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Who had "faux outrage" on their Clayton Diverts From The Subject bingo card?
Fakes outrage as a way to escape and ignores the perfectly reasonable relies.
outrage at what?Fakes outrage as a way to escape and ignores the perfectly reasonable relies.
in 2021 I’m very surprised anyone considers The Mirror as a source of good information/ insight?
do people actually consider them a credible source?
that aside, hasn’t this story been rumbling on for A year or so?
not saying it’s not newsworthy, but it’s not breaking news is it?
probably why no one is interested, is that it’s Boris sleeping around. In other news, the sky in blue. In all seriousness, if it was a public figure without such previous, perhaps news outlets would be more interested?
not defending him at all, just that it’s normalised for him... I’m sure HIGNFY would be talking about it, if on air.
When it’s a direct interview it makes criticising the source fairly pointless doesn’t it? I’m happy to be corrected on that.outrage at what?
in 2021 I’m very surprised anyone considers The Mirror as a source of good information/ insight?
do people actually consider them a credible source?
that aside, hasn’t this story been rumbling on for A year or so?
not saying it’s not newsworthy, but it’s not breaking news is it?
probably why no one is interested, is that it’s Boris sleeping around. In other news, the sky in blue. In all seriousness, if it was a public figure without such previous, perhaps news outlets would be more interested?
not defending him at all, just that it’s normalised for him... I’m sure HIGNFY would be talking about it, if on air.
I agree with the last bit of what you said, it has been normalised for the prime minister who is referred to as fecking “Boris”. Which is a big part of the problem.
Would you agree that is should be a resigning matter? Funnelling 100s of thousands of pounds of tax payers money to his side piece?
I think a lot of us get frustrated at the double standards at the media who constantly turn a blind eye to the PM and his mates conduct.
It’s directly from her mouth after he previously denied it. If she’s lying he can sue her.outrage at what?
in 2021 I’m very surprised anyone considers The Mirror as a source of good information/ insight?
do people actually consider them a credible source?
that aside, hasn’t this story been rumbling on for A year or so?
not saying it’s not newsworthy, but it’s not breaking news is it?
probably why no one is interested, is that it’s Boris sleeping around. In other news, the sky in blue. In all seriousness, if it was a public figure without such previous, perhaps news outlets would be more interested?
not defending him at all, just that it’s normalised for him... I’m sure HIGNFY would be talking about it, if on air.
If she’s not lying, when London Mayor, he ensured that £126,000 was granted to one of her business interests. When this came to light last time he denied the relationship.
That’s what the problem is here and what you are choosing to ignore. It’s pure corruption and he’s already lied to cover it up once.
Now you have the above information provided to you for a second time, are you going to address the problem or continue to dismiss it as just a bit of titillation from old shagger Bozza? “We know what he’s like” was exactly the line which let Trump get away with so much.
I can see your point, but I disagree. We don’t know whether she had been paid/ paid how much? Whether the story has been sensationalised. But again, I’m not debating the story. I am seriously questioning the source, and it’s one I would never trust.
20 years ago it probably would be a matter to resign on. But it’s now normalised behaviour. Probably not just in politics, but in life. How much are relationships, and being faithful valued? Not as much as 20/30 years ago.
it’s not just the Torirs, the public don’t trust politicians. As a result, no one really cares, and there’s so much shit flying around, it barely sticks.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the PM being called Boris, don’t understand that Criticism,
read my posts, I’ve barely made a comment on ‘the story’ and that was never my point.
I don’t understand your post?
read my reply above.
Whats there not to understand in my post? You’re deflecting.
as I said. Read my previous reply.
when are we going to see the opposition raising it? Has anyone commented on the story thus far?
We know.
there’s more than enough to criticise him about, and so find this a strange thing to focus on?
That's probably the point here.
presumably it’s noted, that I haven’t in anyway condoned it?
Yet you’re being deliberately obtuse when it comes to condemning it.
Well no, but that's not really the issue. The little you have actually mentioned about it, it looks like you've focused only on the affair and sought to downplay that when I think the main issue for a lot of people is the money that seems to have gone to the lady's business.
just retreading back through, the focus had very much been on the affair, and that seems to be what the article is about, rather than the money? That’s my reading of it. Happy to be corrected.
In terms of money going into her business, that something that should be investigated.
one would presume the opposition would call for that?
No one talking about the Cameron story?
Would rather talk about the Boris story since there's clear evidence of illegal activity as well as a media cover up, if that's alright with you Sir.
Tell us about it
Is it not more less public knowledge that she got £126,000? From multiple sources? What source would you trust to provide this information?
I don’t think I explained myself properly regarding the last part. I think it’s a problem that the media refer to the prime minister as Boris likes he is your cuddly harmless mate, it never happened with any other PM Our previous PM’s weren’t called Tony, Gordon, David, and Theresa by the media and that shouldn’t happen now. It’s a very nothing point though and not what we’re discussing.
Depends how you interpret some pistd I guess, before you joined there were a couple of posts mentioning the affair but I read the conversation as Marr not talking about something that could damage the PM, especially as I had read the article. The first response to you and a couple after that spoke about the money.
Of course things should be investigated, won't hold my breath on anything coming from it though. I don't remember much happening over that daft bridge thing.
