The article states that they hired experts to corroborate the statement that Germany couldn't handle another spike in cases therefore it wanted to make the public aware of the absolute worst situation that would occur if people ignored their advice. That's not "fear porn", it's called "reality".
Lockdown is hard, yeah and I think everyone would rather we weren't in it. Wearing masks really isn't hard though and I couldn't care less about that rule - it has absolutely no effect on me whatsoever.
You're on FB, you would know.
You realize you're saying my criticism of the lockdown and other draconian measures is nonsense because I didn't cry enough about 2.8m deaths? Great argument.
No amount of stupid shit like not sending your kids to school is going to reduce that number. A similar number is going to die eventually and with how easily the virus is mutating and spreading to animals as well, waiting till we vaccinate everyone (including the 3rd world which we have track record of not giving a shit about), before we get some mutant that vaccine does 0 shits against is wishful thinking.
I have adhered to all laws and advice I've been required to since the start of the pandemic. Including not going to work, keeping my distance (except when some smelly runner runs up behind me with his mate), wearing a mask inside, not meeting up in groups, etc.
Except for hugging in my mom (she's a doc specializing in public health) and bro when I go to visit once in a blue moon. Which is exactly my point, no one that's reading this has done everything 100% by the book. Because it's not fecking possible. I never said we shouldn't make an effort to reduce the spread of the virus. I think a lot of the measures go too far far too little return. The 9pm curfew over here is total horseshit. I can't even go for a walk by myself after work? I oppose government spying, I oppose headscarf bans, I oppose a curfew. It has nothing to do with covid deaths.
Sorry to hear about your mate, if you want to feel better by blaming people critical of keeping children out of school, like me, feel free. I once had a 14y old mate who died of a heart condition on the pitch. If only we banned uncontrolled exercise we could have saved his live
The sick children are children, DUMBstar. They're gonna touch the doorknob that has snot on it and then rub their eyes, they're gonna go near adults and forget the rules in their enthusiasm. If they need to stay isolated anyway, why the feck
Do all the other kids need to have their education compromised
Can't I not go for a walk by myself after 9pm
You have 0 evidence either of the above will even save one child. What will help is all of us isolating permanently. I guarantee you we will save some poor child's life.
They will die for the same reasons advanced aids patient with compromised immune systems will eventually die, and the poor children will feck up a lot quicker and a lot more often than the aids patient.
You're gonna need to get over the "oh the poor children with cancer" argument and decide based on cost-benefit. It's how policy works. It's part of growing up. Don't be the 14 year old vegan girl who doesn't like the idea of animals killing each other. It will happen just like kids with cancer. I believe in a God and I hate him. Have you read the old testament? He's a bad dude.
And how many people did you spread covid to and kill during all those?
Yes people dying prematurely is a bad thing. So is keeping your kids out of school (very harmful), curfews (unproven to help), and mask mandates (help very very little, according to the head of the Dutch public health services, from NOS, the Dutch BBC)
That's a lot of dirty words for saying you disagree with his opinion. It should be easy to dismantle it now that you've said he's basically Ben Shapiro.
This describes a lot of people that agree with all the draconian shit, from your link:
Great post and I'm glad you reposted.
We really don't know if this near indefinite lockdown will prevent the 20% figure of reaching a 100%. There might as well be a new mutant somewhere in a furry little animal or in a human in a far off land that the current vaccines won't protect for. Do we go into another 2 year lockdown with violations of my constitutional rights 'till we develop a new vaccine?
It's true that health providers would be overwhelmed more than without a lockdown. But why are we not looking at deaths caused by the lockdown? We're all fatter, we exercise less, we're less happy, we're more stressed, we're addicted more, etc, etc. How much permanent damage does the disruption of social life do to our children? How much unhappiness and deaths will our right wing governments cause when they get to chop at your NHS, education or public parks because we've ballooned the debt?
My problem with wearing a mask is the same as my problem with Geert Wilders' proposed headscarf ban or the current burka ban. People should able to decide freely what they want to wear, especially when the cloth mask has a very, very, very small net positive effect. Being okay with a 2 year mask mandate is dangerously close to the dude that says: "Why should I care they're spying on me, I've got nothing to hide". Of course, a lot of people including the "you're a dumb trump supporting FB guy for questioning my believes" crowd, like @Sandikan @Pexbo think like that, which is a much bigger problem in our society than a virus that's 4 times as deadly as a bad seasonal flu. (don't be lazy @mod by pressing that delete button. Google it and see this figure is correct and IMHO very generous)
Even my sick children post means nothing to him. If they're going to die, they're going to die anyway. Why should little panda have to give up his drinking with mates.Yes, the survival rate is very high. But the fear isn't and has never been that everyone is going to get sick and die from Covid. It's that enough people are going to get it that it overloads the health care system. At that point people who need help for other reasons aren't going to get that help. Basically, what happened to Italy to begin with, and what is about to happen (or already happening) in Brazil.
They hired experts to maximise the fear response so there would be more compliance. If it's so harmless as you say why is there a leak and why was it a scandal?
