).
The FA have said that they used a language expert witness. Who was it? Many other so-called expert-witnesses might view the incident differently.
I've been told by ex-colleagues in Asia, US, Canada, Europe, South America, Australia that they have either already used or plan to use this episode as a mini-case study in seminars and classes. The FA are being made a laughing stock and terms like 'cultural imperialism', 'arrogance, are being used to ridicule the FA verdict. It reflects poorly on Anglo-Saxon culture generally.
George Orwell's 1984, the Thought Police are issues that spring to mind. A case of PC gone much too far. How anyone can seriously defend their involvement in this issue defies belief.
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Ffs not this again
I've gone round in circles so many times in this thread trying to explain things, I've given up!
It's like whack-a-mole, another poster pops up with shite like "he shouldn't have said it, end of!".
Man United forward Cavani receives CONMEBOL backing over FA ban
https://www.espn.com/soccer/manches...-cavani-receives-conmebol-backing-over-fa-ban
Apologies if already posted, couldn't see anything. So much support from South America, you love to see it.
Also, great post @RossoRotRojoRouge
https://www.espn.com/soccer/manches...-cavani-receives-conmebol-backing-over-fa-ban
Apologies if already posted, couldn't see anything. So much support from South America, you love to see it.
Also, great post @RossoRotRojoRouge
Gotta love your own ignorance. Read the official investigation into the matter and the word Negrito wasnt mentioned. Seems you've just aten the scouse narrative rawly that he said negrito. Also even if Suarez said Negrito, the context is what matters.
Latin Americans don't tend to stick together or stand up for one another very much. But even over in the Brazilian subreddit where I talk football you get sympathy for Cavani in this case, because people can mostly imagine being in his shoes a bit... getting punished for saying something in your own language that is in common usage and isn't racist. It feels like the furthest possible thing from justice.
Evening Antohan.
There was another reply to that question... "Those mestizos, who are not African black skinned (just a bit browner than the typical euro Argentine or Uruguayan or Chilean), usually gets the nickname "negro" "negrito", by his whiter friends.
For example, at my school in Chile (a British private school), the majority of students were european white skinned, but a few were mestizos. Those mestizos, would typically get the nickname "negro" or "negrito" pretty early in the school days (just as short people would get some nickname related to his height, same for the fat one, the ginger one, etc). If his name is for example, Carlos Perez, he would be nicknamed, "El Negro" Perez. Usually, the nickname sticks till you are an adult, specially with your childhood friends.
When used outside your friend's circle, talking about or to someone else you don't know, it will usually be as a pejorative."
Is that the case in Uruguay?
Exactly. The verdict beggars belief.
Glad to see that, but I doubt the fact that CONMEBOL is supporting Cavani will have any impact on the decision, sadly.
I'm pretty sure Orwell was opposed to controlling thought by controlling language...among other things
You're right, you don't understand what his statement meant. You're acting like he insulted the whole British culture or whatever.
It's easy to be outraged but the precedent was set by the Suarez incident.
Once they banned him for it then 'negrito' became a ban full stop. Doesn't matter the intent or context or anything else.
Just accept it and move on.
Once they banned him for it then 'negrito' became a ban full stop. Doesn't matter the intent or context or anything else.
Just accept it and move on.
No it's not. Please at least read the last page here.
Suarez didn't get banned for using negrito, mate.
How can you make such definitive statements, whilst being ignorant of what actually happened in the Suarez racism case?This is what really bothers me on the internet and social media these days. People are never even thinking about broadening their view and researching a topic by themselves first, they can't even take in information that is being spoon-fed to them.
This thread has been going on so fecking long I’ve lost track of the games he’s banned for. How many more will he miss? Do cup games count? When’s he back?
Against Burnley. Both League Cup and FA Cup counts
What I meant was the word negrito was associated with the Suarez affair. I'm well aware that negrito was the bullshit defence used by Suarez and co and I'm well aware of how it actually went down on the pitch, I was there at Anfield and watched it unfold in front of me for a start, I'm not being ignorant at all.
This is what really bothers me on the internet and social media these days. People are never even thinking about broadening their view and researching a topic by themselves first, they can't even take in information that is being spoon-fed to them.
