[Martial'sEmergingSmile]

As said previously, I've never seen anything to suggest he's even slightly better than average. He has zero outstanding attributes.

The one good thing he has done is show that we'd look better with a more proactive, commanding keeper...and Henderson's not particularly either of these things - just moreso than De Gea (who has other qualities).

Current De Gea isn't the answer. Henderson certainly isn't the answer.

We should have sold Henderson after the hype of his Sheffield United season. We never sell in the hype though.

 

[Jippy]

Over other players*

It's just tiresome that you have to be 'Henderson FC' or a 'De Gea worshipper', like back in the playground.
Whenever one lets in a goal you can guarantee the other one would've saved it.

 

[GledTheRed]

Ah well at least Donnarumma looked solid

 

[simplyared]

Taken the cross

"even taken the cross" as in maybe.

 

[Remember the geese]

"even taken the cross" as in maybe.

I think there is a fair chance De Gea would have saved it, but close to zero chance he'd have done anything about the cross.

 

[Solius]

Seems like they both have good qualities but we need a keeper that has it all.

 

[Bubz27]

Their goal. De Gea would have tipped it over or even taken the cross.

De Gea would've collected the cross?

Henderson didn't have his best game tonight but let's not pretend De Gea would've come out 10+ yards in a crowded area to collect a corner.

 

[MU655]

I think people need to hold off a bit. It is one game with one mistake. He is a young goalkeeper. People need to remember the number of mistakes De Gea made when he first started playing for us; he was even dropped at one point for Lindegaard.

 

[M Bison]

This guy has killed all my hopes and dreams. We are back to that coward De Gea.

Not this again

Define “coward”?

 

[sullydnl]

I think there is a fair chance De Gea would have saved it, but close to zero chance he'd have done anything about the cross.

+1

 

[ROFLUTION]

Eugh. Had a few good games, and then this fail. This should be a minimum / basic save for a Manchester United goalkeeper.

 

[JMack1234]

The Europa League is his chance to show us what he can do and he can't expect do be our number 1 if he's going to go and make mistakes like that.

 

[Berbasbullet]

Like him as a keeper but during his time at Sheffield I saw some of the goals he let in and was slightly worried, sure he will be fine.

 

[sewey89]

He’s 23 for feck sake. He’s bound to make some blunders and he’ll learn from them.

This forum is ridiculous at times

 

[Kerry Donaghy]

Not this again

Define “coward”?

http://www.soccer-blogger.com/2019/...-vs-wolves-2019-bizarre-smalling-handball-og/

 

[RedDevil@84]

Well, this is what sink or swim means. And good that we are at least getting a measure of his levels, because of De Gea's continuous absence. Hope the kid does well


And I think this "collecting the cross" is way too overhyped here. De Gea maybe poor in that, but I don't think there is need to have a collective moan for every cross that happens in every game. It is not like every cross is collected by every keeper. Even the so called "best keepers" collect some and stay on the line for some.

Same with the collective moan over the keeper dashing out of the goal post. Allison, in recent times, has looked absolutely comical doing it.

 

[arthurka]

Don't think DDG would have saved this. Clearly wouldn't have collected the cross that's for sure. 9 clean sheets in 16 matches and 0.67 goals per game.

David has 12 clean sheets in 33 matches and 1.15 goals conceded per game.

I know which player I would pick.

 

[Camilo]

He’s 23 for feck sake. He’s bound to make some blunders and he’ll learn from them.

This forum is ridiculous at times

That's no blunder. You either have the natural coordination or you don't.

 

[Dec9003]

It’s a bad error, it’ll be interesting to see how he bounces back. He’s always been confident so I hope it won’t knock him.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

That's no blunder. You either have the natural coordination or you don't.

Also why the feck are people acting like 23 is some fresh youngster?

 

[Based Adnan]

Don't care

Good for you

 

[Oranges038]

Their goal. De Gea would have tipped it over or even taken the cross.

I was looking for the white text.

You have watched De Gea play for the last 10 or so years?

 

[acnumber9]

Don't think DDG would have saved this. Clearly wouldn't have collected the cross that's for sure. 9 clean sheets in 16 matches and 0.67 goals per game.

David has 12 clean sheets in 33 matches and 1.15 goals conceded per game.

I know which player I would pick.

99% of keepers save that with ease. Henderson would save it with ease more often than not.

 

[Gandalf]

Don't think DDG would have saved this. Clearly wouldn't have collected the cross that's for sure. 9 clean sheets in 16 matches and 0.67 goals per game.

David has 12 clean sheets in 33 matches and 1.15 goals conceded per game.

I know which player I would pick.

Not really an equal comparison if you look at the sides Dean has started against. The same argument kept coming up from the Romero supporters because he kept clean sheets against Tranmere and Astana. Not saying DDG is better but these stats are close to meaningless out of context.

 

[Martial'sEmergingSmile]

He’s 23 for feck sake. He’s bound to make some blunders and he’ll learn from them.

This forum is ridiculous at times

What outstanding attribute does he have? What is he even above average at?

This 'only 23', 'bound to make blunders' stuff doesn't make sense. I'd understand it if Henderson had showed some sort of outstanding potential and had just thrown in a couple of mistakes along the way...but that's not the case. I literally haven't seen a single person explain why they think he has 'big potential' beyond not being De Gea, and being a bit more commanding/proactive than we're used to (which isn't hard).

There's not a single aspect of his game that exceeds 'average'. He's undersized, not good on the ball, below league average in every sweeper keeper metric, way below league average in dealing with crosses, below average reflexes....the list goes on.

Going by the young and learning fallacy we should be playing Axel every game...but we don't because he's clearly below the talent level required.

 

[Acole9]

Not this again

Define “coward”?