What is a lot? The 1,1M includes people that have only lost their sense of smell and are otherwise fine. It's a fraction of the economic damage incurred by people unable to work or that are being subsized to not work (of which we will pay the bill eventually)
If thinking you save a kid with cancer helps you put on the muzzle each time, you really are a hero.
It's a troll. A shill. Time to ignore.
I think for a lot people, (the sub 100 IQ person) it's fear of the virus as was the case for the majority of people initially (feb-march 2020?)
I have and it is, its easy, what is not possible for you?
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hoorayAw man, I had the time to post, for once, I was about to rip little panda to shreds, but then I saw he's no longer with us
Sorry man but he was irritating quite a few with his lax dismissal of old and sick.Aw man, I had the time to post, for once, I was about to rip little panda to shreds, but then I saw he's no longer with us
If you're reading this LLP, I'll be more than happy to intubate you if and when the time comes.
Me too albeit much easier being in AU.
100% the worst I’ve seen for a while. How he believes the drivel he comes out with, justifying 2.8million deaths like they’re nothing. I don’t say this often but he’s really a self obsessed cnut."My constitutional rights" did it for me when justifying unnecessary deaths of sick children, or the elderly. Maybe I should do my own research.
I bet he owns many guns. 100% guaranteed.
Maybe it is our fault and not his after all, as we all get our facts and opinions from CNN, apparently. A channel watched religiously by so many in the UK.
I genuinely don’t think I’ve ever watched more than 20 mins cnn in my life
Oh i see, didn't know that
I did watch the US election results coming in on CNN - it was more or less hypnotic stuff for a couple of days. They had this really great set of interactive graphics for showing the results coming in across the swing states.
I fear he is no clueless individual but part of a larger conspiracy to dumb down the whole planet. It won't happen in our lifetimes but we are seeing the seeds being planted. I worry for my kids. All our kids.
Man you need to get out
Looking at the data in Israel it seems unlikely. He also seems to be operating on the assumption that what is going on in Europe now could make its way to the UK soon when what’s actually happening is what already happened in the Uk (highly contagious Kent variant) is only now hitting Europe.So Boris warned of a potential third wave in the summer (though I'd personally describe it as a fourth wave after the ones in April 2020, November 2020 and January 2021)...
Anyhow, how likely is it really? Assuming vaccination rates continue as they are and given the fact that most (if not all) vulnerable people will have already had the jab, is there really that big of a risk of the NHS being overwhelmed again this summer?
I appreciate his messaging is possibly just a political move to scare the public into compliance. But do you guys think there's much substance to it?
It depends on the R rate. If the vaccines continue to do their job of pushing down deaths and hospitalisations then the issue switches to over-confidence. There's a danger that with half the adult population with some protection and a smaller number with extra protection, we'll switch off from listening to social distancing measures.So Boris warned of a potential third wave in the summer (though I'd personally describe it as a fourth wave after the ones in April 2020, November 2020 and January 2021)...
Anyhow, how likely is it really? Assuming vaccination rates continue as they are and given the fact that most (if not all) vulnerable people will have already had the jab, is there really that big of a risk of the NHS being overwhelmed again this summer?
I appreciate his messaging is possibly just a political move to scare the public into compliance. But do you guys think there's much substance to it?
Probably a few things concerning him.So Boris warned of a potential third wave in the summer (though I'd personally describe it as a fourth wave after the ones in April 2020, November 2020 and January 2021)...
Anyhow, how likely is it really? Assuming vaccination rates continue as they are and given the fact that most (if not all) vulnerable people will have already had the jab, is there really that big of a risk of the NHS being overwhelmed again this summer?
I appreciate his messaging is possibly just a political move to scare the public into compliance. But do you guys think there's much substance to it?
Thank buggery pandas are so inept at breeding, hopefully this ones idiocy wont contaminate the gene pool going forward.
I never knew that's what was keeping their population numbers down. China kept that one quiet.
Thank buggery pandas are so inept at breeding, hopefully this ones idiocy wont contaminate the gene pool going forward.
I wouldn't call people not wearing masks "cracking it" to be honest. Face masks will probably be mandatory for years to come, if people aren't wearing them they're needlessly putting themselves and others at risk.
Hasn't this been the case in many places in the UK even at peak infection time?
I'm in the Dominican Republic at the moment and there's 1000 people in our resort. It's like another world to the UK.
Maybe , but it has been quieter than normal round here until Easter. Second homes and holiday homes for rent have filled up this week and people seem more relaxed and are getting together for bbqs and drinks . Most over 50`s will be jabbed by the weekend so things are definitely looking up , I am getting first jab on Saturday , my wife has had two , mother in law has had one and father in law having his second on Saturday too.
Sounds good . At last things are starting to look a bit more hopeful.
Absolutely - flying to the US on Friday where restaurants are open which will be fantastic!
Remind me, are you vaccinated?
I've had my first jab. The Mrs hasn't been yet.
What happens if the Mrs is called when you’re away?
