It's a chicane, there's no space for 2 cars.
Verstappen tried to force his way into a gap that didn't exist. Wreckless again.
he wouldn't do a move like that on Mazepin, he's trying to bully his way passed Lewis.
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Verstappen tried to force his way into a gap that didn't exist. Wreckless again.
he wouldn't do a move like that on Mazepin, he's trying to bully his way passed Lewis.
That's a pretty standard Daily Mirror sub heading isn't it?
I’ve said from the beginning it’s a racing incident, but it’s not about just “sticking it up the inside” and the other guy has to give you room. Max’s front wheel was over half way up the side of Lewis, he was alongside him going into T2 and if I’m not mistaken if the other guys wheels are in front of your rear wheels you should give enough room to make the corner within the track boundaries.
Having seen the lap one incident I get why Lewis didn’t yield, and I don’t really give a feck cos I don’t like either of them, but I don’t think it’s the blatant fault of Max that most are making out.
Di Resta with some nice common sense.
Eh?! They’re doing the exact same speed!!
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Watch this and tell me again they’re not going as fast.
What's his name saying Max may of done it on purpose.
yes. You're never going around the outside of somebody whos already INTO the chicane. If you're going into it side by side then the driver on the inside will need to take a wider line.
Lewis didn't need to do that as he's already way ahead. Just slinging yourself down the outside and trying to force yourself into a gap that doesn't exist isn't a proper move.
What’s different to here? I think this is equally 60-40 on Max.
Disagreeing with di Resta here - no way Max is ever getting through this corner. Lewis is ahead and taking the line he wants. Max gets alongside by driving in far too quickly - if Lewis isn't there and Max drives through that corner on that line he's barely making the exit of the chicane.
Horner is right about the pit, Max should not have been there, Lewis had a slow pit also
Horner then blames Lewis , would not expect anything else!!
Horner then blames Lewis , would not expect anything else!!
Horner doesn’t sound convincing, I think he knows it’s mostly on Max.
100%. Just having extra speed from behind doesn't mean you can throw yourself into a chicane and hope it works. He clearly hoped he'd bump him out of the way and push passed, but he caught the kerb and lost control.
This was way more on purpose than anything Hamilton did at Silverstone.
Likewise I don’t think its blatant. But, my point is there is NO difference to this and the lap one incident in Silverstone. Once Lewis was given a penalty there, I strongly feel it is only fair to give Max a penalty here. What’s your take on the Silverstone point?
I actually agree with you - I think the lap one incident here, at Silverstone and this crash, were all racing incidents. But once a penalty was given to Lewis in Silverstone I feel it must be given to Max here because otherwise it’s inconsistent. If I had it my way none of them would be penalties.
Yep, you know when Horner is trying to be neutral he knows it's on them
There's a lot of great photos from today, but this one gets me everytime.
To be honest, each time I watch it I changing my mind from Racing Incident to Max 60/40
De Resta made some good points.
Lets see what the stewards decide
They go trough one at a time apart of Norris who bumps tyres.
Horner thinks racing incident and nobody to blame. Confirms Max should have bailed to me.
Look at the screenshot I posted earlier in the thread and watch the video in the tweet from Sky Sports of Norris and LeClerc.
I can’t be arsed arguing this anymore, I don’t even like Max
I agree the longer they pressed him about it, the more he sounded less convinced to what he is saying
the difference here is Leclerc is already ahead on the outside. He's claimed the corner so Norris needs to give more room.
It's the other way around for Hamilton and you can't go around the outside when the next turn is left, Lewis is always going to move across back into him.
the difference here is Leclerc is already ahead on the outside. He's claimed the corner so Norris needs to give more room.Look at the screenshot I posted earlier in the thread and watch the video in the tweet from Sky Sports of Norris and LeClerc.
I can’t be arsed arguing this anymore, I don’t even like Max
It's the other way around for Hamilton and you can't go around the outside when the next turn is left, Lewis is always going to move across back into him.
If the stewards see it the same as Silverstone.
What sort of pen to they give, grid drop or a time pen during the race ?
What sort of pen to they give, grid drop or a time pen during the race ?
Damon Hill spot on. Max knew that he had to take Lewis out.
Lewis has backed out of similar situations even in this race, also Imola.
Max was hot headed after his poor pit stop and it impacted his judgement.
You know of Horner is only making a case for a racing incident but not blaming Lewis, Max is predominantly to blame.
Lewis has backed out of similar situations even in this race, also Imola.
Max was hot headed after his poor pit stop and it impacted his judgement.
You know of Horner is only making a case for a racing incident but not blaming Lewis, Max is predominantly to blame.
Max should've yielded. Problem is that he never does and never has. Incidents like this are littered across his short career.
If it was any other rider Max would've ceded his positioning imo, but he's not giving up anything to Hamilton. I think it's his fault but not that egregious either.
Feck Verstappen though. He's such a baby a lot of times (tbf so is Lewis but I like him a bit more).
Feck Verstappen though. He's such a baby a lot of times (tbf so is Lewis but I like him a bit more).
If I’ve seen that silverstone incident I don’t remember it
I agree with Damien Hill. He either meant to take him out or had a serious brain fart.
If I’ve seen that silverstone incident I don’t remember it
feck sakes, go back to the NFL thread! Use the run off like Hamilton did in this very same race against the very same driver in turn 4 earlier on.This thread
For what? I'd love to know what people expected Max to do? He didn't have the space which resulted in him hitting the curb. He didn't try to hit Hamilton or anything, was bounced into him.
Such immature driving. Max was behind all the way, not ahead at any point in that chicane. He had to yield.
The same people calling for Lewis's head at Silverstone, when at times in that Silverstone corner, Lewis was ahead, are now claiming this is only a racing incident. Ridiculous.
After all the noise about Riccardo not settling in quickly....
He's definitely struggled this year and he admits that. Today he was good though.
He will struggle again though on other tighter tracks with more braking zones, but lets hope this is the start of a change for him.
I thought every Belgium and Holland rally behind Max.
I don't think the Norris / Le Clerc incident is the same. Don't think you can apply normal corner rules to a chicane either. Don't care too much because I'm not a big fan of either driver but I do reckon Verstappen is more to blame here.
I see the UK cry babies are still here!
This is a very level-headed way to react to a driver changing their mind about something after it saves lives.
Surely it's a good thing he changed his mind after seeing it work? Or should he continue to think its bad?
Ok mateI see the UK cry babies are still here!
Such drama, great stuff.
Totally agree.