Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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@Ranchero weren't you outed as man City fan pretending to be United supporter or have I got you confused with someone else .
That is a really silly comment. Nobody would expect him to say he hasnt proven anything but dont exaggerate his CV. He is up and coming. Not one of Europe's top managers. This is rose tinted spectacles stuff yet again from the club. Let's get real.
A vexatious comment better ignored. Although i clearly haven't. No you are very wrong.
Ignorance is bliss.Sorry now I know you on the wind up
So you posted something like 'We are ManUtd, we should have the best coaches, should be up there with Bayerns, Barcas" and then proceeded by saying we should have gone for managers like Poch (I rate him highly but he had poor 24-36 months), Moyes (who shat himself when gave the job and finally settled at midtable club) and few others.
So what has Potter, Rodgers, Hassenhuttl done at top level where the expectations are always to win to be given ManUtd job?
Right now we made the best possible appointment, signed coach who sets up his team to play attacking football and is on upward trajectory. Poch's time was when we hired Ole or even before. Lets see how he bounce back from the poor run of form he is having since his last season at Spurs. Others are just not good enough for big clubs (ofcourse excluding Tuchel and Conte).
Of course he''s not.Sorry now I know you on the wind up
Why wouldn't we appoint a manager that lost 6-0 a few games ago and 9-0 twice?
Its both though. Look at the vids, the opposition don't look even as good as Norwich in most of them.
For a post with good insights and breakdown of how good ETH was for Ajax, this is the response
Why I said he on the WUM.
So much contradictions with his posts, but Hag is the huge gamble. Any manager will be one at us at the moment as winning the league is really what you are judged on and that's not a given.
But the whole premier League experience has been done to death, bizarre folks claim you need this and then would say Poch In the same sentence, the manager who failed ultimately at winning it and was sacked at the end. Then to mention loads of unproven managers in the premier League as better prospects. Reeks of Arrogance this premier League experience talk especially when you look at most the managers who have won it, nearly all lacked the experience of the league and where learning on the job or winning in their first years.
End of day, it boils down to coaching, and we are currently getting in one of the best and most progressive Europe at moment.
If you are good you are good. I can't see how this would a negative in anyway at all.
The experience argument would hold up lovely for a club like us if you didn't look back at the people you are bigging up Jose and Moyes, they failed here as well.
Madness Moyes even mentioned these days
He just loves moaning, had we hired one of the managers he mentioned he would have cried how we ignored the managers like ETH and went with midtable managers.
What about Roy Hodgson?
I think ETH has all the tools to be a success at United, given some certain conditions. Conditions like will he adapt to a new culture/land, will he survive media scrutiny (yes, he will be scrutinized for the way he talks/acts) and will he be given time by the board, if he's not off to a flying start.
Here's my three reasons why I think he will succeed:
Opponent analysis and game tactics
The way ETH seems to know his every opponent and prepare his team is unlike something I've ever seen before. He is SO good tactically. He allowed us to be so dominant over the last 4,5 years, in the domestic league, but also in a lot of CL matches. The way he prepares his team for the match is often superb. point of improvement is his in-game changes in tactics/subs. Subs seem to come late often, and he doesn't mix up his tactics too often, if his initial game plan is not working
Player motivation/discipline
Whilst ETH is not the most charismatic of managers and doesn't strike me as a particularly good people manager, the discpline has been at its highest it's been in many years. This is particularly impressive, as Ajax has invested heavily in players over the last years, meaning wehad a full/bloated squad with a lot of good players on the bench. This was always a recepy for disaster in earlier years, with a lot of divide within the group, leaks to the press, etc. But none of this has happened under Ten Hag. I think it has something to do with the fact the he is so demanding, of himself and of his players, that the players recognize they simply cannot feck around with him. He can be pretty ruthless in that sense, if you're not with him and his way of working, you're out. Simple as that. Also the in-game motivation and discipline has been very good, the players really seem to give it their all. I think this is where he will add most to United. To me, the biggest problem you guys seem to have is within the mentality/discipline/motivation domain, and Ten Hag will really shake it up. It will be a shock to most, but I think most will be able to adapt. I guess the players don't like to be as unmotivated as they seem at the time, but it is just a consequence of years and years of neglect and bad management in this area. This seems to have created an environment where underperformance is the standard for most players. ETH will definitely shake things up.
