Alex Ferguson filmed saying Ronaldo should have started

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Khabib is a massive Ronaldo fan probably just entertaining him..
 

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Eh. We played better with Cavani on the pitch anyway, and looked markedly better when he came on in the Villarreal game too.
Yeah, Ronaldo was poor against Villarreal until he scored the winner and we were winning against Everton with Cavani starting until the Ronaldo and Sancho subs were made and conceded shortly after. Rotating for a game like Everton after a tiring game against Villarreal shouldn't be an issue. We needed to be better defensively - we still haven't had a cleansheet in all competitions since the season started and if not for De Gea we could have conceded even more.
 

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Come on he needed a rest and was brought on early anyway. Cavani also deserved a start.

In hindsight we can all imagine Ronaldo scoring early but there is no guarantee he would have. I would have started him personally but I understood at the time the rotation.

Typical storm in a teacup issue.
 

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Seems a bit shit stirring to turn this into a story on Sir Alex. Ole will probably be asked about it and Fergie was just making polite conversation.

Despite the goal a the end Ronaldo looked dead on his feet at the end of the Villarreal game, it's not that unbelievable he needed a rest.
 

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Absurd to see so many people agreeing here, but anything to kick Ole while he's down I suppose.

Ronny is 36 and can't play every game, if he does the whole team will suffer.

Aside from the goal, he was shite against Villareal and Cavani looked way sharper and deserved the start, and I'm not a huge fan of the idea of them starting together.

In the end it didn't work out, but the logic of the decision was sound.

Expect the same people moaning about Ronny not starting every game are the ones complaining about DVB not getting any rotation into the first 11.
 

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We started him against villa and we still lost. He’s not allowed to make his own decisions? He hardly plays just to lose the matches. Ffs
 

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Fecking Sir Alex spreading his anti-Ole agenda! Any excuse to bash Ole! What an armchair Einstein!
 

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The diva who’s a serial winner with more champions league medals than our club? If he’s demanding better from some of the bluffers in our squad I’m all for it.
He should hold himself to those same standards then. If you come onto the pitch and spend most of your time strolling around that bollocking holds less weight.
 

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I don't understand the issue. Ronaldo came on when we were 1-0 up, not 1-0 down. Why the disrespect for Cavani? The argument that we would have been further clear if Ronaldo had started is a fanciful notion based on our recent performances and purely hypothetical. He was allowed to score in those 30 minutes he had on the pitch.
 

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Sir Alex brought us Moyes. I know people hate Ole but use common sense for once. What a useless thread.
 

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Ole should start Ronaldo on last game, simply because there’s international break coming, make no sense to rest him for Portugal.
 

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It really wouldn't as there would only ever be one winner
And if that winner is the 78 year old retired guy then you’ve got a problem. Because he’s the past, you’re supposed to be looking towards the future. Shades of Busby again, successors struggling under a massive shadow. Not good.
 

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Maybe SAF should go and support City then..

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Absurd to see so many people agreeing here, but anything to kick Ole while he's down I suppose.

Ronny is 36 and can't play every game, if he does the whole team will suffer.

Aside from the goal, he was shite against Villareal and Cavani looked way sharper and deserved the start, and I'm not a huge fan of the idea of them starting together.

In the end it didn't work out, but the logic of the decision was sound.

Expect the same people moaning about Ronny not starting every game are the ones complaining about DVB not getting any rotation into the first 11.
I think most people would agree that Ronaldo cannot play every game, but in this particular case there was an international break coming up, affording ample opportunity for recovery. Whether or not, regardless of fitness, he should generally be starting ahead of Cavani, is a slightly different point about which reasonable people can disagree.

I'm not sure how you connect the Ronaldo and VdB issues though - they do not compete for a starting spot with one another.
 

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Eh. We played better with Cavani on the pitch anyway, and looked markedly better when he came on in the Villarreal game too.

This isn't the Ronaldo show, I'm already getting a bit tired of it. He can't expect to walk around the pitch for 80 minutes every game and throw his arms up like a diva anytime something bad happens. It's a team sport.
He scored 5 crucial goals in 5 games.
 

