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The man is our best chance of reclaiming our former glory.The man has to go if we have any chance of reclaiming our former glory.
The man is our best chance of reclaiming our former glory.The man has to go if we have any chance of reclaiming our former glory.
You know you don't believe that.The man is our best chance of reclaiming our former glory.
Would generally agree with your 2nd paragraph, I think it’s got to be a solid top 4 finish with a marked improvement in play. Not a last ditch attempt after countless games where the result may as well simply be a flip of a coin.I'd make peace with that happening no matter what. The very people who said we'd struggle will now complain that we didn't win the league. If we won the league they'd say it was because other teams were off the boil. It's a self fulfilling righteousness that makes you wonder when they actually enjoy the sport.
Saying that I'm generally very pro ole, but stumbling over the line to 4th from where we were in December would be really concerning. 32 points or so from the last 42, with a cup would be good and would mean we could really enjoy looking back on the season barring a terrible blip
Back here again really? We just went full circle.How can we expect to challenge for the title without a title quality squad? Why do we expect United to do much better than Chelsea, Liverpool, Tottenham and Leicester without a significant better squad?
They closed it because they thought Ole is going to win the league .Is there an Ole out thread? I don't see any. As for the squad yes we have a better squad than most clubs. Certainly much more than enough to beat teams like WBA and Sheffield United.
Ya definitely the last third of the season will be key. Very few comfortable wins its true. 3 or 4Would generally agree with your 2nd paragraph, I think it’s got to be a solid top 4 finish with a marked improvement in play. Not a last ditch attempt after countless games where the result may as well simply be a flip of a coin.
That’s what concerns me, how many games in the league can you look back on this season and say the result was never in doubt, probably count on one hand.
For all the talk of champions winning scrappy, that’s in the minority of the games, not the vast majority...
It will be a while before we can reclaim our glory imho. Structural problems need higher authority to understand them and take actions to correct them. Will require Glazers to react, which they won’t. So it is what is no matter how painful it is for usThe man has to go if we have any chance of reclaiming our former glory.
Forget about the past glory. I would be happy if we win a trophy and be in the CL this season.It will be a while before we can reclaim our glory imho. Structural problems need higher authority to understand them and take actions to correct them. Will require Glazers to react, which they won’t. So it is what is no matter how painful it is for us
Sorry to clarify I didnt state any opinion on whether Glazers have done enough so far. All I wanted to say is current situation requires them to act.. and it always should start with manager of the situation ( Thats woodward)Forget about the past glory. I would be happy if we win a trophy and be in the CL this season.
As for the Glazers, they have spent a lot of money on the team. I really can't understand how Maguire and DVB came to United. On whose recommendation I wonder?
Nothing new, no constructive arguments = no need to reply.Back here again really? We just went full circle.
Our squad is miles better than Leicesters and Spurs ffs, as I said 12 hours ago, Spurs squad is so shit it looks likely to get another manager sacked, the second in 15 months, they picked up just 59 points last season.
And no-one expected a title challenge this season, so that’s just more strawmans to add to your basket.
It amazes me that people actually believe this. The height of delusion.The man is our best chance of reclaiming our former glory.
Are you trying to convince yourself?The man is our best chance of reclaiming our former glory.
I know, but I replied anyway.Nothing new, no constructive arguments = no need to reply.
You could really be describing the entire United forum with this post, sadly. Not many posters seem to be enjoy being a United fan anymoreNothing new, no constructive arguments = no need to reply.
Is he feck.The man is our best chance of reclaiming our former glory.
No, he is definitely not.The man is our best chance of reclaiming our former glory.
Do really 99% do a lot less than Ole has? You talk as if we had the shittiest team in the league and we are punching over our weight. We clearly have a top 4 squad (at least) in the league, and thats exactly where we at. I dont see any amazing achievement in that, its average.99% of managers inherit a shitshow and 99% do a lot less with it than Ole has. You don’t see progress, okay, but many of us do.
I rarely find us dull to watch. Lucky me, I suppose. But we’re not the finished article and I don’t think a reasonable person expects the finished article yet, is the point.
Very debatable that one about Tuchel, some may say this United team was second the season before and only needed some peace in the dressing room to start punching again while Chelsea had a major crisis with one year without signigs followed by another of failed signings such as Kepa, Timo and Havertz. At the end of the day the so called crisis of ManUtd was the dressing room turning against Mourinho. Thats was it, its not a big deal really it happens quite often in several teams.There are varying degrees of shit show though obviously. Tuchel for example hasn't inherited one. In fact he has come in to an enviable position. A manager taking on United today wouldn't be getting a shitshow IMO. I personally don't feel that this was the case with Ole. Our squad needed a lot of work and the club needed to be stabilised. It was a hot mess.
Don't you think that kind of facts speak for themselves, I mean what does it say about a manager that had 10W and 3D and suddenly hits a rough patch and the pressure starts? I think its because those people were always doubtful but the results kept them quiet. As soon as the results are gone the doubts rise.The problem is that our fanbase have now become very reactive to what really only amounts to small pockets of results. We have hit a rough patch, but its only very recently that we were on a run of 10W & 3D and everybody was either satisfied (to the point of giddiness) or just not posting. Right now the view is that everything is falling apart and change is essential. Its one extreme to the other.