The FA aren't the smartest tools in the box and they usually act in the simplest, easiest way. Therefore anyone using that word was always going to get banned, regardless of any form of context or intent.. The simplest and easiest way to avoid controversy to anyone but United fans was to ban Cavani for using that word. They can maintain a 'we don't condone the use of the word' stance and Liverpool fans don't get to moan that there's different treatments for different teams despite it being a completely different scenario.
It's really easy to understand why this happened, even if you completely don't agree with it. There's zero nuance involved so stop thinking about the nuances.
As for you @DoomSlayer , something that really bothers me on the internet and social media these days is people assuming that others don't broaden their view or do their research just because it doesn't fit their own. Pipe the feck down.
@matherto You keep on saying stuff as if you determine the truth. No, there are nuances and it's absolutely normal to talk about it. So I'm not going to pipe the feck down.
You're quite mistaken here in your comparison. The Suarez incident and verdict have almost nothing to do with this judgment and the Suarez case does not set precedent that can be used here. If it did, then Cavani would not have been sanctioned as the FAs ruling against Suarez was that his usage was intended to be abusive or insulting even though they acknowledged that 'negro' could at times be used inoffensively.
That being said, your position is supported by the Bernardo Silva ruling, which notes the impact of what was intended to be a friendly exchange being posted on social media where millions of viewers may not know the context and take offense.
It's fallen not bad this ban, we could have done with him tomorrow but we will get through it and I think we will have too much for Watford anyway.
Back for the league game at Burnley.
Back for the league game at Burnley.
Promote the professor.
this is the epitome of never admitting you’re wrong on the internet
Yup"After Suarez was banned for it "negrito" became an automatic ban"
"He wasn't banned for negrito"
"Eh what I meant was *Shakespeare novel*".
Just admit you got it wrong man
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South American football federation declares solidarity with Cavani.
As a fellow lecturer I must agree, definitely. The most terrifying thing is that these days you're seen as or even called 'uneducated' once you refuse to have your brain washed. Best example of al that shambles was when a female politician from Sweden's left said she's offended by obvious sexism in putting urinals only in male restrooms. Even better, I posted it here back then and a PC brigade attacked me saying it's perfectly reasonable!
As someone who people like to lecture I also agree.
Is there a link to that thread? I want to get angry tonight.
Couldn't be bothered to go through the Caf's archives, I'm trying to remember the thread's title, then it should be easier. Think it was back in the terrorism in Europe peak.
The guy who attacked me the most fiercely back then was so washed up you couldn't believe it. Said I'm a bastard for helping a lady with a heave bag etc.
I am indian, very far from a UKIP supporter, in fact I despise that party. I have suffered from racism my whole life despite being born in the UK. It is called cultural variation, whether we agree or not. I have travelled a lot with work and the one thing I have picked up, language is interpreted differently, everywhere I go. Like I said, I am no expert in Spanish, but I can understand the offence it may cause someone who does not understand the context. I have been called the P word openly in many different countries, it is socially accepted there. Does not mean I have to agree with or be called a UKIP supporter.
Well this make no sense. Thanks for your contribution.
What skin colour are you? It has noting to do with British culture specifically. I understand there is a different dialect, like I said, i do not claim to understand it. One thing for sure is there are many people that will interpret the N word differently. When you have X million followers, you need to have the brains to consider this. It is called sophistication. He can do what he likes in private. It didn't offend me personally, but I know people who are of a different skin colour that did not appreciate that one bit. That my friend, is called cultural difference.
I didn't say British culture did I? I said Europe. Do you understand the statement? Do you understand that people of colour may interpret that differently? Have you been called words before? As a newbie, you really need to learn some sophistication before you open your mouth.You're right, you don't understand what his statement meant. You're acting like he insulted the whole British culture or whatever.
Firstly, thank you for your response - the other responses I have had are truly pathetic but I like yours. I appreciate Argentina a lot, I lived in Boca and then Recoleta for 3 years whilst working there. I also took the ferry over to Uruguay and not once did I experience negative behaviour to the colour of my skin, hence I do not call Cavani a racist.
I do not have evidence to suggest the FA punishes everything, but one thing I know is that we have a huge problem with racism. Like I said, I do not claim to understand the meaning of the statement, but given over 60% of the global population is not white, do you not think that a lot of people may interpret that differently? That is all I am saying - unless someone wants to come out at the other angel and educate others on the interpretation. Diversity is a diverse subject, it swings both ways!