Wonder if Labour will be sending out the letters to kick them out of the party.
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Yes, but is it sensible from Labour/Starmers point of view; how much real useful information has he gained on his impact (as Labour Leader) on turning possible renegade Tories towards Labour in the future battles ahead?
By the looks of it, this is not the real 'bloody nose' for Boris then, is it? I would have much rather each party look to take its own 'real' share of the vote to see how much internal (if somewhat collateral) damage had been done to the Tories, by their own leader!
To my way of thinking tactical voting is only useful (if it works) in GE's or where a governments majority is in the balance as a result of a bye-election. One seat, more or less, to the Tories at the moment is hardly worrying them. Starmer needs to know if Labour can win over/or have any impact at all on disaffected Tories, not just to confirm (what is already known) that disgruntled Tories in safe seats like this will run to the Lib Dems in order to give their own leader his 'due kicking'. If Starmer can turn even a few percentage points of 'old Tories' away from Boris, in a seat like this, then he can certainly entertain hopes of winning back the 'red wall' voters, who even Boris admits have only loaned him their vote.
This 'Christmas party -the one that never was' debacle is a spectacular own goal by the Tories but aiming responsibility solely at Boris's leadership could be a mistake, the Tories will find someone else to take the fall and Boris will now have had a sharp reminder that an inescapable truth has been delivered to him, namely that he needs to shore up his immediate inner circle to help to prevent him allowing the same thing happening again.
Boris will know now after this, that if he doesn't fix the hole in his personal circle in No 10, then his days at that address as leader are limited and his rivals in the Tory Party will be gathering to plot his replacement.
Boris is a **** leader, and cults don't do or encourage introspection, otherwise the illusion would be shattered.
hes also a cnut
The North Shropshire result has absolutely terrified Tory MPs. When one of the safest seats in the country flips (and by a comfortable margin at that) every Tory MP starts feeling like their own seat is no longer safe. The Tories have countless seats with much, much smaller majorities than they held in North Shropshire, and all those MPs are now looking at their own political futures with trepidation. It was an earthquake moment for the Tory party.
And do you think that he will fix that.
Even if he does do what is necessary, how long do you think that will last.
I just cannot believe that any change or so called improvement in the way he operates will be anything other than a short term act.
Boris is Boris, love him or hate him.
He will be better protected (against himself, mainly) the response to this debacle tells him that if he doesn't get somebody to protect his back, he's 'toast'... but there again maybe that's what he wants, to spend more time with his (new) family!!
A bit like Ole found, if you keep rising up the ladder, eventually you prove the 'Peter Principle' about being promoted to the level of (your personal) incompetence.
When that happens he either needs someone (he trusts) to tell him to go, or a 'Brutus' standing behind him!
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Lovely. What is it about Brexit that keeps costing Leavers their jobs, I wonder?
Piers Corbyn is an embarrassment to his brother
Erm, Boris was an incompetent and corrupt Mayor of London, an incompetent and corrupt Foreign Secretary, and now he's an incompetent and corrupt Prime Minister. He's more proving that Hitler's principles of propaganda can still get you to the top (https://www.physics.smu.edu/pseudo/Propaganda/goebbels.html), and Lincoln's principle that you can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.
Seems he feels Johnson isn't right wing enough. Wants a lightly regulated and low tax economy. So less protection in law against a whole host of injustices, and worse public services to boot. If you're poor for whatever reason then just fecking tough. If him and his like do manage to stand for power then hopefully the voting public will see through the cnuts.
I'm a leaver and I got a promotion, winner!
This smacks of Frost positioning himself for a leadership challenge to me. He's bailing out of the Brexit negotiations just as we start to back down on some demands; I doubt he wants to be associated with a climb down. Positioning himself clearly as anti lockdown/anti regulation candidate early on, and probably hoping the more traditional conservative vote splits between candidates like Truss and Sunak.
Probably a few months yet, though.
Probably a few months yet, though.
I thought that too, but he's not an MP, maybe he sees himself as a kingmaker for now, with longer term aims?
Lords can be PM, can't they? I doubt that's what he's got in mind though.
The last one was Alec Douglas-Home. In this day and age it would be practically unthinkable.
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Fake.
Seems far too eloquent to be the actual Nadine Dorries.
Although she has seemed to have spelled her own surname wrong..
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The absolute state of these cnuts
More bizarre diversionary scare-mongering by the right wing press. Given Starmer's too much of a non-entity to stoke fears about Labour, Hitchens is wildly speculating about a return for Blair.
PETER HITCHENS: A return for Tony Blair? That really is my nightmare before Christmas
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...rn-Tony-Blair-really-nightmare-Christmas.html
PETER HITCHENS: A return for Tony Blair? That really is my nightmare before Christmas
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...rn-Tony-Blair-really-nightmare-Christmas.html
I wonder if Steve Baker would make a run at becoming Tory leader. Out of all the free market libertarian loons in the Tory party he’s comes across best.
