mancan92
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Fair enough got my numbers wrong. Regardless they still lack any options except from jota.Liverpool's attackers are all 29
Fair enough got my numbers wrong. Regardless they still lack any options except from jota.Liverpool's attackers are all 29
Since when are players around 30 year old finished? These days it is the prime of careers, judged by various examples in several sports.Alot? On paper how are Liverpool alot infront of us? Their attackers are all over 31 now and they have absolutely no great options off the bench we have endless options in attack. Midfield wise they are very average and have lost one of their most important ones. In defence is about equal on paper. The
I said they have no cover for those 3 players of which only 2 are even top class. Thats my point. We have atleast 6 attackers who are great options.Since when are players around 30 year old finished? These days it is the prime of careers, judged by various examples in several sports.
they are in front for the simple matter that they have already proven their worth by winning the premier league and champions league something utd hasn’t even gotten a sniff at with this squad.
Just over a year ago their 3 attackers were perhaps the greatest attack in the world, they haven’t forgotten how to play in 12 months time.
the midfield admittedly puzzles me as well, I never understood how they bossed matches but the fact is that they did. Indo think like you they will miss Wijnaldum. His play at the Euros was very good, he will be missed.
Anyway I hope you are right though for all I care they finish last
I don’t know the liverpool squad currently, do they not have Shaqiri anymore? In my opinion he is better than Greenwood and Martial. Salah Firmino Mane Jota are tremendous attacking options imo, together with Shaqiri that makes 5, not too bad.I said they have no cover for those 3 players of which only 2 are even top class. Thats my point. We have atleast 6 attackers who are great options.
Not having a pop specifically at you, but I genuinely people who rate Shaqiri this highly only ever watch him at international tournaments every couple of years.don’t know the liverpool squad currently, do they not have Shaqiri anymore? In my opinion he is better than Greenwood and Martial
I get it was a controversial opinion and I fully agree I base my opinion on him playing for Switzerland, he is really good for them, in the meantime both Greenwood and Martial were absent at the Euros, it is not an insane claim to call Shaqiri better imo. I also liked his play a lot at his former club, forget who it was, Stoke? Not sure but he is quite the footballer, he was like Martial and Greenwood earlier in his career highly touted as one of the next big things. So far both Martial and Shaqiri have not met these expectations but if I have to compare the two I’d pick Shaqiri.Not having a pop specifically at you, but I genuinely people who rate Shaqiri this highly only ever watch him at international tournaments every couple of years.
Because nothing he's done at club level since about 2011 suggests he's close to as good as Greenwood and Martial.
Wow. So basically the same as last season. Is this satire?75+ points and a good cup run in one of the three cup comps we are in.
A good cup run is a semi at least.
thats it
anything less then its over for me
Fair enough. Safe to say I don't agree with most of your points.It might be harsh but many top clubs they this ruthless approach. In my opinion there hasn't been any progress in terms of attractiveness of football, I still don't enjoy watching utd play but I do because I'm a fan. You could argue there is progress in terms of league positions but what does that mean really? Under Ole we had 66 points twice and last year 74. The 4 seasons before that we had 81, 69, 66 and 70. It continues to be in the same region bar that one season under Jose which was dramatically better than the rest. The 66 points at one point got us to 6th place and at another point to 3rd place. The league positions don't mean a thing when we're talking about progress. In the meantime in the cup competitions we continue to fail the truly big matches. So in my opinion we 1) play terrible football and 2) we simply don't win any trophies. I hope nobody forgot the terrible slump towards the end of the season... Because this is basically what Utd stands for the last couple of years: inconsistency.
This is just a contract out of sentiment, sentiment shouldn't run a club.
How is shaqiri better than martial or greenwood? Also no he is goneI don’t know the liverpool squad currently, do they not have Shaqiri anymore? In my opinion he is better than Greenwood and Martial. Salah Firmino Mane Jota are tremendous attacking options imo, together with Shaqiri that makes 5, not too bad.
its not satireWow. So basically the same as last season. Is this satire?
I think where I draw the line is on the other side of being constantly focused on exactly what it takes for us to not fire the manager, as if firing the manager was our natural state of being, and one that could only be temporarily suspended on specific and clearly outlined terms.Alright, let's draw the line here. What is the absolute minimum Ole would have to do across all competitions for you to say Ole has earned at least another year with us? Not your dream result, not even what you think is realistic. Maybe not even what you'd class as success (people measure this differently too, I find).
The absolute minimum if you were in charge of hiring and firing for you to keep Ole for another season. Go.
Not really true. If anything Ole is the manager who’s had the most leniency from both the board and fans.Why is Ole the only manager we've ever had, or that i have ever heard of, that has always had this "have to win this or that to be allowed to stay" hanging over him?
It is just because he isn't a well known or hipster manager. Only that. I have said before, and i stand by it, had we hired Poch, and he had done 100% the same things as Ole, and had exactly the same results in every game, people would have been happy. Even if Poch won feck all. It's just because of Ole's name and CV - even if Poch's CV isn't all that either.
He is doing well, building a nice squad, the academy is looking nice. I am happy at the moment.
I'm happy if we're putting up a fight in the competitions we're in, the squad keeps improving, and some youngers are given a chance and does well.
Winning something is a good bonus.
oooooook. well Rio Ferdinand and Scholes alluded to this after the Europa defeat that the standard may not be there throughout the club from top to bottom. They questioned whether there is even any pressure to win at United anymore and whether we are in recruit mode? Is there an actual demand to be successful or just show some progress? it seems from some fans there is neither.its not satire
the minimum is at least what we did this year
what I really want is for us to do better this year, but the minimum is at least as good
We need "minimum requirements"? Who exactly needs "minimum requirements"? And for what? It's a plainly ridiculous concept. The only thing it does is give people an excuse to stop thinking.Not really true. If anything Ole is the manager who’s had the most leniency from both the board and fans.
