ForeverRed1
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Sell pogba, sell martial, sell James. Buy grealish and camavinga.
I’m not sure what you mean by “respecting” as it’s the opposite of how Pogba and his agent have behaved.Why would a player respecting his contract be out of order?
That's the players prerogative.I agree in the main. But what about if he stays but doesn’t sign a new contract and turns down all moves so he can go on a free? Would you not take that as being a bit out of order?
Was just thinking the same thing myself.What a weird bunch of.posters.
If think that you know exactly what I mean by respecting the terms of his contract, it's not a complicated concept. If a player signs a 6 year contract and leave after 6 years, he did what was stipulated in his contract. What is out of order is to attack the character of someone because you believe that your club is entitled to a transfer fee.I’m not sure what you mean by “respecting” as it’s the opposite of how Pogba and his agent have behaved.
Playing out your contract when your club is not offering to extend is all good.
When a player in his prime is offered decent new contracts and purposely runs down their existing decent contract just so they can get even more money when they leave for free, not to mention, throughout this time always in the news wanting to leave, a fan can reasonably question that level of greed and self interest at the expense of the club (who, in all appearance backed him ahead of a manager, although that is a side issue), if they want.
You might think that is fine but it can’t be a shock to you if some think it is out of order.
Agreed. We might lose out in the short term but long term we'll be better off without him. I'm tired and I think the team and Ole are tired of figuring out what position to get the best out of him every three months. Ole likes having two midfielders who hold position, so lets finally get those players in.Now's the time to cash out on Pogba if he isn't signing a new deal. £50-60m and I'd let him go, this can't rumble on for another season.
That's a rather simplistic take on things.If think that you know exactly what I mean by respecting the terms of his contract, it's not a complicated concept. If a player signs a 6 year contract and leave after 6 years, he did what was stipulated in his contract. What is out of order is to attack the character of someone because you believe that your club is entitled to a transfer fee.
The only other person I have seen divide this place so absolutely and create such acrimony, is Mourinho.I hate his fanboys and I hate his haters.
Let's not start that nonsense, the question was about him leaving free at the end of his contract being out of order. None of what you wrote has something to do with him leaving on a free, in fact you pushed the topic of the question aside in order to talk about Raiola.That's a rather simplistic take on things.
Listen, if Pogba ran down his contract but whilst he was playing for us he knuckled down, gave 100% then I don't think it would be so much of an issue if he felt he wanted to go on a free. The reality is that he has caused a sh*tstorm of negative publicity about his contract and even wanting to play for us via his agent and mouthpiece, Raiola.
Raiola has come out several times with press releases saying Pogba is unhappy or whatever. He even touted Pogba to Man City at one point and you think that is "respecting" his contract?
Pogba is Raiola's client, not the other way around. Whatever Raiola says or does is at the approval of Pogba. If you (naively) think Raiola is shooting his mouth off without Pogba's knowledge then it's not difficult for Pogba to publicly correct the story.....he hasn't.
So yes. If a player has a six year contract and he runs that down without renewing then the player has theoretiocally "respected" the terms of his contract but it isn't black and white.
I do get the drift. It is absolutely the players’ prerogative.That's the players prerogative.
We are hoping to get Varane who's also on his last year of the contract for a very good fee. Madrid has just lost Ramos to a free transfer. PSG could lose Mbappe. I could go on naming players but you get the drift.
How can it be out of order? A contract is a contract. You sign it and youre obligated to fulfill it. It also has an end date at which your obligations end. Theres absolutely nothing wrong with fulfilling your contract and then leaving at which point youre entitled to negotiate a new contract with whoever you choose.I’m not sure what you mean by “respecting” as it’s the opposite of how Pogba and his agent have behaved.
Playing out your contract when your club is not offering to extend is all good.
When a player in his prime is offered decent new contracts and purposely runs down their existing decent contract just so they can get even more money when they leave for free, not to mention, throughout this time always in the news wanting to leave, a fan can reasonably question that level of greed and self interest at the expense of the club (who, in all appearance backed him ahead of a manager, although that is a side issue), if they want.
You might think that is fine but it can’t be a shock to you if some think it is out of order.
Righteous.If think that you know exactly what I mean by respecting the terms of his contract, it's not a complicated concept. If a player signs a 6 year contract and leave after 6 years, he did what was stipulated in his contract. What is out of order is to attack the character of someone because you believe that your club is entitled to a transfer fee.
What do you mean by that?Righteous.
Yeah.How can it be out of order? A contract is a contract. You sign it and youre obligated to fulfill it. It also has an end date at which your obligations end. Theres absolutely nothing wrong with fulfilling your contract and then leaving at which point youre entitled to negotiate a new contract with whoever you choose.
I mean: “if it’s in the contract it must be right, praise the lord for things being so simple”. If you’re cool with it, go in peace. I’m not.What do you mean by that?