Blair would wipe the floor with that lot
A killer smile but a total cnut
WhatsApp shows the name based on how the individual who screen ahotted this had stored Dorries contact details in their phone. It seems entirely plausible that someone else might misspell her name.
I have been unfortunate enough to have witnessed him address a room. He's a typical Tory cnut who thinks the less unfortunate don't work hard enough.
Oh I don't know though, didn't Lord Home* follow (as PM) Harold Mcmillian and the infamous 'night of the long knives.'
When caught with their backs to the wall, Tories often go back to their 'Lordships' for leaders.
(* at one time Home's family owned 99 farms and small holdings in Lanarkshire, or as one Labour MP noted at the time, "what they didn't own in Lanarkshire wasn't worth owning"!!)
He's had a good go at that!... and what does it say about the Londoners who gave him the Mayors job & the general electorate who voted him PM and Mrs M who give him the job of Foreign Secretary... I suggest its more likely the case of " we get the politicians we deserve".
I think there are circumstances it could happen but I certainly don't think these are they.
Blaming the electorate for something that's fooled "the people" throughout history time after time is missing the point in my opinion. The use of propaganda and shutting down of our democracy while the media sit cheerleading on the sidelines is the bit that should be shameful. And yet even when everyone seems to hate the government, the attempted destruction of the Human Rights Act still gets no coverage.
The media are more upset about not being invited to the Tory Christmas parties than they are about £37bn wasted on a test and trace system that doesn't work, billions wasted propping up failing privatised health, energy and transport systems, the human rights violations happening every day to asylum seekers, the criminalisation of protest, the sabotage of British industries and agriculture, and the corruption of the Human Rights Act. That's where we need your damning indictment.
The idea that either Frost or Baker could lead the tories shows just how far into incompetence they have sunk. Frost has always been a mediocre charlatan, and Baker always a fringe extremist and conspiracy junkie. Not much better than Piers Corbyn leading labour.
Fixed.
I almost went there. But honestly comparing Jeremy to Frost would be an injustice. One led a movement, however flawed; the other was recalled from a cushy ambassadorship because his staff [and the Danes] couldn't stand him.
So is she now the cancelled culture secretary?
Not really, if the electorate keeps 'getting fooled' (at least according to you) time after time, then the quote about those 'who do not learn from the mistakes in their history are condemned to repeating them', should be acknowledged as the 'free' workings of democracy, and not a case of shutting it down.
The wide range of media that now exists, does so to sell, goods, services, etc. and ideas.... everyone is free (at the moment) to accept or reject these ideas; although recently attempts at 'shutting down' those ideas we don't like seems to be gathering pace, especially through the workings of social media.
Real news or honest news, or if preferred, 'not fake News' becomes a casualty of the 24/7 news coverage (which it appears we all crave for) and with it therefore the rise of the 'almighty' news editors. Such professionals, (so I am told) are only primarily interested in those stories which ' have legs' and can be redone, rehashed, re-angled many times over; the Tory Christmas Party debacle was one such story, a God send for some, whereas the money wasted on test and trace was a one off!
Unfortunately one of the things all Governments do (of what every persuasion) is 'waste money' the tax payers money, my memory goes back as far as things like the 'Blue Streak' missile debacle and continued right through to the PFI contracts, handed out by the last Labour Government... I lost interest after that!.
This Government and its PM having been getting 'cocky lately'; especially with their 80+ majority, as all political parties do when they think nothing can touch them... its up to the electorate not to give them another go at the next GE, but who would we elect instead?
Ok but the electorate is an average of the collective "switched on"-ness of everybody in the country and the average really doesn't change much through the generations. Trying to blame people for being the product of their genetics and environment is pointless. What you can blame is the system that's supposed to educate them as opposed to trick them i.e. the media, and the system that's supposed to teach them critical thinking i.e. the education system, presided over by successive poor governments.
And as for who you'd elect instead, I tend to think the Lib Dem and Labour leaders are both pretty awful but you'd have to hope there's some decent people in their parties somewhere. The right answer to your question is pretty much "someone else". And then if they are shit the answer again becomes "someone else", ad infinitum.
Whenever you're afraid to change the people who are failing in case the next lot are worse, you're removing the incentive to not be cnuts from the incumbent as they will believe they can act with impunity. In that way you're pretty much guaranteeing poor performance and corruption. You see it with councils all over the country, whenever the councillors don't believe there's any threat to their seats they start supplementing their salaries in all sorts of creative ways (usually property development).
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So liz truss is heading the eu negotiations
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59721801
This should be an utter car crash
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59721801
This should be an utter car crash