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Blair would have sent air strikes by now.
That would've been the big problem with the 2024 CL format, and it's going to be the problem with the Super League too.Honestly it's been killing basketball for soo long. It really doesn't matter what you do in the regular season. People genuinely don't care and often viewing numbers fall alot compared to playoff season.
Well of course in the grand scheme of things! Haha, thought you meant people who closely follow the NBA.I watch the NBA regular season too! You can have a lot of people watching something and a lot of people not watching too. There are lot of people
Whilst I don't agree with how they are going about this, from some perspectives I can understand why.
1. Corruption at the core of FIFA and UEFA raises doubts as to how licencing income is being used. Teams possibly believe they deserve more control when they "earn" the bulk of this.
2. Continuously fighting for a CL spot is proving troublesome for English teams who it would seem prefer more predictable cash flows.
3. Real and Barca may actually be in real trouble without this which could ultimately damage the CL.
4. A complete abandonment of financial fair play rules has proven an advantage to state owned teams, which needs to be managed.
Personally I hate the whole idea but the fact that UEFA and FIFA are claiming a moral high ground is laughable given their corruption issues. Additionally, any government involvement in this is a gross over reach of powers imo, these are private businesses despite the nostalgia amongst fans.
[...] the Juventus president, Andrea Agnelli, used his platform at the Financial Times Business of Football Summit in March last year to question whether a team like theirs deserved entry to Europe’s top club competition. “I have great respect for what Atalanta are doing, but without any international history, and with a great sporting performance, they had direct access to the Champions League,” said Agnelli. “Then, think about Roma, who have contributed in recent years to maintaining Italy’s [Uefa coefficient] ranking, who had one bad season and are out, with all the consequences that brings on an economic level. We need to protect investments.”
Of course they do. Them having more control just isn't necessarily a good thing. We all know of the corruption issues surrounding the governing bodies, it just comes with the money. But for all their flaws, at the core UEFA and FIFA are exactly that: governing bodies. Ideally independent regulatory entities. How anyone can believe that completely unregulated backroom deals between Perez, the Sheikh, Abramovic, Ed et al are really gong to be beneficial to the sport is beyond me. It's just a cartel, there's a reason most countries have laws against these kinds of alliances.Whilst I don't agree with how they are going about this, from some perspectives I can understand why.
1. Corruption at the core of FIFA and UEFA raises doubts as to how licencing income is being used. Teams possibly believe they deserve more control when they "earn" the bulk of this.
As it should be, that's what competition is about. Poor Glazers want predictable cashflows? Go into real estate for all I care, football is based on competition and therefore can be unpredictable. Hint: Otherwise no one would watch it in the first place.2. Continuously fighting for a CL spot is proving troublesome for English teams who it would seem prefer more predictable cash flows.
Again, as they should be after years of mismanagement. Why should those clubs be immune to what befell Nottingham Forest, Red Star Belgrade or HSV. All European Cup Winners in their time. Some fade away, some join the fray, it's the way of the world.3. Real and Barca may actually be in real trouble without this which could ultimately damage the CL.
By giving the financial advantage to 12 clubs instead4. A complete abandonment of financial fair play rules has proven an advantage to state owned teams, which needs to be managed.
In regards to FIFA/UEFA I'm inclined to take a "the devil you know" stance. For all their flaws, they at least never showed as much open contempt for their fanbase as these new lot do. And as I said above, I have my doubts that under this new government, corruption will be a no-go. Due to the unregulated nature of the whole endeavour, even more possibilities for such shenanigans opened up imo. The money just ends in someone elses pocket.Personally I hate the whole idea but the fact that UEFA and FIFA are claiming a moral high ground is laughable given their corruption issues. Additionally, any government involvement in this is a gross over reach of powers imo, these are private businesses despite the nostalgia amongst fans.
The glazers are helping to drive this. The whole moral high ground on our part rings hollow now.I’d be all for this if it was geared towards ridding the game of plastic clubs like City, PSG and Chelsea.
The fact we would have to play them more than we already do makes this even less appealing than it already is.
Don't agree with this at all.It all depends on money. If all the money from sponsors and TV goes to the SL then it doesn't matter what the likes of Everton or West Ham do in the champions league the money will disappear they won't be able to run the way they currently do and there won't be any money to trickle down because the teams won't even have enough to play their players or staff etc. That is why it will be the end of football at a grassroots level. That is also why in america you have little to no grassroots games in the major sports.
Its a strange experience for you all in England. The league itself is enticing. The thought of Man palying Barca or Real mid week instead of Burnley, Fulham or West Brom would be appointment T.V. I would have to be honest and say I'll be watching. Being an N.F.L. fan as well, playing the same teams each year doesn't get boring. I would still like for Man to play in the P.L.What I would like to point out is that, whatever happens to the Champions League and/or the ESL, they are fundamentally limited in viewing figures because of the mid-week matches.
How do our American and Asian Caf-members view these games? 8pm UK time is 3pm in New York.
There is a fundamental limit to what any new "Super League" can achieve when it occupies mid-week slots.
You can replace one supermarket with another. You can’t just choose another club though. That’s the exact point.I could argue you are comparing the food supply chain to kicking a ball around on TV, one certainly should be a higher priority for the government than the other!
