Why the heck #OLEOUT is trending again?

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He's a good manager, not saying he isn't. What i'm saying is that if we just replaced Ole with Conte we'd not be in any better position. City would still have a far superior squad and would be above us.
City also had a superior squad to Liverpool two years ago, but Liverpool still pushed them all the way (I'm putting aside City's drop in Liverpool title year).

It would probably take something special to beat this City, but it can be done. Except we're just settling for good.
 

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City also had a superior squad to Liverpool two years ago, but Liverpool still pushed them all the way (I'm putting aside City's drop in Liverpool title year).

It would probably take something special to beat this City, but it can be done. Except we're just settling for good.
I just think our main issue is the lack of quality in the starting 11. That's our main impediment. So i'd rather focus on that for now.
 

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My point is that a top manager is not always the only answer. Otherwise we'd have been successful under prior "top" managers like Mourinho and Van Ghoul. What we need more is investment in the squad. Lindelof is terrible, and we still don't have a proper RW (i like Greenwood but he's really a sub material). Also need a CDM. We could bring in a Tuchel but this squad isn't winning the EPL or UCL.
You are correct when you write "top". Because niether was a top manager at that stage. It doesn't mean there's anything wrong with looking for a top manager. Just that you need to look deeper and not just at past success and list of trophies.
 

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I just think our main issue is the lack of quality in the starting 11. That's our main impediment. So i'd rather focus on that for now.
I don't believe the coaching is good enough. Yes, the starting 11 needs additional quality, but I also doubt Solskjaer being the one to get it spot on with his signings and fitting them all in.
 

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Not sure tbh, but the answer isn't hiring another top manager for now. Do you really think he's the one that pushed for VDB? Doesn't seem like it.
The signing that works out is the manager's, and the one that doesn't is Woodward's.

Cavani for example was primed and ready to be Woodward's signing, until he started playing well. And then he was an Ole masterstroke.
 

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We all shout about a DOF. Then when we get a quality player it becomes that the manager didn't want him, if he isn't delivering. DVB is a quality player. Ole should get the best out of him. No one is going to come into a new league and deliver instantly unless you give them game time.
 

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The signing that works out is the manager's, and the one that doesn't is Woodward's.

Cavani for example was primed and ready to be Woodward's signing, until he started playing well. And then he was an Ole masterstroke.
In the larger scheme of things, these intricacies on whose signing it was shouldn't really matter. Cavani has slotted in well into a team managed by Ole. I think we need to start seeing the club as a collective.
 

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Why the hell should it not be trending is my view.
We were unambitious and drew with a very beatable Liverpool. Lost to a brutal Sheff Utd team. Drew with Everton having been in control. Drew with West Brom.
4 very poor results.
 

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It doesn't help that Leipzig were absolutely pathetic against Liverpool.

We should NOT have been knocked out of the Champions League by them.
 

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In the larger scheme of things, these intricacies on whose signing it was shouldn't really matter. Cavani has slotted in well into a team managed by Ole. I think we need to start seeing the club as a collective.
Seeing the signings as a manager’s signings versus Woody’s signings has been a way to absolve our managers of blame from all the way back to Moyes, and still being used in the current day.
 

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It's kind of crazy how far we have fallen that we are on course for 73 points in the league and about to play Europa League round of 32 after getting eliminated from the cl and yet the mood around Ole is pretty positive. I like Ole and he has done some nice things but he's been here a while now & we are nowhere near being a top team
It’s a bit depressing when you see it laid out in black and white like that, that even with the most productive player in the league, we’re on course for 7 points more than we had last season. That’s not even counting the CL group that we should have gotten out of after the position we were in, and now we’re back in Europa league as well.
 

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We all shout about a DOF. Then when we get a quality player it becomes that the manager didn't want him, if he isn't delivering. DVB is a quality player. Ole should get the best out of him. No one is going to come into a new league and deliver instantly unless you give them game time.
Ole gave him game time and he didn't perform, so he has to wait for another chance. Not that I'm blaming him but he started in that loss against Istanbul that ultimately decided our fate, he was largely invisible. Same with Mata, he had a shocker and made a mistake, got shelved, and now people with short memories are questioning why he's being frozen out.
 

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It's why I've been maintaining my stance that if Ole wasn't a former fan favourite as a player, he'll have been binned a long time ago and idiots wouldn't even be saying he needs more time and chance.

