ArmchairCritic
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How old are you?Overton is one of the worst players to play for England in my liftime.
Just shy of 30, one of the worst bowlers specifically.How old are you?
tbf, it's a classic RedCafe post, although it's usually in the context of United 'fans' talking about United players.How old are you?
What on earth are you actually talking about?tbf, it's a classic RedCafe post, although it's usually in the context of United 'fans' talking about United players.
Maybe @Tottenhamguy is just trying to fit in with the crowd.
Bowlers I won't argue with. Otherwise I was about to start listing batting allrounders of the mid nineties.Just shy of 30, one of the worst bowlers specifically.
Oh calm downWhat on earth are you actually talking about?
You don’t half chat some waffle sometimes.
Roots captaincy is a total mess but does it solve anything? Who takes over?Overton is shite though.
He's looked an average county cricket bowler.
I don't even know where England go from here, Root is a bad captain but the team is so fecking awful I think any captain in history would struggle.
Unless the pitch is an utter road they can't bat, they can't take 20 wickets and the catching and general fielding is shite. This is worse than the 90s, at least then we were getting beat by sides with all time legends of the game in their team.
Awful. Root has to step down as captain. His record is shockingly bad in the last 18 months.
No probably doesn't change anything, because the general quality of our Test side is so low, and feck knows who takes over.Roots captaincy is a total mess but does it solve anything? Who takes over?
Absolute shambles. Quite angry about it but I am on a bus in Central London so that might be related.
Yeah I can't argue with that.No probably doesn't change anything, because the general quality of our Test side is so low, and feck knows who takes over.
I just think we've reached the point now where he has to step down just on principle alone. Just for the sense of some accountability.
1 win in 17 matches and 5 series defeats in a row, I'm amazed he's not stepped down himself to be honest.
Don't think he has. Highest score of 31 when he's played on two extremely friendly pitches is bad.Lees has been decent, can you imagine him and Sibley as an opening pair? Crikey.
Yeah I was being kind. The standard of debuts have been so low but his technique atleast looks more assured then Burns and Sibley.Don't think he has. Highest score of 31 when he's played on two extremely friendly pitches is bad.
(deep intake of breath)I think it's reached the point Stokes is going to have to do it. Which is a bad idea and will end badly but there's a small possibility that by the time it does someone else will have managed to secure their place in the team sufficiently for a go.
Woakes shouldn’t be anywhere near the side away from home, never mind captain.(deep intake of breath)
What about Woakes as captain? He's experienced (albeit not with captaincy) can do a job with bat and ball (especially in England), and he seems level-headed, grounded, respected, and pragmatic.
I am not saying it will work, but it might take the pressure of some of the stars to give it to someone who no-one expects miracles from.
I think you can conceivably do this in a world where Anderson and Broad retire of their own free will.(deep intake of breath)
What about Woakes as captain? He's experienced (albeit not with captaincy) can do a job with bat and ball (especially in England), and he seems level-headed, grounded, respected, and pragmatic.
I am not saying it will work, but it might take the pressure of some of the stars to give it to someone who no-one expects miracles from.
Despite this being true.Woakes shouldn’t be anywhere near the side away from home, never mind captain.
Yeah, I can see them beating South Africa now. Winning the thing seems a step too far as Australia look levels above everyone else but it would be nice to get there and find out (Windies can pull shocks as well, you never know).Well at least the women came back from a disaster start to the World Cup and have made the semis
It’s a 50-50 game vs South Africa who have been playing really good cricket while England still have a few passengers in the teamYeah, I can see them beating South Africa now. Winning the thing seems a step too far as Australia look levels above everyone else but it would be nice to get there and find out (Windies can pull shocks as well, you never know).
The other option is to call up a specialist captain like Abell or Rhodes, someone who on paper isn’t really England quality at either batting or bowling but can lead the team. It’s not like any of the batters at the moment are playing England quality either.My personal out there shout is we should have temporary captains. Captaincy is announced for a series when the squad is. We accept that our options aren't secure enough in the side for the long term gig and then casually drop them and pick someone else when either their individual performances or captaincy is a load of shite, or they want a rest, or we don't fancy them in the conditions of an away series.
In doing so we give the coach more control, so as to somewhat reduce the chaotic shifts.
