European Super League

Do you want the ESL to happen?


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But they threaten to reduce it to 14? Without the 6 they are a dead league walking.
They threatened to expell 6 PL clubs only if they join the ESL, which is fair enough, but they absolutely will not reduce the number of PL teams to accomidate a new league that goes against everything they stand for. That would be crazy.
 

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I don’t think anyone deserves a guaranteed place in any competition. This competition isn’t about earning a right to be in it. It’s about what the ‘founders’ believe will earn them the most money. In that case, Arsenal are more appropriate for it than Everton, Villa, Forest, Benfica or even Ajax. Nobody should be surprised about the clubs that have been selected based on what this whole thing is all about. Money.
Indeed, and that's my point. I agree with the rest of that.
 

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I had no idea he worked there.

How does someone oversee a huge decline with a bunch of decisions that are roundly criticised over the years and then get a job at another huge club?

God I wish I had one day in my job with the lack of accountability that football executives have.
Mate it happens everywhere, it’s all nepotism. One of the high level executives at my workplace was CEO of his previous company, his mismanagement was so poor he tanked the business and a lot of people lost their jobs. Wasn’t even six months before he walked in to our place on a six figure salary. This is just how the world works. Some people play by different rules.
 

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A chilling thought is they have already thought about all of this and they are not bothered about "legacy fans". They are reaching out to the under-25's who may be willing to pay money for these kind of matches.

Hell. They may already have a good idea how much they can see this to the Asian market and beyond. Maybe they think they don't need match going fans anymore
I 100% believe this is the plan, yes. The owners have come to the conclusion from this pandemic year, that they don't need the local fans anymore. They're only interested in the fans of the future, making it Fifa like.

They can make a lot more, selling the streaming rights themselves to other markets around the world, that won't care about our national game being dismantled, only tuning in to see their favourite stars vs. each other every week.
 

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This is a danish newspaper, who quotes Reuters:


The Madrid court does not believe that there is any legal basis for Fifa and Uefa to slow down the Super League or sanction.

Likewise, the court rules that the federations cannot sanction either clubs or players at present with the current knowledge of the Super League.
 

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Mate it happens everywhere, it’s all nepotism. One of the high level executives at my workplace was CEO of his previous company, his mismanagement was so poor he tanked the business and a lot of people lost their jobs. Wasn’t even six months before he walked in to our place on a six figure salary. This is just how the world works. Some people play by different rules.
Amazing really isn't it.
 

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I mean we're obviously fecking this up but personally at least I'd make a distinction between those doing all they can to push this and those who are accomplices. Perhaps I'm just splitting hairs though.
Of course Chelsea and City are followers and didn’t initiate the whole thing. Why would they after all? Their owners have enough money so their clubs are the least effected even by a global pandemic. They are obviously very reluctantly going to give up that huge advantage.

Anyway I believe this will go on for a few more days, then ESL clubs and UEFA will find some agreements and then hopefully the whole ESL idea will be dead.
We will then get statements from UEFA and the ESL clubs claiming how they all care about fans and the whole football community and that they all basically wanted the same stuff and there were just some misunderstandings, blah blah ...
 

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But every club having signed up to it is huge news. It was always described as a threat but they went out and did it and not a peep.
I do wonder if a few journos were enticed to keep quiet, hence the soft coverage of Chelsea and City. Lets see if they suddenly break some big transfer news over the summer.
There were rumours clubs signed before, they just denied it
 

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But according to Perez - if real madrid crashes - football dies, wouldn't you know... So we can't let that happen.
If you replace the word football last night from his interview, with the word Real Madrid, things makes a lot more sense.

"REAL MADRID has to evolve, like companies and people."

“Networks have changed the way they behave and REAL MADRID has to change and adapt to the times we live in."

“Fans are losing interest in REAL MADRID. There are many poor quality matches and the younger people are not interested."

REAL MADRID's audiences are decreasing and rights are decreasing and something had to be done."

“It is not a league for the rich, it is a league to save REAL MADRID, save the most modest teams, because, without it, REAL MADRID will disappear."

“What does the whole world demand? We have fans all over the world who want competitive REAL MADRID to watch."

“So we are going to talk to Uefa and Fifa, I don't know why they have to get angry because when I say we will save REAL MADRID, I mean save everyone, to save the game for the next 20 years so it can live in peace."

See, his thinking works suddenly.
 

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It's from Sky so take as you will...

