7 was good at least. Going fast sure, but still told the story. 8 was just a clusterfeck definitely. I do like the first 3 eps. After that. OofJesus. Remember this was a phenom of a tv series? On course to go down as one of the GOATs?
Cant get over how awful season 7 and second half of season 8 were. Suppose the signs where there in season 5 onwards but the drop in writing quality.
My word. I was obessed with this show.
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Season 7 had the last intrigue plot of the show, even if it was absolutely terrible. When Littlefinger was gone and Varys did absolutely bugger all apart from become a dick joke the last two people who were playing the Game were gone.
You forgot bran
The ultimate game player
Let so many die just to get there
Why do you think he came all that way?
Season 7 was still crap. It included possibly the worst episode of the whole show - episode 6, 'Beyond the wall'. It made absolutely no sense at all.
I always wished they had kept the original dialoge in the Tower of joy scene and I always wanted to see Dawn(Arthur Dayne's legendary sword) as well. They did it well, but i felt it would have been much better just sticking with the original material.
They were seven, facing three. In the dream as it had been in “life. Yet these were no ordinary three. They waited before the round tower, the red mountains of Dorne at their backs, their white cloaks blowing in the wind. And these were no shadows; their faces burned clear, even now. Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning, had a sad smile on his lips.
The hilt of the greatsword Dawn poked up over his right shoulder. Ser Oswell Whent was on one knee, sharpening his blade with a whetstone. Across his white-enameled helm, the black bat of his House spread its wings. Between them stood fierce old Ser Gerold Hightower, the White Bull, Lord Commander of the Kingsguard. “I looked for you on the Trident,” Ned said to them.
“We were not there,” Ser Gerold answered. “Woe to the Usurper if we had been,” said Ser Oswell. “When King’s Landing fell, Ser Jaime slew your king with a golden sword, and I wondered where you were.” “Far away,” Ser Gerold said, “or Aerys would yet sit the Iron Throne, and our false brother would burn in seven hells.” “I came down on Storm’s End to lift the siege,” Ned told them, .,and the and the Lords Tyrell and Redwyne dipped their banners, and all their knights bent the knee to pledge us fealty. I was certain you would be among them.”
“Our knees do not bend easily,” said Ser Arthur Dayne. “Ser Willem Darry is fled to Dragonstone, with your queen and Prince Viserys. I thought you might have sailed with him.” “Ser Willem is a good man and true,” said Ser Oswell. “But not of the Kingsguard,” Ser Gerold pointed out. “The Kingsguard does not flee.” “Then or now,” said Ser Arthur. He donned his helm. “We swore a vow,” explained old Ser Gerold.
Ned’s wraiths moved up beside him, with shadow swords in hand. They were seven against three. “And now it begins,” said Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning. He unsheathed Dawn and held it with both hands. The blade was pale as milkglass, alive with light.
“No,” Ned said with sadness in his voice. “Now it ends.” As they came together in a rush of steel and shadow, he could hear Lyanna screaming. “Eddard!” she called. A storm of rose petals blew across a blood-streaked sky, as blue as the eyes of death.”. “Lord Eddard,” Lyanna called again. “I promise,” he whispered. “Lya, I promise”
The hilt of the greatsword Dawn poked up over his right shoulder. Ser Oswell Whent was on one knee, sharpening his blade with a whetstone. Across his white-enameled helm, the black bat of his House spread its wings. Between them stood fierce old Ser Gerold Hightower, the White Bull, Lord Commander of the Kingsguard. “I looked for you on the Trident,” Ned said to them.
“We were not there,” Ser Gerold answered. “Woe to the Usurper if we had been,” said Ser Oswell. “When King’s Landing fell, Ser Jaime slew your king with a golden sword, and I wondered where you were.” “Far away,” Ser Gerold said, “or Aerys would yet sit the Iron Throne, and our false brother would burn in seven hells.” “I came down on Storm’s End to lift the siege,” Ned told them, .,and the and the Lords Tyrell and Redwyne dipped their banners, and all their knights bent the knee to pledge us fealty. I was certain you would be among them.”
“Our knees do not bend easily,” said Ser Arthur Dayne. “Ser Willem Darry is fled to Dragonstone, with your queen and Prince Viserys. I thought you might have sailed with him.” “Ser Willem is a good man and true,” said Ser Oswell. “But not of the Kingsguard,” Ser Gerold pointed out. “The Kingsguard does not flee.” “Then or now,” said Ser Arthur. He donned his helm. “We swore a vow,” explained old Ser Gerold.
Ned’s wraiths moved up beside him, with shadow swords in hand. They were seven against three. “And now it begins,” said Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning. He unsheathed Dawn and held it with both hands. The blade was pale as milkglass, alive with light.