But it's ok, apparently shit football and hoping either Rashford/Pogba/Bruno bailing us out is progress.
Why would he be binned ? Every manager we have binned from Moyes to Mourinho, has been when we didn't achieve top 4 .. Ole did it last season, he might do it again this season. Unless we buy a good striker, RF and DM, we are not challenging
 

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Why would he be binned ? Every manager we have binned from Moyes to Mourinho, has been when we didn't achieve top 4 .. Ole did it last season, he might do it again this season. Unless we buy a good striker, RF and DM, we are not challenging
If your expectations is competing in the Europa league and getting top 4, sure he has achieved his goals.

Top 4 is what the club is aiming for and it seems most fans are satisfied with it anyway. The shit football on display doesn't matter, because Top 4 is all that matters.
 

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If your expectations is competing in the Europa league and getting top 4, sure he has achieved his goals.

Top 4 is what the club is aiming for and it seems most fans are satisfied with it anyway. The shit football on display doesn't matter, because Top 4 is all that matters.
The title is what matters, and we have improved our way of playing so there's that. Let's see if we can be 2nd without having a 19 pts gap first, and we will go from there.
 

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You didn't answer any on my questions. But well then please don't call progress just say you enjoy it more than before and thats enough for you.
If I enjoy it more, it is progress. That’s what it’s all about. But honestly, 2nd in the league, top scorers, bossing possession, creating good chances, all better. We were even top of the league halfway through the season before this blip (nay, deep chasm! Oh Woe!) of form. I’m one of these strange guys who enjoy watching football.
 

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Surely we’ve learnt from previous managers this is 100% not the time to throw money at more players? We have a good squad and we need to start treating managers meritocratically - they have to earn the right to spend vast sums on players.

Woodward essentially showed the door to Mou when he curtailed his third year spending and I actually really respect him for doing that. People won’t like this but at the moment Ole is in a precarious position - he’s spent what £300m and the only unanimously good signing is Bruno. I actually really rate AWB but seems I’m in minority.

Point is are we playing attacking football and creating lots of chances? No. Are we defensively strong? No. What are you backing and believing in when you give Ole more money right now? Are we good in high pressure games? No.

Let’s see where we finish the season and then decide because it’s been long enough for his philosophy to be imprinted on the team.
I agree with all your points but surely as the board if you don’t trust the manager to spend funds why is he still employed? Ole will be fighting a losing battle next season if he’s not provided with funds to strengthen weaknesses in the squad. Positions we knew were weak last summer and wasted £40m of a tight budget on a fringe player. Do we blame Ole for that decision or someone else?

My point is if we are at that stage with Ole he needs to go on the summer. The tricky question is who do we replace him with? I wanted Poch whilst he was available. It seems a better fit to me. Ole will always have questions marks around him as he has no right to get the job at a club the size of Manchester United.
 

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No he isn't. He hasn't even managed to do what Mourinho did yet let alone reclaim our former glory.
I know he hasn’t done it yet. Everyone knows that. He also hasn’t won the league or the UCL yet. There’s probably a very long list of stuff he hasn’t done. What should be clear from my post is that I am referring to the future.
 

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Well it's not the occasional rain an sun that matters, it's the long time climate.

So as long as the team gets a little hotter every year, Ole will stay at the wheel.

For another one billion seasons.
 

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Ole was brought in to clean up the mess and bring back the United Identity and culture; our DNA. It’s a 3y project, and that’s probably what it takes to rebuild a solid platform for future success.

When his contract expires and the dirty work is done, I think it’s time to bring in another manager to make the fine tuning and bring us to the last station; the glorious one. If a miracle doesn’t happen, I hope Ole realises his “time for visit”.

Some may say I’m to patient, but I think my perspective is what it takes to bring us back wining the most prestigious titles (CL and PL).

The new manager off course must to be selected on strategic criteria; ensure us to develop along a defined path (recruitment, style of play, important values/United values).We cannot put the whole future of the club in the hands of an arbitrary manager solely based on his earlier success.

I don’t think Ole will continue with managing in another club when his contract expires. He probably continue as DOF in United - a role which suits him perfect: He knows the club and puts the club first. He is a very likeable and reasonable person, and finally he has managerial experience; he know what it’s all about.
 