I have a feeling they won’t be allowed to transfer from FIFA related clubs but let’s see.I’m concerned with these huge cash injections that have been bandied about that Sancho, Grealish, Haaland, etc will be snapped up by the ESL clubs. They’ll continue to do that which will further weaken teams that are not in the ESL.
Absolutely. It will turn the ESL into the NFL and the rest of football into feeder clubs for the ESL teams like college football in the US. So basically what it essentially is, just more codified and formal.I’m concerned with these huge cash injections that have been bandied about that Sancho, Grealish, Haaland, etc will be snapped up by the ESL clubs. They’ll continue to do that which will further weaken teams that are not in the ESL.
All fans. Surely the sport actively favouring 15 clubs and as part of its rules giving them preferential treatment regardless of future performances, damages the sport in general, which isn't good for people who love the sport? Also, why are fans of the non elite clubs not important?I gotta ask the people who are against it.
What do they mean they don't care about the fans? Whose fans? The fans of the non-elite clubs? It's a rather bizarre argument.
Trying to understand the rationale.
The likes of Sancho, Halaand etc cannot be afforded by other clubs anyway so it won't change that. But of course it actively seeks to widen the gap which is damaging for the sport. The CL itself is a club joining which makes you more powerful, but the difference of course is that anybody can make it in based on performances and the rules dont favour a select few regardless of performance. It's an absurd idea and so disappointing that we are among the clubs who beleive in this.I’m concerned with these huge cash injections that have been bandied about that Sancho, Grealish, Haaland, etc will be snapped up by the ESL clubs. They’ll continue to do that which will further weaken teams that are not in the ESL.
Yes, I wouldn't really care if the CL was replaced. The exclusivity thing is the problem. Maybe fan backlash will force them to change it.An ESL with no safe 15. Is basically a CL
It's all about money. Stop bringing UEFA is corrupt etc while we're doing exactly the same thing. Just more money. Since it's ours.
They won’t, they need to be smashed down. It was the whole point for them to do that breakaway.Yes, I wouldn't really care if the CL was replaced. The exclusivity thing is the problem. Maybe fan backlash will force them to change it.
You cannot compare how United/Liverpool/Spurs/Arsenal are run to UEFA, they are not corrupt. Don't confuse being ruthless for corruption, we might not like what they are doing but they aren't the same thing.An ESL with no safe 15. Is basically a CL
It's all about money. Stop bringing UEFA is corrupt etc while we're doing exactly the same thing. Just more money. Since it's ours.
Not yet but when they're in control of this league.. what level of depravity will they drop to?Just look at Ac Milans new owner. Utter vindictive scum.You cannot compare how United/Liverpool/Spurs/Arsenal are run to UEFA, they are not corrupt. Don't confuse being ruthless for corruption, we might not like what they are doing but they aren't the same thing.
Chelsea/City I can't comment on...
Champions league viewership is down and so will revenues be, since viewership is what drives revenues. In terms of viewership its doesnt get watched enough until the knockouts. The dilution of the competition (by adding weak teams) over the years has caused this.Am I missing something with regards to the CL? In the past few years, CL has produced some of the most exciting football around. Suddenly, everyone has a problem with CL being boring or corrupt.
Also, I genuinely don't buy the random argument thrown around that UEFA and FIFA are also corrupt hence ESL is all well and good. The issue that is being discussed and debated is whether ESL as a concept will add value without being damaging to the fairness of what competitive sport is. You can shoot the messenger, but the message will still stand.
As a club, we have been extremely poor in the last decade or so and hence, we have been struggling to get CL football. Similar cases for Arsenal, Spurs and AC Milan. To think that we can trample the competition just because we're the bigger brand name is a repulsive thought process.
I believe I can say this for most of the people here. We fell in love with the sport first and then Manchester United. If we do end up in the ESL, we wouldn't be supporting United, we'll be supporting Glazers and Woodward. FFS, even Fergie is so vocally against it. Not sure if we need any other motivation.
There is money at all levels.Don't agree with this at all.
I watch the NHL. Below that is the AHL, then ECHL. There is plenty of hockey below that as well.
Don't know about the other major US sports as I don't watch them.
Agreed, also some of the so called Super Teams are not really Elite at all,I enjoyed the post. Good summary of what has happened over the last decade or so. When you think about what has happened, and how big money has caused these clubs to be seen as more of an investment, it's almost inevitable that they would take action to secure their investments by removing the instability of being out of the CL. Unfortunately for the sport, this will cause possibly devastating results to the non-elite clubs and in the long run, water down what the elite do. It will be far far less compelling to watch the EPL, knowing that the "elite" clubs are just going through the motions, especially where one club (currently City) is far and above the rest. Like who really gives a feck about the league now..? The Super League (more like plastic league) seems boring. Same fecking teams wanking each other off until Bayern or Barca win it. Meanwhile the likes of Tottenham, Arsenal, and possibly us, will be the Super League whipping boys. No fairytale stories. Just the same old shite year after year.
They have simply done it by which clubs draw the most fan viewershipAgreed, also some of the so called Super Teams are not really Elite at all,
- Arsenal
- Tottenham
- AC Milan
AC Milan are a historical giant but they have been shit for the past 10 years (I think if anyone is to be invited it should be Napoli perhaps).
Spurs only recently become a team that might be in top four contention, and they didn't qualify to CL last year.
Arsenal didn't qualify to CL since 2016, so nothing is "Elite" about that.
Manchester United were in a rebuild since Fergie left and were in a shit seasons for many times.