One of the most overused words on this forum. Someone posted in the match day thread that Solskjaer was a coward for naming two goalkeepers on the bench instead of another academy player...

 

[Zen86]

That's no blunder. You either have the natural coordination or you don't.

A baseless comment which could be applied to literally any keeper mistake ever.

 

[sullydnl]

Don't think DDG would have saved this. Clearly wouldn't have collected the cross that's for sure. 9 clean sheets in 16 matches and 0.67 goals per game.

David has 12 clean sheets in 33 matches and 1.15 goals conceded per game.

I know which player I would pick.

Nah, most goalkeepers including Henderson would expect to do better there and that sort of reflex save is exactly where De Gea is typically strong.

Which is fine. Henderson can't be better than him in every situation, nor can he go without ever making an error.

That's no blunder. You either have the natural coordination or you don't.

Nah, it was an issue of technique, not natural coordination. Literally something he can be coached to do better on.

 

[AKDevil]

Yeah but when I say mistake costs us I mean we end up dropping points due to it. And then having to play the next game right after that

I do think he's got great confidence and Looks a leader at the back


Yeah, agree with the bold thing. Most great players have an arrogant or nasty streak imo

now you’ll get the test. Clean sheet and at least one big save on Sunday.

 

[AKDevil]

Those critical of Henderson ... how does he compare to De Gea at same stage of his United career? At moment he’s being compared after less than 20 games to a keeper who’s played over 400 games for United and some already think he’s as good an option.

 

[Martial'sEmergingSmile]

Those critical of Henderson ... how does he compare to De Gea at same stage of his United career? At moment he’s being compared after less than 20 games to a keeper who’s played over 400 games for United and some already think he’s as good an option.

At 23 De Gea had played 175 games for us.

Even if you're looking at it on a games played basis - ie comparing an 18 year old De Gea to a 23 year old Henderson - De Gea was on a completely different planet talent-wise.

His reflex saves were already extraordinary, his feet saves were basically a trademark and almost revolutionary in how often he pulled them off. He obviously made mistakes...but it was screamingly obvious what a talent he was and how many areas he excelled at. Henderson excels at nothing.

 

[united for life]

He’s a great goalkeeper after a good game. Then after games like this he gets hammered by the fans (de gea also gets called a coward in the process).
Sometimes fans are just irrational...

 

[WR10]

Horrible error let's be honest. If he had better natural reflexes like David that would have been easy.

 

[Red_toad]

So that goal was his fault and a huge blunder ? Only seen brief highlights, I’d have said McTommy lost his man? But what do I know

 

[lsd]

As said previously, I've never seen anything to suggest he's even slightly better than average. He has zero outstanding attributes.

The one good thing he has done is show that we'd look better with a more proactive, commanding keeper...and Henderson's not particularly either of these things - just moreso than De Gea (who has other qualities).

Current De Gea isn't the answer. Henderson certainly isn't the answer.

We should have sold Henderson after the hype of his Sheffield United season. We never sell in the hype though.

That does appear to be the case sadly.

 

[FrantikChicken]

What outstanding attribute does he have? What is he even above average at?

This 'only 23', 'bound to make blunders' stuff doesn't make sense. I'd understand it if Henderson had showed some sort of outstanding potential and had just thrown in a couple of mistakes along the way...but that's not the case. I literally haven't seen a single person explain why they think he has 'big potential' beyond not being De Gea, and being a bit more commanding/proactive than we're used to (which isn't hard).

There's not a single aspect of his game that exceeds 'average'. He's undersized, not good on the ball, below league average in every sweeper keeper metric, way below league average in dealing with crosses, below average reflexes....the list goes on.

Going by the young and learning fallacy we should be playing Axel every game...but we don't because he's clearly below the talent level required.

I'm of the same opinion more or less. To be fair I never watched him during his loan but from the games he's started for us so far, I see nothing to suggest he's any better than other 2nd choice keepers we've had in the past.

 

[Okey]

Bad mistake, but not the end of the world. This is why a run of games is so important so he can be judged properly. You don't earn the No. 1 short at a top club based on ego or grandstanding. You have to earn it. Mistakes will happen, but the bigger picture will be obvious. Alisson Becker in the last few weeks is a perfect example.

 

[NicolaSacco]

At 23 De Gea had played 175 games for us.

Even if you're looking at it on a games played basis - ie comparing an 18 year old De Gea to a 23 year old Henderson - De Gea was on a completely different planet talent-wise.

His reflex saves were already extraordinary, his feet saves were basically a trademark and almost revolutionary in how often he pulled them off. He obviously made mistakes...but it was screamingly obvious what a talent he was and how many areas he excelled at. Henderson excels at nothing.

Yeah and bear in mind Henderson has about 160 games under his belt whilst on loan. It’s not massively relevant what league he was playing in, that was a stoppable shot at any level

 

[0le]

At 23 De Gea had played 175 games for us.

Even if you're looking at it on a games played basis - ie comparing an 18 year old De Gea to a 23 year old Henderson - De Gea was on a completely different planet talent-wise.

His reflex saves were already extraordinary, his feet saves were basically a trademark and almost revolutionary in how often he pulled them off. He obviously made mistakes...but it was screamingly obvious what a talent he was and how many areas he excelled at. Henderson excels at nothing.

I remember DDG used to get criticised by pundits for saving using his feet

 

[Andycoleno9]

So that goal was his fault and a huge blunder ? Only seen brief highlights, I’d have said McTommy lost his man? But what do I know

Why fans divide goals only on gk's fault or not his fault? This goal today is not his fault and it is not even a blunder. But it is a goal which even an average gk must save.
And yes, McT lost his player but what does that mean? When first player fecks up, everything else after that doesn't count?