They’re a good side, albeit I kinda expected them to not win a match at some point and miss out, so they’ve done very well and been lucky with the weather (which was needed after the t20 World Cup rain elimination). Good chance at reaching the final although the Aussies are still HUGE favourites. England did push them close first game mind, and anything can happen in a one off final (assuming West Indies don’t beat them in the semi)Well at least the women came back from a disaster start to the World Cup and have made the semis
It’s about right, although I would not be that extreme. At this moment in time I feel they should pick the best captain in county cricket who could fit into the team without negatively impacting the quality of the team (Burns, Abell, Vince, Billings etc.) and give them a stint to steady the ship and build the team up then come back in a year and see where we are. A rolling contract captain, that’s where English cricket is.My personal out there shout is we should have temporary captains. Captaincy is announced for a series when the squad is. We accept that our options aren't secure enough in the side for the long term gig and then casually drop them and pick someone else when either their individual performances or captaincy is a load of shite, or they want a rest, or we don't fancy them in the conditions of an away series.
In doing so we give the coach more control, so as to somewhat reduce the chaotic shifts.
The need to bring the chief selector role back and take that responsibility away from just the coach but I also think the coach will need to be very hands-on. There’s no reliable captaincy option and a dearth of cricketers with the right skills for test cricket. England are going to need someone like Duncan Fletcher who came in, selected players like Trescothick and Vaughan based on what they could potentially offer rather than what they were offering in County Cricket at the time and helped develop them into top international players. The key with Fletcher was he had a vision for the skills he was looking for, the next coach needs to be the same and it will have to be a long term project.After the Silverwood mess we need to be taking power away from the coach in the short/medium term.
Some thoughts (feel free to disagree) :1 win in 17 matches.
5 series defeats in a row. This is worse than the 90s.
If there was anyone else even remotely competent that wanted the job Root would no longer be captain.
We really are not very good right now. I was genuinely worried England were going to come down and smash us and win down here for the first time in 60 odd years or however long it was. It really has been surprising how it’s gone, and not to dog the efforts of our players or anything but a lot of it really seems to be down to England not being that good.West Indies deserve to win the match and the series and fair play to them for that but they're a painfully average side, it's not like England were getting slapped around by a great side or even a particularly good side. That's what makes it so awful.
He is bad. But considering his height and pace, to me Jake Ball is the worst player i‘ve seen play test match cricket. 4 tests, 3 wickets, 114 avg, 204 S/RJust shy of 30, one of the worst bowlers specifically.
I don’t disagree with the concept, but we’ve just had a situation where a coach had too much power and throwing two jobs onto the next coach isn’t going to help anything especially when the new head of selectors will inevitably bring some issues. It’s easy to put faith into people when you have experience around them, which we lack in almost every area right now.The need to bring the chief selector role back and take that responsibility away from just the coach but I also think the coach will need to be very hands-on. There’s no reliable captaincy option and a dearth of cricketers with the right skills for test cricket. England are going to need someone like Duncan Fletcher who came in, selected players like Trescothick and Vaughan based on what they could potentially offer rather than what they were offering in County Cricket at the time and helped develop them into top international players. The key with Fletcher was he had a vision for the skills he was looking for, the next coach needs to be the same and it will have to be a long term project.
Yep. There's plenty of talent there, we just need to identify the lads with the raw materials and back them.The need to bring the chief selector role back and take that responsibility away from just the coach but I also think the coach will need to be very hands-on. There’s no reliable captaincy option and a dearth of cricketers with the right skills for test cricket. England are going to need someone like Duncan Fletcher who came in, selected players like Trescothick and Vaughan based on what they could potentially offer rather than what they were offering in County Cricket at the time and helped develop them into top international players. The key with Fletcher was he had a vision for the skills he was looking for, the next coach needs to be the same and it will have to be a long term project.
The other option is to call up a specialist captain like Abell or Rhodes, someone who on paper isn’t really England quality at either batting or bowling but can lead the team. It’s not like any of the batters at the moment are playing England quality either.
I'd have no issue with this.It’s about right, although I would not be that extreme. At this moment in time I feel they should pick the best captain in county cricket who could fit into the team without negatively impacting the quality of the team (Burns, Abell, Vince, Billings etc.) and give them a stint to steady the ship and build the team up then come back in a year and see where we are. A rolling contract captain, that’s where English cricket is.