I’m not questioning the facts that she was paid the money for the business. That’s a well established.Is it not more less public knowledge that she got £126,000? From multiple sources? What source would you trust to provide this information?
I don’t think I explained myself properly regarding the last part. I think it’s a problem that the media refer to the prime minister as Boris likes he is your cuddly harmless mate, it never happened with any other PM Our previous PM’s weren’t called Tony, Gordon, David, and Theresa by the media and that shouldn’t happen now. It’s a very nothing point though and not what we’re discussing.
I think the two stories of the affair, and the month have got mixed up.
a kiss and tell story, is clearly subjective, and tit for tat, that’s what I thought we were discussing? And I questioning whether the source is reliable, and whether she had been paid/ how much she was paid by the mirror.
obviously The business payments and the affair are intertwined, but the focus was on the affair.
I think I’ve already pointed out that financial influence should be called to account, and surely that’s one point of having an opposition?
The David Cameron story had been on ice ready for a moment like this. Give the political commentators something else to talk about.
The whole "what about Cameron" thing just further highlights how disgusting it is that Boris is getting a free ride.
The Cameron thing is a disgrace and both stories should get maximum coverage (but obviously won't).
The fact a shonky financial company can pay an ex-PM stacks and get a direct line to the chancellor is outrageous. A taxpayer bailout could've saved the potential payments of millions Cameron has lost out on cos of Greensill's collapse.
In Brazil every ex-president ends up in jail for corruption. In Britain they earn millions on boards and doing after dinner speeches.
Our politics is just as corrupt as any other part of the world.
Difference is they give enough scraps back to the public - our taxes - to keep society running fairly smoothly and avoid an uprising.
TBF Cameron "allegedly" feked an actual pig... Boris just a bit of one
Did anyone happen to find any mention on the Beeb about the Arcuri question during the press conference? Seeing the spokespersons response about Boris being totes amazeballs on the Guardian but nothing from our public broadcaster. Funny that.
This is a gross post.
Who alleged that?
The whole British press if I remember rightly
https://www.gq.com/story/why-is-everyone-saying-the-uk-prime-minister-had-sex-with-a-farm-animal
I mean even wiki calls it piggate
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piggate
You'll be a much better asset to democracy if you lose the 'fanboyism' side of politics. This 'cheering for my side' thing is one of the worst things for ruining how a democracy works. David Cameron might well have had sex with a pig, hell he may even have been Jack the Ripper but one man's deeds don't detract from another. Ed Gein was a horrible bastard but, you know what, that doesn't excuse the actions of Ted Bundy at all. So as far as I see it: Boris is an opportunist, relatively unskilled and idiotic leader who has no skills in diplomacy or leading a country at all. He and his friends have been proven to be lining the pockets of the rich while disenfranchising the poor and, as good as their vaccine response has been, they have used Covid to enrich their friends in utter corrupt behaviour. Now you can either refute those claims with valid arguments and tell me I'm wrong, or you can say that you are aware of this but just don't care because you like him and you support his goals of benefitting the rich but you certainly can't try to distract by talking about another bullshit PM that Britain have had, that funnily enough, I'm sure not many people on this board are a fan of.
whether you like Boris or not is immaterial, but he is a skilled politician. You don’t get to be Mayor or London, lead a campaign like Brexit and become PM with a big majority without being a good politician.
that’s not to say he’s not unorthodox, a liar and a cheat... but perhaps he does it better than others.
You've quoted the wrong poster. @sun_tzu doesn't follow politicians' cults, except the anti-cult of hating Corbyn. He's also not a Tory voter.
What the feck are you on about? First of all clearly I don't like Boris so there's no 'whether or not' at all. Secondly I never once commented on him being a 'skilled politician' or not at all, so your weird jumping is as his wife or husband is amusing to say the least. I said he is an unskilled leader and diplomat, which is nowhere near calling him a bad politician. In fact he's an amazing politician because he convinced an entire party and a majority of voters that he was a good choice. Now being a skilled politician makes you nothing more than a skilled politician. It doesn't indicate any other skills to lead a country so I stand by my original point. He is unskilled in every other part of leading. So he got to those positions by convincing people he could do it but proved by his actions he couldn't. Think Bebe, he got to Man Utd but that didn't mean he was a Utd level player.
See Isuppose the difference between me and you is that I think a proven liar and cheat shouldn't be allowed to lead a country. Maybe I'm an idealist but as far as I'm concerned, any politician who has proven to have lied about their life and especially about their intentions and policies should be disbarred from office forever. See the thing is that they work for us so lying about where the tax money goes, as the Tories and Boris have, should mean instant sacking and that you are unfit to work for the people again. So lets be honest the only reason Boris has gotten where he is, is because the system is just as corrupt as he is. Now you might celebrate that but I look at it as being one of the reasons that so many ordinary folks are struggling.
Edit: why are you such a fan of the Tories that you seem to think they can do no wrong? In fact why are you a fan of any politician like this? Is there anything Boris could do to turn you off, or are you blindly in the cult now?
Ah shit, thanks mate. Apologies @sun_tzu!! My bad.
You need to tone it down a bit. Your initial post made it sound like you think Boris is totally inept, now you're getting abusive saying he's obviously an 'amazing' politician.
ah forget it.
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