Attractiveness/style of play
Simple. We score tonnes of goals, play dominant football and the matches are good to watch. This won't automatically bring success, but at least the matches will be better to watch in the process of achieving success. To me, this year we suffered somewhat in this area. You get a really strong fin du ciecle vibe with this team, where our best players are aging (Tadic, Blind) running down their contracts (Onana, Mazraoui) or leaving for sure (Gravenberch) and some of the other players are simply not good enough (Alvarez, Klaassen). In that sense, I think it is a good thing we are gonna get a big overhaul this summer and shake things up a little bit. ETH has gotten the most out of Ajax that he could, and now it is time for somebody else to pick up the glove, preferably with big changes in player staff as well.
Looking forward to watching ETH coach United next season. Maybe @BrilliantOrange can elaborate a little more, as he is more knowledgable on the tactical side of the game.
Here's my three reasons why I think he will succeed:
Opponent analysis and game tactics
The way ETH seems to know his every opponent and prepare his team is unlike something I've ever seen before. He is SO good tactically. He allowed us to be so dominant over the last 4,5 years, in the domestic league, but also in a lot of CL matches. The way he prepares his team for the match is often superb. point of improvement is his in-game changes in tactics/subs. Subs seem to come late often, and he doesn't mix up his tactics too often, if his initial game plan is not working
Player motivation/discipline
Whilst ETH is not the most charismatic of managers and doesn't strike me as a particularly good people manager, the discpline has been at its highest it's been in many years. This is particularly impressive, as Ajax has invested heavily in players over the last years, meaning wehad a full/bloated squad with a lot of good players on the bench. This was always a recepy for disaster in earlier years, with a lot of divide within the group, leaks to the press, etc. But none of this has happened under Ten Hag. I think it has something to do with the fact the he is so demanding, of himself and of his players, that the players recognize they simply cannot feck around with him. He can be pretty ruthless in that sense, if you're not with him and his way of working, you're out. Simple as that. Also the in-game motivation and discipline has been very good, the players really seem to give it their all. I think this is where he will add most to United. To me, the biggest problem you guys seem to have is within the mentality/discipline/motivation domain, and Ten Hag will really shake it up. It will be a shock to most, but I think most will be able to adapt. I guess the players don't like to be as unmotivated as they seem at the time, but it is just a consequence of years and years of neglect and bad management in this area. This seems to have created an environment where underperformance is the standard for most players. ETH will definitely shake things up.
Attractiveness/style of play
Simple. We score tonnes of goals, play dominant football and the matches are good to watch. This won't automatically bring success, but at least the matches will be better to watch in the process of achieving success. To me, this year we suffered somewhat in this area. You get a really strong fin du ciecle vibe with this team, where our best players are aging (Tadic, Blind) running down their contracts (Onana, Mazraoui) or leaving for sure (Gravenberch) and some of the other players are simply not good enough (Alvarez, Klaassen). In that sense, I think it is a good thing we are gonna get a big overhaul this summer and shake things up a little bit. ETH has gotten the most out of Ajax that he could, and now it is time for somebody else to pick up the glove, preferably with big changes in player staff as well.
Looking forward to watching ETH coach United next season. Maybe @BrilliantOrange can elaborate a little more, as he is more knowledgable on the tactical side of the game.
Agree. And I think we will have a really tough first season. Pep had it tough also, just couldn't properly adapt with pace and physicality when he came.
Now, take our squad and you can't change it in one window, so we won't be even suited to play this way. It's a recipe for underwhelming first year to say the least. But, if you do implement it finally and with a proper team I firmly believe that what was disadvantage at start becomes a massive advantage as this kind of football is just technically superior and your regular Burnley or Norwich won't be able to cope with it. You could also argue that he will have superior individuals eventually and hopefully. He went and wrestled with European best in CL after all.
Will be bumpy, but if it clicks.
Those qualities are not necessarily mutually exclusive and he is also known to not suffer fools.
The likes of Pep, Klopp, even Tuchel are clear examples that a person can be both those things, so I'm unsure how that's not occuring to you.
Clever software engineers can also make inspiring and uncompromising leaders, again, examples abound
Are you drunk?
What Ole ffs (and I like him). The man is on another planet compared with him coaching wise.
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/erik-ten-hag-man-utd-manager-b2062311.html
It's a really good article. Although, he does come into minefield.
What encourages me about him is that his Ajax teams have played the likes of Real Madrid, Dortmund, Juventus, Sporting etc in the Champions League and relentlessly continued attacking despite being in the lead in those matches.
It can obviously work against him, as his Ajax team were 3-0 up on aggregate to Tottenham in the Champions League Semi Final and they kept attacking and ended up conceding 3 goals. But i'd rather see the team be ruthless in attacking and lose a few games than play for draws like Man Utd do in 2022.
