Well it's better than a GP ending under SC. Imagine they would've ended last race under SC? Are we fans of racing or what?
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If Masi has any self respect he should resign. Shame it ended this way for max and lewis.
Man, this will not have been the first race or the last race to end under the safety car. It has happened many times before and will happen again in the future. Why should this race be special? The situation? The fact that it was show time at Abu Dhabi?
This is the moral problem I think, we are all wrestling with. That limit of making races exciting but without compromising the integrity of everything.
My entire point is a race should not end under SC. Not last race, not before that, not ever. The team leaders also agreed FIA should try everything to prevent that from happening.
If you have a bad accident in the last lap, or even last 2 laps, of any race, it will end under a safety car. I guarantee it.
It would have been a race if the SC stayed out. The person who done the racedistance fastest would have one. One artificial lap at the end is not a race. It's a fix.
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We're fans of the sport, which sometimes involves a SC. Saying "you cannot end a race under SC" is akin to saying "you cannot end a game 0-0". Following the rules and maintaining integrity is significantly more important than manufacturing a final lap shootout. And by the way, the final lap wasn't actually racing. You might have found it exciting, but it wasn't racing. Its like watching a heavyweight beat up a flyweight thinking "this is great boxing".
By the way, just for clarity, if this race had ended under the SC they would actually have done something different. The SC would probably have come in at the start of the last lap but there would be a VSC in place. This means that the shots of the cars coming over the line would be just be the F1 cars. Yes it wouldn't be racing, but I think one of the reasons people were so concerned would be the literal optics of a SC leading Lewis over the line.
I as a biased fan am happy, but I also have the brain capacity to understand that a situation like that shouldn't happen again.
So people are now no longer fans of racing because they don't want to see rules broken/changed to suit TV audiences.
I also love how that last lap is being painted as a true race. The mental gymnastics on display is outstanding entertainment. Masi himself couldn't script it better!
Maybe that’s one of the reasons Mercedes dropped their claim - he’s agreed to hand in his resignation
Only LH fans would be happy with that. I wonder what you would've said if the roles were reversed.
It would have been a race if the SC stayed out. The person who done the racedistance fastest would have one. One artificial lap at the end is not a race. It's a fix.
It really isn't time to move on though, the worst possible outcome is to let this blow over so Masi can make up rules to tell his own story again.I can only laugh at people so gullible, or biased I guess, to believe this had anything to do with Lewis wanting it dropped or lack of a case
It's a pretty frame is all.
Anyway, now what some of us have been saying since the moment the race ended has finally been confirmed, time to move on.
F1 has suffered badly for this, as the situation has disillusioned a lot of people. Max fans and Hamilton haters may be enjoying the result, but even they know this sets a terrible precedent, and next time Max might be the one who gets robbed. It's gotta be nipped in the bud now.
This aversion to ending a race/season under the safety car is bizarre. The 2012 Brazilian GP was the title decider and ended behind the safety car thanks to Di Resta being shit and that's remembered as a classic. If there is time to get back to green flag racing, great, if not then just end under the safety car, don't muck about with red flags or rule changes mid-race.
I might be wrong, but I think most F1 fans would disagree and here's why. We want, in general, the best performing driver/car package in a race to win. SC's have the tendency to mess that up by allowing chasing cars free pit stops and to react based on what the leader does. This is racing, it happens all the time and we accept that. The difference is if this happens half way through a race there's time to react to it. If this happens with a few laps to go it can literally decide the race. So to say "a race should never end under a SC" has the superficial feeling of being fair, but its actually not because it would increase the situations where someone that has no chance of winning suddenly becomes favourites. i.e. it increases the chances of the 'deserved winner' losing.
The way Hamilton has conducted himself throughout this whole thing has been sheer class. Fair play to him.
This crash and amount of laps remaining did not warrant a finish under SC. 8(?) laps of SC in the title decider would be a joke.
I meant for our own sanity.
You nor I can change anything, from the moment the race ended the FIA were making sure Mercedes take this no further.
Should it be dropped? No. Is it actually for the benefit of F1 it is? Of course not.
But dropped it has been. Sad, but very true.
See, the problem you are bringing the situation into this again and not looking at it objectively. It doesn't matter if it's the last race or the first race.
The moment you choose when and where to apply certain rules, then we are here today in this situation.
The crash was at the end of lap 53 of 58, 5 laps behind the safety car is fairly normal.
Absolutely zero chance you say that if the situation happened the other way around.
That's why people know you're full of shit. You either stick to the rules and do it properly (end under safety car) or red flag the race and give them both a fair fighting chance.
Instead, what they did just gifted an easy win to max. Clearly Max fans don't care how it happened - but the other 90% of F1 fans do.
I could only imagine the meltdown if the FIA assisted Lewis into winning his 8th title this way instead
I'm speaking in general. They need to have a look at the rules so this doesn't happen again in a race or title deciding race. I'm just spitballing and don't know the solution, but there must be a better solution for situations like last race.
Like I said mistakes were made and this time Max was lucky. FIA should find a solution for these kinds of situations.Absolutely zero chance you say that if the situation happened the other way around.