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I agree with all your points but surely as the board if you don’t trust the manager to spend funds why is he still employed? Ole will be fighting a losing battle next season if he’s not provided with funds to strengthen weaknesses in the squad. Positions we knew were weak last summer and wasted £40m of a tight budget on a fringe player. Do we blame Ole for that decision or someone else?

My point is if we are at that stage with Ole he needs to go on the summer. The tricky question is who do we replace him with? I wanted Poch whilst he was available. It seems a better fit to me. Ole will always have questions marks around him as he has no right to get the job at a club the size of Manchester United.
I agree and I think the answer is simply to try someone else. Best thing Ole’s tenure should prove (if he doesn’t turn things round and leaves) is you don’t have to get a big name coach. Poch would obviously have been great but we should hire a manager based off their style of football and see what they can get out of this team.
 

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So Ole's job is just go put out the starting eleven and subs now? Because I could swear player development is part of the manager's role and he's failed big time in it with most of the squad stagnating since Ole got here.

Under Ole's stint so far, only Bruno and Shaw can be considered playing well and up to the level that we should be targeting for. Everyone else has been either short of the quality needed or just inconsistent. It's on Ole and his coaching staff to figure a way out to fix this but it's been 2 years plus and we're still seeing the same shit.
Ok you throw that out there, but can you back it up? Who in the squad has a higher potential that Ole has not unlocked? Unless you have hard proof of players doing much better under a different coaching staff you dont really know if they are underperforming or just have reached their peak. Like we cant demand that he has McTomminay playing like a prime Scholes, because maybe (probably) the player does not have that in his locker

As i said, the way Martial, Rashford and DDG plays now (among others) is incredibly dissapointing as we all know they are capable of much, much better. Regarding Rashford i actually do think Ole has a job to do as playing too much within himself at the moment and its Oles job to sort him out.

Martial and De Gea though? Martial has been like this under 3 different managers now. A period of brilliance followed by absoloute shite. I sincerly doubt hes ever going to snap out of that pattern and honestly we should just cut our losses with him. Same thing with De Gea. His reflexes are not what they once where and i really doubt hes going to start to improve his weaknesses now

As i said in my other post, Klopp has signed 27 players at his time at Pool and regarding player development, hes probably the best there is. He still saw the need to replace pretty much the entire starting XI and bench he inherited from Rodgers. Could he have improved some of the players? Sure, but i really doubt he would have won anything of note if he still had the likes of Benteke and Sakho plodding around
 

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Ole was brought in to clean up the mess and bring back the United Identity and culture; our DNA. It’s a 3y project, and that’s probably what it takes to rebuild a solid platform for future success.

When his contract expires and the dirty work is done, I think it’s time to bring in another manager to make the fine tuning and bring us to the last station; the glorious one. If a miracle doesn’t happen, I hope Ole realises his “time for visit”.

Some may say I’m to patient, but I think my perspective is what it takes to bring us back wining the most prestigious titles (CL and PL).

The new manager off course must to be selected on strategic criteria; ensure us to develop along a defined path (recruitment, style of play, important values/United values).We cannot put the whole future of the club in the hands of an arbitrary manager solely based on his earlier success.

I don’t think Ole will continue with managing in another club when his contract expires. He probably continue as DOF in United - a role which suits him perfect: He knows the club and puts the club first. He is a very likeable and reasonable person, and finally he has managerial experience; he know what it’s all about.
This.

Some people cant wait 3 years to bring our DNA back, our culture back and a generic style of the player we have.

We have seen the last minute goals and the never up attitude from alot (not all) of our players. We have seen the most deadwood ever be sold across all our post SAF managers.

It's why I will protect Ole as much as possible. I was an Ole out supporter for a long time - yet I saw this thing that Ole tried to build, this energy in our football and a charisma across the players. Even the players having to play different formations every game is amazing work trying to get them accustomed to many different tactics of future managers.

The thing with United is - we are not a club like Chelsea that will be happy of getting some random success every 6-7 years because they managed to randomly get a manager right for once after number of managers ended up failing. Some of our fans cry out for this method but they wont end up happy for it because as quick as success comes, the quicker its forgotten when you cant keep it up.

It's in our DNA to be successful and stay successful. It's why we target young players in our first team and u 23s that's up to a certain level, we want players who breathe for that last minute goal and has energy to burst until they are 35.

All the Ole haters will question Ole's ability to win a title quickly - but no one is pretending Ole to be the magnificent manager that makes great subs and decisions from the starting XI to the subs or training.

