Marcus
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I don't care if De Gea would have felt that it was a Krul move. As it is, he is suffering all the more now.
De Gea had the worst record of saving penalties anyway, I don’t think anyone would blame the decision even if we lost with Henderson.If we'd have brought Henderson on and lost, the inquisition would instead be asking why we didn't keep de Gea on.
One saved 6 penalty last year (that’s what I heard), the other failed to save even a single penalty over past 5 years, I don’t think it’s even a question.I don’t think it’s about fear but loyalty and respect, which are big contributors to good camaraderie and a positive environment. Ole has been widely praised as a good man manager, and it’s the thing that he most valued in Sir Alex.
We have two keepers at a similar level. They were told that the one that earns his place in the first team will play the league games, but the backup won’t be pushed to the side, they are too good for that, so they will play the cup games. All of them. If he were to disregard that commitment in the moment, it would be disrespectful to the individual, having lasting effects on their morale, but it would also send a bad signal to the rest of the squad. They wouldn’t trust him.
I don’t think Ole is a good manager but he has the trust of his players. If he threw that away he would be putting short term gain ahead of long term pain. Strategically it doesn’t make sense. It just isn’t as simple as this one moment. That’s why keepers generally aren’t pulled out at the last moment. It would be damaging in the long term.
This. It's a nothing argument.If we'd have brought Henderson on and lost, the inquisition would instead be asking why we didn't keep de Gea on.
I don't think so. De Gea's inability to save penalties is widely known around here. I get why he didn't do it though. @Brwned has it spot on. Ole makes decisions based around his man management.If we'd have brought Henderson on and lost, the inquisition would instead be asking why we didn't keep de Gea on.
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To be fair just because this is the majority case does not mean statistically it is the best thing to do.He didn’t take him off for the same reason 99% of managers do not take off their keepers for a shootout. Stats don’t feature in that conversation
He was bringing on other penalty takers.
The bigger problem is why the feck we can't defend set-pieces, why the feck he doesn't make subs to impact the actual game and why the feck we were forced to a penalty shoot-out at all.
This. Of course in hindsight it would have been better to bring on Henderson, but we should have won that game long before shotoutsWe shouldve won within regular time.
Not really. Since De Gea saved a pen, Henderson had saved 6. Sure, it could have not worked, but the job of the manager is to maximize the chances of winning.If we'd have brought Henderson on and lost, the inquisition would instead be asking why we didn't keep de Gea on.
Yeah fortunately Ole gave him the send off he deserved with 11 penalties conceded and personally missing our 11th which is a much better way to go out.It's likely De Gea's final appearance here. You just don't do that.
Have you seen De Gea's stat when it comes to penalties?If we'd have brought Henderson on and lost, the inquisition would instead be asking why we didn't keep de Gea on.
At the end of the day, it's Ole's job to do what's best for the club, not what's best for the player.De Gea's pride would have been crushed being taken off for the penalties, but with how it ended up going, it probably would have been a massive favour to save him from that quite honestly comical display.
If you go by statistics. It would be logical to sub Henderson on for the penalties. Deano faced less penalties compared to De Gea but the stopping average percentage is much higher.If we'd have brought Henderson on and lost, the inquisition would instead be asking why we didn't keep de Gea on.
This.He was bringing on other penalty takers.
The bigger problem is why the feck we can't defend set-pieces, why the feck he doesn't make subs to impact the actual game and why the feck we were forced to a penalty shoot-out at all.
Penalties are lotteries.
It does defy logic that he's looked hopeless at facing literal shots in the context of penalties his entire career.The weirdest thing about De Gea and penalties is that for the last decade he had been arguably the best shot stopper in the world and his style is all about choosing to stay on his line and use his lightning reactions and instincts. Logically, they should be his bread and butter.
Agreed. To me the only way to make it work is to ask De Gea, both before the game and in those final minutes, do you want to be in there for the penalties? I assume he did that and De Gea said yes, but honestly I’m not sure why he would.To be fair just because this is the majority case does not mean statistically it is the best thing to do.
Calling penalties a sheer lottery is a cowards way of just not taking responsibility for trying to improve or get that edge for them.
I understand your point about damage to relationships and trust but this is something that should be covered off before knockout games with a chat with the player. De Gea record in penalties is so so bad that it merits being brought up to the player and decisions made accordingly.
I think penalties are different to in game saves. Same as shooting penalties and converting chances. You have to practice them, as they are a bit different.The weirdest thing about De Gea and penalties is that for the last decade he had been arguably the best shot stopper in the world and his style is all about choosing to stay on his line and use his lightning reactions and instincts. Logically, they should be his bread and butter.
More reason to maximin, even if that was true.Penalties are lotteries. No guarantee Hendo would save one.
to a degree they are! Prep all you want, but it comes down to an individual.
No, everyone knew going into this that DDG can't save a pen to save his life. Villarreal players knew it better than anyone else.If we'd have brought Henderson on and lost, the inquisition would instead be asking why we didn't keep de Gea on.
In a penalty shootout the keeper isn't often blamed for the loss. This was actually one of the few times you could do that as you always felt that the Villareal players would score. DDG wasn't even close to saving a penalty (and was the only player who failed to score).De Gea had the worst record of saving penalties anyway, I don’t think anyone would blame the decision even if we lost with Henderson.
why worry about that sub when he’s done a shitload wrong across the entire game? He could have brought Hendo on - but he made a balls of the 90 minutes as per rest of my postsMore reason to maximin, even if that was true.
If Henderson was 1% percent better than De Gea in a PK shootout, then you should sub him in every time.
Ole still had one sub left what did he save it for? the next final/semi final?
Plus the damage to morale of at least De Gea, and maybe any pals seeing him as harshly treated.If we'd have brought Henderson on and lost, the inquisition would instead be asking why we didn't keep de Gea on.
2 were in the final minutes for pens and the other 3 were injury enforced after 100 minutes of play.United made 5 subs when 6 were allowed
He got a hand on a couple didn't he?In a penalty shootout the keeper isn't often blamed for the loss. This was actually one of the few times you could do that as you always felt that the Villareal players would score. DDG wasn't even close to saving a penalty (and was the only player who failed to score).
His point was that we still had another sub available.2 were in the final minutes for pens and the other 3 were injury enforced after 100 minutes of play.
Oh I thought he was arguing ole used his bench wellHis point was that we still had another sub available.