You can either hear it or directly read Sky's comment in the description.
Laughable. The "Owners" (as they are, I suspect deliberately referred to) are clueless. This isn't the NFL where the players have no option but to be part of the league, the players will have other options if they wish.

Clearly the ESL is going to generate increased revenue - there's talk of £300 million a season. That's not going to result in every player being recompensed enough over and above what they earn now to give up International games. Some, obviously will, but ta lot of players will have their pick of other wealthy clubs.
 

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They threatened to expell 6 PL clubs only if they join the ESL, which is fair enough, but they absolutely will not reduce the number of PL teams to accomidate a new league that goes against everything they stand for. That would be crazy.
If it means they don't lose their revenue stream they might, the PL package will be worth considerably less without those six clubs. It seems to have gone too far for any of the SL clubs to back out now.
 

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If you replace the word football last night from his interview, with the word Real Madrid, things makes a lot more sense.

"REAL MADRID has to evolve, like companies and people."

“Networks have changed the way they behave and REAL MADRID has to change and adapt to the times we live in."

“Fans are losing interest in REAL MADRID. There are many poor quality matches and the younger people are not interested."

REAL MADRID's audiences are decreasing and rights are decreasing and something had to be done."

“It is not a league for the rich, it is a league to save REAL MADRID, save the most modest teams, because, without it, REAL MADRID will disappear."

“What does the whole world demand? We have fans all over the world who want competitive REAL MADRID to watch."

“So we are going to talk to Uefa and Fifa, I don't know why they have to get angry because when I say we will save REAL MADRID, I mean save everyone, to save the game for the next 20 years so it can live in peace."

See, his thinking works suddenly.
:lol:

This is amazing and actually quite telling.
 

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The Bundesliga will be the biggest league if this super league becomes anything. No team from this league has chosen to participate in the betrayal, and the league thus retains the strongest teams. Players can continue to play at the top level and on the national team at the same time.
 

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I'm 100% certain they don't need them financially, but for the spectacle you really do need full stadiums (and not full of tourists on a jolly).
I don't know anyone who particularly enjoys watching games at the moment, I mean we watch them because there is no choice, but it just wouldn't be the same if grounds were only ever 20% full or whatever.

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You don't think they haven't factored it in? They could probably give tickets away for free for the atmosphere, and still make more doing it this way. It's horrifying but it's possible. The only thing they haven't factored in is players and managers being unwilling to take part. It's stopped dead then.
 

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List of clubs who have made Champions League QFs more recently than Arsenal: Shakhtar, Schalke, Marseille, APOEL, Benfica, Malaga, Galatasaray, Porto, Monaco, Wolfsburg, Leicester, Sevilla, Roma, Ajax, Leipzig, Atalanta, Lyon
 

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Of course Chelsea and City are followers and didn’t initiate the whole thing. Why would they after all? Their owners have enough money so their clubs are the least effected even by a global pandemic. They are obviously very reluctantly going to give up that huge advantage.

Anyway I believe this will go on for a few more days, then ESL clubs and UEFA will find some agreements and then hopefully the whole ESL idea will be dead.
We will then get statements from UEFA and the ESL clubs claiming how they all care about fans and the whole football community and that they all basically wanted the same stuff and there were just some misunderstandings, blah blah ...
Hope you're right mate. Part of me definitely hopes either Chelsea or City come to their senses and step away as I think that'd have a domino effect, but I'll certainly not hold my breath.
 

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Even if they don't dominate: they no longer have any incentive to compete if they can't win the league. Six-way title races are incredibly rare (non-existent, really) and with league position being otherwise completely inconsequential, they could just focus on the SL. It distorts the competition when teams around them at the same time are going for Champions League football.
Oh yeah. 100%. We’ll see big clubs sending out their kids to play in “Super Sunday” matches because they have an SL game the following mid-week. I don’t see this as anything other than a disaster for the PL.
 

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Of course City would be keen to back out. They don’t need the money. If you are on top, can spend more than anyone else, and already have billions behind you, why would you want this?

Thye have obviously joined up not wanting to be left out of the top table, but would love an escape.

Hopefully that can be used to stop it from happening.
 

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The Glazers involvement in this is tragically hilarious. Many of the other owners actually put money into their clubs and while it comes from a place of greed have a better standing to say they want higher returns on what they expended. Glazers haven't spent jack, threw us in debt and are now mortgaging the goodwill built from a 100 years of history to say they deserve even more. At least these leeches are now everyone's problem, not just us
 

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Spain institutions seem to be as crooked as Perez. Hardly surprising they have set up their little company in Spain.