Instead the supporters of Ole want him to finish his job, build a high compatible squad of United style players that would have been given a chance by SAF in one of the teams he would chop and change every 3-4 years.

When the job is done - the squad will look too good for Ole because he should be winning a title with them ( this is why some fans are frustrated already because they think the squad is good enough for a title right now vs some people see significant gaps at RCb, CDM, RW, GK and ST that need to be addressed before we go for a title).

When Ole fails after his job is done thats when we go for a title winning manager with a good squad of United DNA with his ability then to buy the more specialised/specific players that suit his tactics. If we only stuck to random managers buying their specialised players every 3 years then what we get is what we saw in the last decade where we got Moyes DNA, LVG DNA and Mourinho DNA but hardly any United DNA in the team.
 
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This.

Some people cant wait 3 years to bring our DNA back, our culture back and a generic style of the player we have.

We have seen the last minute goals and the never up attitude from alot (not all) of our players. We have seen the most deadwood ever be sold across all our post SAF managers.

It's why I will protect Ole as much as possible. I was an Ole out supporter for a long time - yet I saw this thing that Ole tried to build, this energy in our football and a charisma across the players. Even the players having to play different formations every game is amazing work trying to get them accustomed to many different tactics of future managers.

The thing with United is - we are not a club like Chelsea that will be happy of getting some random success every 6-7 years because they managed to randomly get a manager right for once after number of managers ended up failing. Some of our fans cry out for this method but they wont end up happy for it because as quick as success comes, the quicker its forgotten when you cant keep it up.

It's in our DNA to be successful and stay successful. It's why we target young players in our first team and u 23s that's up to a certain level, we want players who breathe for that last minute goal and has energy to burst until they are 35.

All the Ole haters will question Ole's ability to win a title quickly - but no one is pretending Ole to be the magnificent manager that makes great subs and decisions from the starting XI to the subs or training.

Instead the supporters of Ole want him to finish his job, build a high compatible squad of United style players that would have been given a chance by SAF in one of the teams he would chop and change every 3-4 years.

When the job is done - the squad will look too good for Ole because he should be winning a title with them ( this is why some fans are frustrated already because they think the squad is good enough for a title right now vs some people see significant gaps at RCb, CDM, RW, GK and ST that need to be addressed before we go for a title).

When Ole fails after his job is done thats when we go for a title winning manager with a good squad of United DNA with his ability then to buy the more specialised/specific players that suit his tactics. If we only stuck to random managers buying their specialised players every 3 years then what we get is what we saw in the last decade where we got Moyes DNA, LVG DNA and Mourinho DNA but hardly any United DNA in the team.
So what you’re saying is we need to be patient - because Ole is building a team that a new manager can then go on and win with....

but would it not also make sense to bring that ‘magnificent’ manager in now? Someone who can make the right tactics and subs etc? I don’t get your point of why the need to wait
 

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Glazers out
Woody out
ddg out
martial out
pogba out

if that doesn’t work, then yeah, Ole out
 

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This.

Some people cant wait 3 years to bring our DNA back, our culture back and a generic style of the player we have.

We have seen the last minute goals and the never up attitude from alot (not all) of our players. We have seen the most deadwood ever be sold across all our post SAF managers.

It's why I will protect Ole as much as possible. I was an Ole out supporter for a long time - yet I saw this thing that Ole tried to build, this energy in our football and a charisma across the players. Even the players having to play different formations every game is amazing work trying to get them accustomed to many different tactics of future managers.

The thing with United is - we are not a club like Chelsea that will be happy of getting some random success every 6-7 years because they managed to randomly get a manager right for once after number of managers ended up failing. Some of our fans cry out for this method but they wont end up happy for it because as quick as success comes, the quicker its forgotten when you cant keep it up.

It's in our DNA to be successful and stay successful. It's why we target young players in our first team and u 23s that's up to a certain level, we want players who breathe for that last minute goal and has energy to burst until they are 35.

All the Ole haters will question Ole's ability to win a title quickly - but no one is pretending Ole to be the magnificent manager that makes great subs and decisions from the starting XI to the subs or training.

Instead the supporters of Ole want him to finish his job, build a high compatible squad of United style players that would have been given a chance by SAF in one of the teams he would chop and change every 3-4 years.

When the job is done - the squad will look too good for Ole because he should be winning a title with them ( this is why some fans are frustrated already because they think the squad is good enough for a title right now vs some people see significant gaps at RCb, CDM, RW, GK and ST that need to be addressed before we go for a title).