That's why people know you're full of shit. You either stick to the rules and do it properly (end under safety car) or red flag the race and give them both a fair fighting chance.
Instead, what they did just gifted an easy win to max. Clearly Max fans don't care how it happened - but the other 90% of F1 fans do.
I could only imagine the meltdown if the FIA assisted Lewis into winning his 8th title this way instead
Dude, there is just no way you can force an accident not to happen in the last few laps of a race so that races never finish under the safety car. We could red flag and restart for every accident and remove the idea of a SC altogether, but that's another debate.
Following the existing rules would have been fine. They've been fine for years and 100s of races. You have this unwarranted obsession about SC finishes and I suspect its only a new obsession and 5 days ago you wouldn't have cared. Its pretty transparent.
Yep, I'm amazed at how well he handled it. Pretty certain if I got robbed like that, I'd have been busy going for a walk down the pit lane to find Masi like Schumacher looking for Coulthard at Spa.
Can't wait for all the posts next year about hoe "whiny" he is though.
That's exactly the debate I'm trying to have. Another solution, but I don't know. I understand now that in certain situations it would make sense to end a race under SC. I just think with the amount of laps left last race, there had to be a better option than a parade for 8 laps. But its not only about last race I'm also talking about the future.
Bingo.
I bet you thought that Spa was fine though.
Yes, you could have red flag and restart. And it would have been not perfect, but a much better option that what I saw on Sunday.
But, think purely on TV and adrenaline, even with all the back markers unlapped, I would have put money on Max taking them all within a quarter of a lap with his super shiny new softs and pressuring Lewis into the final few corners. It could have even gone down to the last corner and I would have put money on Max to do the job. I would have clapped Max off the freaking podium. Even as a race fixer, Masi is shit.
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Hahaha wtf? Sad that you think this. Spa was the biggest farce I've seen in f1.
And you'd be the same if it were the other way around tbh. Like Lewis fans would careAbsolutely zero chance you say that if the situation happened the other way around.
That's why people know you're full of shit. You either stick to the rules and do it properly (end under safety car) or red flag the race and give them both a fair fighting chance.
Instead, what they did just gifted an easy win to max. Clearly Max fans don't care how it happened - but the other 90% of F1 fans do.
I could only imagine the meltdown if the FIA assisted Lewis into winning his 8th title this way instead
you'd be like haha, Max got what he deserved.And the FIA did already try to assist Lewis many times including the beginning of the race to make it more exciting. As expected, incidents like Silverstone are never mentioned by Lewis fans.
I like this re-writing of history whereby somehow finishing under the SC would've been unfair on Max.
Had Latifi not crashed, Hamilton would've won by 10+ seconds. He was about 10s clear anyway with Max barely closing the gap and Max had 5 cars to lap. It's absolutely insane.
I'm still baffled by Max's fans needing some kind of acceptance that he was the best. Statistically, maybe he was, but Sunday was the title decider, so frankly, any other race became irrelevant. And Sunday's finish was a farce that shouldn't have decided the WC.
Had Latifi not crashed, Hamilton would've won by 10+ seconds. He was about 10s clear anyway with Max barely closing the gap and Max had 5 cars to lap. It's absolutely insane.
I'm still baffled by Max's fans needing some kind of acceptance that he was the best. Statistically, maybe he was, but Sunday was the title decider, so frankly, any other race became irrelevant. And Sunday's finish was a farce that shouldn't have decided the WC.
Lewis received a penalty for that?And you'd be the same if it were the other way around tbh. Like Lewis fans would care
And the FIA did already try to assist Lewis many times including the beginning of the race to make it more exciting. As expected, incidents like Silverstone are never mentioned by Lewis fans.
What more do you want?
Those were either racing incidents or were met with penalties - you can argue about the penalties sure but that's within their decision-making process and not something illegal. Referring to Silverstone, Baku, Hungary or whatever is just trying to justify what happened in Abu Dhabi while there is no way to justify how it went down.And you'd be the same if it were the other way around tbh. Like Lewis fans would care
And the FIA did already try to assist Lewis many times including the beginning of the race to make it more exciting. As expected, incidents like Silverstone are never mentioned by Lewis fans.
ExactlyAnd you'd be the same if it were the other way around tbh. Like Lewis fans would care
And the FIA did already try to assist Lewis many times including the beginning of the race to make it more exciting. As expected, incidents like Silverstone are never mentioned by Lewis fans.
As for those calling for Masi's head: I'm inclined to agree but are we sure that his successor would be bette than him? I thought Masi was being guided by Whiting, so not sure there's currently anyone in a better position to be race director. Unless we're going with a core team which assumes that role in the future.
Not true, Silverstone was covered in this thread. He was deemed predominately at fault, but as this following video shows, Max would've done the same to Hamilton 5 times had he not been conservative.And you'd be the same if it were the other way around tbh. Like Lewis fans would care
And the FIA did already try to assist Lewis many times including the beginning of the race to make it more exciting. As expected, incidents like Silverstone are never mentioned by Lewis fans.
As a Hamilton fan, I'd obviously be happy for him if he did win the way Max won, but would still admit Max was cheated because that's just fact. Everyone knows Max was gifted the win, as everyone would know the same if the scenario was vice versa.