The reason players extend has little to do with loyalty, even though from a communication standpoint they will sell you that story. The reason players extend their contracts and prefer to move through transfers instead of free agency is that they get contract continuity. There is a massive risk in playing the free agency game, if you have a long term injury during the last months or even days of your contract, you can lose millions which isn't the case when you move through a transfer.Yeah.
It is a known thing for players to extend even if they intend to leave in a year. Some call it loyalty, some call it stupidity.
I wasn’t expecting to discover this but despite being pretty easy going on the whole, I seem to be in a minority of people who feel Pogba has generally been disrespectful to the club whilst here and may possibly purposely refuse all other options so he can go for free as a final kick in the teeth. He won’t be the first to do it but as far as I know, it’s not common for fans to take this kind of bs lying down.
Victor Valdes being an example, I supposeThe reason players extend has little to do with loyalty, even though from a communication standpoint they will sell you that story. The reason players extend their contracts and prefer to move through transfers instead of free agency is that they get contract continuity. There is a massive risk in playing the free agency game, if you have a long term injury during the last months or even days of your contract, you can lose millions which isn't the case when you move through a transfer.
Yes this is persuasive.If PSG offer us good money we should bite their hand off in order to end this circus. If we cannot replace him immediately we may be slightly weaker, but in the long term it will be better as we'll be able to use those funds. But hopefully we'd have time to get somebody in.
However if we keep him for a year I think that's also okay. There was no indication he has downed tools. The owners will not like this as it goes against their method of "retaining value" but it shouldn't be that bad for us. We can't force him to sign a contract and to be honest it may not even be the best thing if he did. Nor can we put an acceptable bid on the table, so we rather have to accept things as they come.
We either have a very good player to count on next season or we get good funds in, it's not a disastrous situation because ultimately the player hasn't been a complete success for us.
Probably some truth in this.The reason players extend has little to do with loyalty, even though from a communication standpoint they will sell you that story. The reason players extend their contracts and prefer to move through transfers instead of free agency is that they get contract continuity. There is a massive risk in playing the free agency game, if you have a long term injury during the last months or even days of your contract, you can lose millions which isn't the case when you move through a transfer.
You don't think that contracts should have end terms? And I'm cool with it because most sports work with free agency, the only sport that widely work with this perverted transfer system is Football.I mean: “if it’s in the contract it must be right, praise the lord for things being so simple”. If you’re cool with it, go in peace. I’m not.
Yeah it is perverted. In the old days you couldn’t go for free even at the end of a contract. Probably where my indignation is rooted.You don't think that contracts should have end terms? And I'm cool with it because most sports work with free agency, the only sport that widely work with this perverted transfer system is Football.
To be fair, if any club had offered to buy him, and offered a fair amount we'd have sold him in the last couple of summers I'd have thought and he'd have gone. It's not as if he's been turning down moves so he can move for free? Should he sign a new contract even though he seemingly doesn't want to be here just so we can get more money for him, when clearly no one can or wants to spend big money on him, thus he ends up here for longer and the cycle of this shite continuing?Player running down his contract to leave on free and send a big feck you to his club is a clear disrespect for this club.
You need to be ridiculously biased towards such player to argue otherwise.
Yes , you are living in the 80s it seems. I envy that to be honest.Yeah it is perverted. In the old days you couldn’t go for free even at the end of a contract. Probably where my indignation is rooted.
Why should a player renew if they don’t want to?Player running down his contract to leave on free and send a big feck you to his club is a clear disrespect for this club.
You need to be ridiculously biased towards such player to argue otherwise.
His agent clearly has been disrespectful on his behalf and his application at times has been poor and at his best we havent managed to fit him in tactically.Yeah.
It is a known thing for players to extend even if they intend to leave in a year. Some call it loyalty, some call it stupidity.
I wasn’t expecting to discover this but despite being pretty easy going on the whole, I seem to be in a minority of people who feel Pogba has generally been disrespectful to the club whilst here and may possibly purposely refuse all other options so he can go for free as a final kick in the teeth. He won’t be the first to do it but as far as I know, it’s not common for fans to take this kind of bs lying down.
My point is that the most logical system should be built around free agency. You sign a free agent for x amount of years, he plays for that amount of years and either extend or leave. The system around transfer fee speculation where a club purchase a player for x amount and expect to either extend him or sell him for y amount is in my opinion wrong.Yeah it is perverted. In the old days you couldn’t go for free even at the end of a contract. Probably where my indignation is rooted.
If contract law = morality then you might have a point.His agent clearly has been disrespectful on his behalf and his application at times has been poor and at his best we havent managed to fit him in tactically.
None of that has absolutely anything to do with his contract which is an agreement to play for us for a specified period. When that period ends hes no longer our player. If we dont agree a new contract or agree to sell before his contract expires then our rights over the player end irrespective of how much he cost. We're talking about contract law here, how can he be morally out of line whilst complying with contract law?