When Ole fails after his job is done thats when we go for a title winning manager with a good squad of United DNA with his ability then to buy the more specialised/specific players that suit his tactics. If we only stuck to random managers buying their specialised players every 3 years then what we get is what we saw in the last decade where we got Moyes DNA, LVG DNA and Mourinho DNA but hardly any United DNA in the team.

Excellent post, how can I click like for this post?
 

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Well it's not the occasional rain an sun that matters, it's the long time climate.

So as long as the team gets a little hotter every year, Ole will stay at the wheel.

For another one billion seasons.
Amen to that.
 

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Glazers out
Woody out
ddg out
martial out
pogba out

if that doesn’t work, then yeah, Ole out
Not saying I disagree but, out of interest, when you say “doesn’t work”, where are you setting the bar for that?
 

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I've come to realise there is no point in this debate. There are a few people who will adjust their view on a reasonable basis, based on how the team is evolving and performing over longer stretches. But mostly, people have either accepted that rebuilding a contending team is going to take time and will mean incremental progress and ups and downs, or they haven't, and Demand Success Or Change Now. The latter will stay quiet when we do well, but immediately burst out of the woodwork as soon as we don't. They'll see our worst performances as the true expression of where this team really is, and are convinced the team is incompetently managed, to the extent that they routinely conjure up alternative explanations to account for us doing well, when we do.

Nothing is going to change this. Success isn't going to change it either, at least not until there's been a great deal of it over a very long time. There are people here who are convinced Rashford and even Bruno are problems rather than assets, and if you're capable of believing that, there's not really much left to discuss. It only remains to hope Ed & co has more sense, patience and foresight than our fanbase.
 

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I'm not Ole out, I think Bruno has changed our game and I think Cavani has been a nice addition, still we are only on level points with Leiceister and 4 points ahead of west ham. It's anyones guess whether we can stay around top 3 or slide down the table. I wouldn't really speculate whether we should change the manager untill the end of the season.
 

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So what you’re saying is we need to be patient - because Ole is building a team that a new manager can then go on and win with....

but would it not also make sense to bring that ‘magnificent’ manager in now? Someone who can make the right tactics and subs etc? I don’t get your point of why the need to wait
Because there is a difference between a manager building a squad from scratch to fit his tactics and a manager coming to Manage a group of players whilst having the ability to buy a 20% extra players to adapt to his specific tactics.

For example, what did Van Gaal do? After Moyes failed so badly we went for a strong manager that could control and build his team from scratch. He sold everyone useful, he bought everyone he thought fit his philosophy. In his last season he was arguably successful to a small degree but his football was boring.

What happened next? We went for the manager 90% of our fans regarded as the manager who will guarantee us success (before anyone saw his faults). We ended up getting a manager that wanted to scrap all tactics and players bought in Van Gaal's period (Martial, Shaw, Sub version of Rashford, Blind, Depay, making the tactics revolve around Lukaku and Mkhitaryan etc buying Sanchez or CB'S like Bailly & Lindelof ).

The thing is for the last decade we have had no structure. We have managers come do as they wish at United and build United the way they dreamt it to me. This is partly because SAF was arguably a manager of United that had so much authority that he could build United as he wanted to; he wasnt just a manager like Conte or Sarri at Chelsea that picks and chooses his players for 3 years and calls it a day. So what happened when he left? We ended up with managers that had such a high authority to build United the way they wanted.

Now with Ole, we have an ex United player that knows elements of what bought success here at United under our best manager of all time. (Its well known that SAF's style of management was much different to building a team to transcript a bunch of tactics; which came partly from the assistant managers and he was a manager that focused on a wide variety of things like mentality, effort and man management). Ole knows the DNA of United, what is needed to be a player at United. He knows which ones are good enough in mentality even before they kick a damn football ( why he let go of Sanchez, Lukaku, Lingardz Dalot and so many more). He knows the type of competition he went through as a player (being a striker that competes with 3 others at the least) and if the players cant handle that they are not good enough (Martial Vs Shaw). The focus on the u23, the players bought for them but has a way to the first team if good enough. The players with leadership like Bruno, the less leader of Maguire yet still the captain of England, the possible targeting of Grealish the captain of Aston Villa etc (I'm sure we will snap up some captains from other clubs soon).