“No,” Ned said with sadness in his voice. “Now it ends.” As they came together in a rush of steel and shadow, he could hear Lyanna screaming. “Eddard!” she called. A storm of rose petals blew across a blood-streaked sky, as blue as the eyes of death.”. “Lord Eddard,” Lyanna called again. “I promise,” he whispered. “Lya, I promise”
Ah, of course. When you play the Game of Thrones you either win or you scratch your arse for eight seasons and fall into the position.
Sansa tried to sabotage him though by declaring to everyone at the council that he's impotent. Real mastermind she is.
I still maintain that, as amazing as it was, the final episode of Season 6 fecked everything up.
Dany is on her way with three dragons, Dorne in support and her army of Dothraki and Unsullied. Cersei just got rid of her enemies but at the cost of blowing up the church in a heavily religious city. How is Cersei going to get out of this muddle?!
The answer; she isn't. She's screwed. Either Dany toasts her in a second or the zealous peasants revolt.
Unless the writers start making crap up that goes against the essence of the show just simply to make things easier for a character.
Will not top onion knight telling the unsullied to start their own house though
That's 4D chess
Or end up like Jon Snow, completely fecking impotent by the last season.
That's the moment that Cersei should have invited all the common folk in to stop any chances of being torched and they could have had her play up that Dany and her demon dragons are here to continue the work of the mad king.
I mean it could have worked if told correctly
If anything given Tyrions rant about everybody in KL in season 4 he should have been happy to see them all burn
It seems they wanted it not to be rapey But went with that eventuallyHorse boner scene
But then again they wanted Jaime not to be raping Cersei next to joffreys corpse and well...
I hated it so much when it happened but after Season 8 I should've appreciated it more. It's like turning your nose up at a soggy bacon sandwich when you don't have the foresight to realise you're going to die of starvation in the not too distant future.
Yeah I guess. Still, the fact that they needed to play out the whole scene with Arya walking in like she did just shows you how far the writing had fallen by that point.
Little finger was a great character, one of my favourites in the first few seasons. Someone who couldn't really be outsmarted and always appeared 5 steps ahead. Until the later seasons where he seems like a love sick puppy with the IQ of a carrot.
Oh yeah. And the "...Lord Baelish" was the tropiest of tropes. From the man who wrote Troy, I guess.
Loves a bitch.
Such a pathetic death for one of the best characters.
So almost 2 years since s8 and HBO go and release a season 8 trailer
The guy playing Euron was more terrifying in The Investigation and he wasn’t even the bad guy.
It really grinds me gears when people make a throwaway comment about 'how bad the ending of GoT was'. No you dipshit. It noticeably declined the very minute the writers started to diverge from GRRM's written masterpiece, way before the end. It just had some great moments still to carry the rest.
Part of me wants to wipe my memory and rewatch GOT again, but the other part of me says I’d have to rewatch S5-8 again after the amazingness of S1-4.
The wheels started to fall off in S5 when Stannis died the way he did and how badly setup it was, and S5 is where GRRM’s manuscripts end and D&D have to actually write when up to that point they’d been excellent at adapting it to the medium of TV.
It sadly falls into cliched, plot armour laden, CGI porn, action based pile of meh. The best parts of GOT are the character interactions, political powerplays and power struggle. Don’t make it like LOTR because even GRRM has said LOTR did it the best and anyone trying to copy it, will pale in comparison to it.
Some of the major ending plot points I could have seen happening but they were executed so poorly. The White Walkers aspect felt like “oh shit, how do we deal with them?” plus I felt the ending could have been more pyrrhic. It looks like Westeros was back to normal in the final scenes when it should have been a desolate wasteland with the bittersweetness of the survivors slowly rebuilding everything back up.
I did like the concept of having Bran/3EC being the King, since it’s a commentary point that the ideal ruler of a kingdom is a god figure who is genuinely incorruptible, has no ties to family (since Bran is not really a Stark now) and can see every event that has ever taken place and may ever take place (can see every deceit and sleight of hand action). It’s an impossible concept in the real world but is possible in the world of fiction. Deceit and corruption concerning power seems impossible to avoid and the only way that you can truly have the system working is a completly unbiased deity running it, which itself is impossible.
The wheels started to fall off in S5 when Stannis died the way he did and how badly setup it was, and S5 is where GRRM’s manuscripts end and D&D have to actually write when up to that point they’d been excellent at adapting it to the medium of TV.
It sadly falls into cliched, plot armour laden, CGI porn, action based pile of meh. The best parts of GOT are the character interactions, political powerplays and power struggle. Don’t make it like LOTR because even GRRM has said LOTR did it the best and anyone trying to copy it, will pale in comparison to it.