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If anything, he shouldnt have subbed off Cavani for Ronaldo.
 

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It's a casual conversation that we shouldn't read into it. And honestly Ronaldo not starting wasn't the main problem at all, in his age he can't start every game.
 

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Sir Captain Hindsight. You could see the logic in not starting him given recent weeks and how Cavani has been pushing to start.
Not right before international break, no. There was no logic.

Starting Ronaldo and Cavani together was the logic.
 

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He scored 5 crucial goals in 5 games.
Not all of them were crucial, but yes he's 5 in 5. He also stunk up the place vs Villa (and Villarreal before he got his goal).

He's 36 and his minutes will need managing, Ronaldo or not. It would've been his third game in a week and we desperately lack energy in the side when he plays. It wasn't an issue, and he still had the opportunity to make an impact off the bench, which he didn't.
 

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I don't think there is any agenda behind it, simply an off the cuff comment any number of people probably made on seeing the lineup. Probably just careless. If Alex Ferguson had reservations about the manager I struggle to believe that talking to a UFC fighter would be his chosen mechanism for bringing about change - does that make any sense at all?

Yes it's Alex Ferguson but he doesn't necessarily have access to the data the management do with Ronaldo. He is going to have to be managed, unfortunately. There are going to be games he can't play and of those games we are probably going to be a weaker side and yes we're going to cock up results. We can't always harp back to Ronaldo every time, we need to get results without him.
Exactly my thoughts.

Besides I also think that
Eh. We played better with Cavani on the pitch anyway, and looked markedly better when he came on in the Villarreal game too.

This isn't the Ronaldo show, I'm already getting a bit tired of it. He can't expect to walk around the pitch for 80 minutes every game and throw his arms up like a diva anytime something bad happens. It's a team sport.
As excited I am about Ronaldo and the goals he brings, I feel that bringing him back wasn't the right choice.
Cavani sets the tone when pressing from the front, something we don't see with Ronaldo. Maybe the front line players (Cristiano included) need some time to find understanding between themselves and we are rushing to conclusions. But so far I like the look of our team better with Cavani.
 

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I dont think anyone had a problem with Cavani starting and Ronaldo being benched at the time. Cavani is also a top class center forward. Hindsight is alway a wonderful thing. If the team had played better and won the game, then this conversation wouldnt be happening. The bigger concern for me is not whether Ronaldo plays, its the persistence with a midfield pairing which are below standard, and a lack of quality in our play, which is a coaching issue.
 

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Eh. We played better with Cavani on the pitch anyway, and looked markedly better when he came on in the Villarreal game too.

This isn't the Ronaldo show, I'm already getting a bit tired of it. He can't expect to walk around the pitch for 80 minutes every game and throw his arms up like a diva anytime something bad happens. It's a team sport.
Tend to agree with you on the 'Ronaldo show' comment. I've seen a few suggest we cannot waste the last couple of years of his career as if his personal achievements are more important than the club. He's here to help us, not the other way around.

Cavani was the better choice for the game. If anything, he was pulled too early. I imagine it was predetermined for him to come off around the hour mark but sometimes you need to abandon such ideas when the game is so tight.
 

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I haven’t seen the video, but the bbc article I read just had the quote "you should always start with your best players". Maybe SAF was referring to Pogba. Or Lingard. :wenger:
 

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I think he was just making polite conversation. SAF was the master at gambling and leaving players out. He actually rested Ronaldo against Chelsea in the league in 2008 in what was a very important game.
 

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I think he was just making polite conversation. SAF was the master at gambling and leaving players out. He actually rested Ronaldo against Chelsea in the league in 2008 in what was a very important game.
He didnt have McFred in midfield then though
 

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Eh. We played better with Cavani on the pitch anyway, and looked markedly better when he came on in the Villarreal game too.

This isn't the Ronaldo show, I'm already getting a bit tired of it. He can't expect to walk around the pitch for 80 minutes every game and throw his arms up like a diva anytime something bad happens. It's a team sport.
Bang on. But beware his fans will jump on you.