I agree with the difference being how we perceive progress, if we were second because we improved then he'll yeah progress. If we end second because other teams fall behind then no.Ultimately it comes down to how an individual perceives progress. If we end up 2nd this season that is undoubtedly progress in my view, and if we keep reaching semifinals at the same rate we will very likely start to win some of those trophies, maybe even a lot of them.
What does long project means? Isn't every manager a long project? I mean they all sign for more than one season. Besides interim managers pretty much every other manager signs for around 3 year. I think long project is mentioned here as some kind of excuse to dont expect anything in the short or medium term because this is a long project. Fortunately for us it doesnt work that way, results are expected always doesn't matter if this is a short, medium or long term project.I just dont get the constant need for evalution. Every soundbite coming out from the club since Ole day 1 has been 'long term project', and that is what this is. So far its pretty clear that the club feels that this project is on course, and I personally agree with that point of view. This is football though, so success or failure is always on a knife-edge and quite often down to very small and often uncontrollable moments, and lately we've been on the wrong side of those moments. Like 99% of all teams we arent good enough to not be affected by those incidents.
This forum has just become one giant drama queen though. People can't possibly just enjoy the season, with all of its ups and downs, and evaluate things at the proper time, which in this case is in May
I’m enjoying it more, that’s good enough for me.Do really 99% do a lot less than Ole has? You talk as if we had the shittiest team in the league and we are punching over our weight. We clearly have a top 4 squad (at least) in the league, and thats exactly where we at. I dont see any amazing achievement in that, its average.
To say 99% managers would do a lot less is overreacting to say the least. To call the finished article is absurd, when can you call a team the finished article besides when they win everything? Every single window teams buy and sell players, it never ends. Talking about a team in the making as if we were somehow in a different situation to other clubs is absurd.
Please detail the progress you see, Im serious. We have a way worst defensive record than last season and in attack we still depend on Bruno to create some magic. Why do you think there's clear progress? Please don't reference Mourinho's last term, we all know that was shitty and thats why he was sacked, I'm referring to progress from last season under Ole.
We’ll find out before too long.No, he is definitely not.
You didn't answer any on my questions. But well then please don't call progress just say you enjoy it more than before and thats enough for you.I’m enjoying it more, that’s good enough for me.
No he isn't. He hasn't even managed to do what Mourinho did yet let alone reclaim our former glory.The man is our best chance of reclaiming our former glory.
You're probably right. They like to keep recycling "top" managers like Tuchel, Mourinho and Conte.If Ole left the club tomorrow, would any Premier League side seriously hire him or is that curtains for him in England? I don't think he's got the tactical nous to negotiate a relegation battle and none of the top teams would want him.
I feel this is meant as sarcasm but Tuchel is right on our tail, Mou is one of the most successful managers ever (and is easily our most successful post SAF manager) and Conte is properly elite.You're probably right. They like to keep recycling "top" managers like Tuchel, Mourinho and Conte.
My point is that a top manager is not always the only answer. Otherwise we'd have been successful under prior "top" managers like Mourinho and Van Ghoul. What we need more is investment in the squad. Lindelof is terrible, and we still don't have a proper RW (i like Greenwood but he's really a sub material). Also need a CDM. We could bring in a Tuchel but this squad isn't winning the EPL or UCL.I feel this is meant as sarcasm but Tuchel is right on our tail, Mou is one of the most successful managers ever (and is easily our most successful post SAF manager) and Conte is properly elite.
My point is that a top manager is not always the only answer. Otherwise we'd have been successful under prior "top" managers like Mourinho and Van Ghoul. What we need more is investment in the squad. Lindelof is terrible, and we still don't have a proper RW (i like Greenwood but he's really a sub material). Also need a CDM. We could bring in a Tuchel but this squad isn't winning the EPL or UCL.
Not sure tbh, but the answer isn't hiring another top manager for now. Do you really think he's the one that pushed for VDB? Doesn't seem like it.Again is Ole the right guy to give this money to though considering he bought Maguire who hasn't solved any problems and also bough VDB who can't get a game
That's the "top" manager Conte who is currently leading the Serie A, yes?You're probably right. They like to keep recycling "top" managers like Tuchel, Mourinho and Conte.
He's a good manager, not saying he isn't. What i'm saying is that if we just replaced Ole with Conte we'd not be in any better position. City would still have a far superior squad and would be above us.That's the "top" manager Conte who is currently leading the Serie A, yes?
I'm sure he wasn't his first choice, but it doesn't mean he didn't push for him once it was clear other options (like Grealish) were off the table.Not sure tbh, but the answer isn't hiring another top manager for now. Do you really think he's the one that pushed for VDB? Doesn't seem like it.
Surely we’ve learnt from previous managers this is 100% not the time to throw money at more players? We have a good squad and we need to start treating managers meritocratically - they have to earn the right to spend vast sums on players.My point is that a top manager is not always the only answer. Otherwise we'd have been successful under prior "top" managers like Mourinho and Van Ghoul. What we need more is investment in the squad. Lindelof is terrible, and we still don't have a proper RW (i like Greenwood but he's really a sub material). Also need a CDM. We could bring in a Tuchel but this squad isn't winning the EPL or UCL.
Mourinho's reign was generally poor. 2nd place and the Europa League is really nothing to get excited about.