Some of the major ending plot points I could have seen happening but they were executed so poorly. The White Walkers aspect felt like “oh shit, how do we deal with them?” plus I felt the ending could have been more pyrrhic. It looks like Westeros was back to normal in the final scenes when it should have been a desolate wasteland with the bittersweetness of the survivors slowly rebuilding everything back up.
I did like the concept of having Bran/3EC being the King, since it’s a commentary point that the ideal ruler of a kingdom is a god figure who is genuinely incorruptible, has no ties to family (since Bran is not really a Stark now) and can see every event that has ever taken place and may ever take place (can see every deceit and sleight of hand action). It’s an impossible concept in the real world but is possible in the world of fiction. Deceit and corruption concerning power seems impossible to avoid and the only way that you can truly have the system working is a completly unbiased deity running it, which itself is impossible.
Can't believe they included a 'muh queen' line but I guess it's hard to find a scene with Jon Snow where he says anything else.
but I guess it's hard to find a scene with Jon Snow where he says anything else.Let me guess at a timelineSo almost 2 years since s8 and HBO go and release a season 8 trailer
@Chairman Steve I agree with your assessment. It became a completely different type of show - no longer about shades of grey and political intrigue but rather high fantasy with lots of action and dragons and plot armor.
I don’t actually mind the latter in it’s own right, but it’s simply not what GoT was, and what made it so great initially.
I don’t actually mind the latter in it’s own right, but it’s simply not what GoT was, and what made it so great initially.
The ending really sucked
Everyone lost.
HBO lost. Sad state of affairs when they feel the need to milk a cash cow that was butchered and buried years ago.
D&D lost. Sacked from star wars before they could even get started. Poetic justice for these pathetic pricks.
Martin lost. His entire legacy is ruined because he's the laziest cnut ever. Why start something if you're never going to complete it? feck you clown.
The fans lost. Imagine if we had a season 9 last year and a season 10 in the making this year. It would have eased lockdown pains for millions of people. We would have spent endless hours on insane theories, predictions and discussions.
Pisses me off that we had this one thing uniting the world and none of the decision makers could see the real value it brought to the world.
HBO lost. Sad state of affairs when they feel the need to milk a cash cow that was butchered and buried years ago.
D&D lost. Sacked from star wars before they could even get started. Poetic justice for these pathetic pricks.
Martin lost. His entire legacy is ruined because he's the laziest cnut ever. Why start something if you're never going to complete it? feck you clown.
The fans lost. Imagine if we had a season 9 last year and a season 10 in the making this year. It would have eased lockdown pains for millions of people. We would have spent endless hours on insane theories, predictions and discussions.
Pisses me off that we had this one thing uniting the world and none of the decision makers could see the real value it brought to the world.
Funnily enough I started rewatching this last week. I’m up to The Door episode as we speak and it really has been incredible so far.
It was done very poorly and rushed but I would disagree that the ending was inherently bad.
Great summary.
The pacing in the earlier seasons was so good, the story was progressing each episode but not at the all-out ridiculous pace of later seasons. The way Ned investigated & found out about Gendry & Robert’s bastards then uncovered the truth about the Lannisters, then confronts Cersei leading to his arrest & ultimately Joffrey’s power play - just brilliant drama over several episodes. The action sequences got bigger & better in the later seasons, but IMO the story suffered & we ended up with rushed nonsense like season 8.
It’s crazy how much of a cultural impact this show had. You literally couldn’t get away from it. I still remember Arya Stark appearing in the NQ in the days after The Long Night aired. To have built something up to be so big and suddenly think nah cba, it’s laughable now. The final two seasons were indeed terrible but the finale was the icing on the cake, it’s as if they wanted to sabotage their own legacy.
Happens on Reddit a lot, because it's an easy low effort way to get karma. Especially r/freefolk
"Season 8 was bad Iol" +32k upvotes. Yes we know, well done for your insightful post.
"It should've been ten seasons" +32k upvotes. Great, why not twenty seasons? Care to elaborate on how you would write it for ten seasons? No? Well feck off then.
"D&D kinda forgot about this character (usually Quaithe)" +32 upvotes. Yeah, they forgot about her because she does literally nothing of value throughout the story. She appears in three dream sequences, out of four subsequent books. fecking Moonboy is mentioned more than her.
D&D properly fecked up but they put more effort into the shitshow they gave us than the majority of the complaints that folk have.
Yeah it's such a trendy critique. It's like what you'd expect Gwenyth Paltrow to say about it 'oh ya ya got ending so bad ya hahaha'. When people just blase say it had a bad ending it lets me know what kind of person they are on so many levels. I don't want to get drawn into it because it'll upset me but these people don't even see how they turned one of the greatest characters; Sandor Clegane, into some caricature who has lines worthy of a sitcom on comedy central. They butchered my boy.