I could go on and on. What Ole knows is what United is. He isnt a title winning manager but the reason he is doing okay is because he is relying on building that United DNA first.

What we end up when Ole will no doubt be sacked is a good bunch of players, less deadwood, players that score last minute goals, players that run around like battery rabbits until the day they retire, we may get 2 players for every position or style off football (2 fullbacks for each position- one attacking and one defensive, 2 Box to Box midfielders, 2 AM, 2 strikers, 2 LW, 2 RWs etc).

What we then get is a balanced squad that is good enough for United but maybe not good enough for all the titles to be won by a specific tactic. That's when we go for a title winning manager who needs to add the finesse players that tactically suit him on top of the united players to go for the titles. If he wins the titles but fails in 4 years all the next manager has to do is decide which of the previous managers specifc players are not needed anymore before adding his own. The United DNA will be there rather than being able to be completely destroyed as we saw during Van Gaals and Mourinhos era when both regarded there to be a lack of players that were good enough to manage so ended up building the club to their views.
 

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Ignoring the stupidity of this approach, you're somehow a whole 10 points off. Those 38 games = 78 points.

Not ignoring it though, and even if those magic extra 10 points existed though... we finished on a dismal 66 points last season and we were lucky that Chelsea and Leicester collapsed after lockdown. Most seasons that total wouldn't be good enough for top four. The only reason it was deemed acceptable is because our first half of the season was so cataclysmically bad.

This season we're currently on course to finish on 72 points, which might not be good enough for top four, and is nothing to shout home about and certainly no indicator of progress. The only time the points matter is on the 38th game of the season. Not 38 games spanning between two seasons. :lol:

This seasn we're actually on course to finish second. Check the fecking league table...
 

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"Fans" calling for Ole's head are supporting the wrong football club.

Plain and simple.

Gobshites haven't even bothered to study the history of the club they chose to support... yet they think their little posts on RedCaf under a stupid made-up username has any baring on what goes on at our football club. feckin' hilarious.
 

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I've come to realise there is no point in this debate. There are a few people who will adjust their view on a reasonable basis, based on how the team is evolving and performing over longer stretches. But mostly, people have either accepted that rebuilding a contending team is going to take time and will mean incremental progress and ups and downs, or they haven't, and Demand Success Or Change Now. The latter will stay quiet when we do well, but immediately burst out of the woodwork as soon as we don't. They'll see our worst performances as the true expression of where this team really is, and are convinced the team is incompetently managed, to the extent that they routinely conjure up alternative explanations to account for us doing well, when we do.

Nothing is going to change this. Success isn't going to change it either, at least not until there's been a great deal of it over a very long time. There are people here who are convinced Rashford and even Bruno are problems rather than assets, and if you're capable of believing that, there's not really much left to discuss. It only remains to hope Ed & co has more sense, patience and foresight than our fanbase.
Couldn’t agree more.

I understand a modicum of gloom from time to time but some folk just want to be gloomy at any opportunity. No doubt if you serve them a perfect pint, they’ll focus on a smudge on the outside of the glass.
 

SirScholes

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Why the hell should it not be trending is my view.
We were unambitious and drew with a very beatable Liverpool. Lost to a brutal Sheff Utd team. Drew with Everton having been in control. Drew with West Brom.
4 very poor results.
And still second in the league haha more positives than negatives
We are light years away from where we were, starting 11 needs improved, that is all
 

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Couldn’t agree more.

I understand a modicum of gloom from time to time but some folk just want to be gloomy at any opportunity. No doubt if you serve them a perfect pint, they’ll focus on a smudge on the outside of the glass.
Reminder that United haven't even challenged for a league title in eight seasons now. We haven't been served a perfect pint in almost a decade. It's not exactly shocking that people aren't optimistic.
 

justsomebloke

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Reminder that United haven't even challenged for a league title in eight seasons now. We haven't been served a perfect pint in almost a decade. It's not exactly shocking that people aren't optimistic.
Maybe not, but then that's all the less reason to expect instant gratification.
 

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We all shout about a DOF. Then when we get a quality player it becomes that the manager didn't want him, if he isn't delivering. DVB is a quality player. Ole should get the best out of him. No one is going to come into a new league and deliver instantly unless you give them game time.
And most top managers give a player time to adapt to a league if the need it. We have players in those positions and VDB clearly needs time and we need to win games, so thankfully VDB isn't playing.