Moyes sacked after falling to qualify for the CL.
LVG sacked after failing to qualify for the CL despite winning a cup and playing a load youngsters and still finishing equal on points with City.
Mourinho sacked after finishing 2nd but having a bad start, granted decision was mostly down to him falling it out with the squad.
I don’t care who the manager is. We need minimum requirements. With the players he inherited, the players he’s bought, it’s coming up to now or never. The whole rebuilding is pretty much over. There are managers who would win the league or CL with this squad, whether Ole is one of those manager’s we will find out.
Embarrasing? They finished 3rd, a few points behind you, despite playing a huge portion of the season with 0 senior central defenders as well as losing Thiago, Henderson and Jota to significant playing time. Plus having to break up their midfield so they could use their best midfielder in defence, while they scrambled to get 2 players up to speed who hadn’t played a single minute of Premier League football between them before. One of whom was at Kidderminster Harriers the season before I believe and the other in the 2nd division in Germany.I know this forum loves Klopp and already seems to have forgotten his embarrassing title defence, but Liverpool are quite clearly on par with us. Chelsea are only marginally worse. Their midfield is more balanced than ours, which makes the job for their slightly worse attack and defence easier.
Not to mention the transfer window is not over. All our closest rivals could make a couple of great signings in the upcoming weeks.
Sorry, but that's surely overdoing it quite a bit. Sure they had some serious injury trouble, and maximum bad luck in so much of it falling on the same position, but that's a 30-point drop we're talking about. With long spells of results much worse than could be reasonably expected given the available personell. They were more than lucky to sneak into the top 4, which their late season form would not have enabled had it not been for Leicester and Spurs folding and Chelsea and West Ham suffering a few unexpected hiccups late in the season. I very much doubt Klopp thinks that was more or less as could be expected, given the injuries.Embarrasing? They finished 3rd, a few points behind you, despite playing a huge portion of the season with 0 senior central defenders as well as losing Thiago, Henderson and Jota to significant playing time. Plus having to break up their midfield so they could use their best midfielder in defence, while they scrambled to get 2 players up to speed who hadn’t played a single minute of Premier League football between them before. One of whom was at Kidderminster Harriers the season before I believe and the other in the 2nd division in Germany.
If that is embarrassing, I think I’d be more embarrassed at only just finishing ahead of them! Liverpool’s season hung on couple awful months early in the year. Before and after they where more than fine. That would concern me looking at them from the outside.
As for Ole, minimum requirement is surely a title challenge and a cup title win. No, he doesn’t need to win the league, but he has to get this club challenging.
He has a fantastic squad of players and of cousre has had substantial investment into that squad, and not losing any players he didn’t want to lose along the way. This team is at the point where a sustained challenge is necessary. No excuses.
of course i want us to be successful and would love it if we won a trophy this year.oooooook. well Rio Ferdinand and Scholes alluded to this after the Europa defeat that the standard may not be there throughout the club from top to bottom. They questioned whether there is even any pressure to win at United anymore and whether we are in recruit mode? Is there an actual demand to be successful or just show some progress? it seems from some fans there is neither.
That isn't how progress works.of course i want us to be successful and would love it if we won a trophy this year.
However to prove to me the minimal he needs to do is as good as last year
the season after would then need improvement
and the season after that and so on
Why are you giving him a blank cheque? If you want to see improvement season on season why is it that this season he only needs to "do as good as last year?" That's not improvement. We've just signed 2 WC talent. Surely just by that alone it should raise expectations through the roof? I don't expect Ole to win the league but a serious title challenge has to be the minimal. QF of the CL has to be the minimal and at least 1 domestic trophy has to be the minimal. Not doing as good as last year.of course i want us to be successful and would love it if we won a trophy this year.
However to prove to me the minimal he needs to do is as good as last year
the season after would then need improvement
and the season after that and so on
Please hire me for any jobs or businesses that you may haveWe need "minimum requirements"? Who exactly needs "minimum requirements"? And for what? It's a plainly ridiculous concept. The only thing it does is give people an excuse to stop thinking.
None of OGS' predecessors were sacked for failing to meet "minimum requirements". They were sacked because they had all reached a point where it had become plain that things weren't going in the direction they should. With Moyes and Mourinho at least, things were pretty acute - it was just plain that they had lost the confidence of the squad to the point where there was really not much point in carrying on. LvG was probably more debatable, but there were serious and long-standing concerns over his transfer acquisitions, style of play, man management, results, style of communication and reverence for the club. There were good reasons for all of them to go. There are not currently any such good reasons for OGS to go. And whether there will be isn't decided by whether they reach the CL quarter finals or whatever.
So I don't know what you're imagining you're making better by having people draw lines in their own imagination in order to feel entitled to be disappointed if those lines aren't reached. It's pretty much an exercise in pointless self-aggravation.
Sure. As soon as I have need of someone whose only job is to watch things, but who likes to tell people off in their mind for breaking imaginary requirements, I'll be right on to you.Please hire me for any jobs or businesses that you may have
You keep going on about “imaginary requirements” is avoiding relegation imaginary? Is qualifying for the CL league imaginary? Is winning the league imaginary? Are Man Utd an imaginary club playing in an imaginary league and competitions?lSure. As soon as I have need of someone whose only job is to watch things, but who likes to tell people off in their mind for breaking imaginary requirements, I'll be right on to you.