It can obviously work against him, as his Ajax team were 3-0 up on aggregate to Tottenham in the Champions League Semi Final and they kept attacking and ended up conceding 3 goals. But i'd rather see the team be ruthless in attacking and lose a few games than play for draws like Man Utd do in 2022.
ETH is as big a gamble as Ole….
We should have gone for a safer bet like Brentan, Moyes or Hassenhutl.
The opinions of either a troll or a clown.
We should have gone for a safer bet like Brentan, Moyes or Hassenhutl.
The opinions of either a troll or a clown.There’s a guy in this thread bigging up hassenhuttl, potter or moyes over ETH
what a start to the day
what a start to the day
Basically big Sam or Woy would satisfy him
ETH is as big a gamble as Ole….
We should have gone for a safer bet like Brentan, Moyes or Hassenhutl.
I actually missed the Rodgers one, another manager who won in bigger Micky mouse league than the Dutch league where it was a one horse race, but also failed in the premier league, but he got the experience so he should be a pick of Hag.
At this stage everyone is a pick over him and going to be gamble and will need to have big League experience
You mentioned Barca and Bayern conveniently ignoring the former who are currently in very good form hired an ex player who was managing in Asia whilst the latter won the CL with a manager who never managed a big club prior to Bayern. You see how silly and contradictory you sound?
If a manager is a good fit he's a good fit whether he has the pedigree of Pep/Klopp or unknown element of a Flick/Xavi/Ten Hag before managing big clubs
Imagine comparing Ten Hag to Ole. Ten Hag is a gamble, Ole was just a mistake that everyone should have seen coming.
Who would have been your choice then? Enrique? Zidane? Was Jose not one of the best available when we hired him?
Exactly. Same Barca also hired manager from their Dutch league and their reserves.
Rijkaard - Dutch league manager and no experience elsewhere.
Pep - Barca B manager
Tito - Pep's assistant
Martino - South American league
Luis Enrique - Midtable club manager
and the pattern is same. Same with Bayern, except Ancelotti, Pep I don't think they hired big name managers.
You just know if we had appointed any of the managers he suggested in that post he would still be moaning and telling everyone we should've went for ten Hag.
Dont know who wrote it but not all rosy, youth we are still no where and the womens team had its downs already too. I hope he gets it right now, so far it looks like
Maybe, and so dar things look promising. But what about the womens team? Youth team setup?
Doesn't matter whose in charge if the summer transfer window is a bust ans he isn't allowed to gut the squad to his choosing.
I like ten haag, I just feel that this club is such a basket case that we will end up ruining him while still putting our players on a pedestal.
I like ten haag, I just feel that this club is such a basket case that we will end up ruining him while still putting our players on a pedestal.
More than anything I’m happy that we have finally got a modern progressive manager who considers attacking football as his most important priority. I’m sure ETH will build his team around those ethos. From Moyes to Ole we had managers who either didn’t have it in them or they were clueless about it or past their best. All these signings all these 9 years never had a common theme about them about what kind of football we are building our team for ? Just winging it.
We must prioritise playing on the front foot at all costs. That’s was one of the reasons I wasn’t convinced hiring Conte. I’m sick and tired of us playing like underdogs for these 9 years. Of course there needs to be a balance about attacking and defending and winning matches. But the philosophy should always be attacking football at our club. It’s embarrassing the way we have played football and no fear factor left in us. You talk about going back to the basics, this is the basics we should start from and I’m over the moon ten hag share the same DNA as us.
We must prioritise playing on the front foot at all costs. That’s was one of the reasons I wasn’t convinced hiring Conte. I’m sick and tired of us playing like underdogs for these 9 years. Of course there needs to be a balance about attacking and defending and winning matches. But the philosophy should always be attacking football at our club. It’s embarrassing the way we have played football and no fear factor left in us. You talk about going back to the basics, this is the basics we should start from and I’m over the moon ten hag share the same DNA as us.
He thinks he can improve a lot of the squad according to the Guardian:
Erik ten Hag will not be backed with a lavish budget to rebuild Manchester United but will receive what the club regard as adequate funds to enhance a squad the new manager believes he can vastly improve with his coaching.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...-hag-appointed-manchester-united-manager-ajax
Exactly.You just know if we had appointed any of the managers he suggested in that post he would still be moaning and telling everyone we should've went for ten Hag.
Based on his transfer news, he only reports news that is true or already confirmed. I don’t think he’s the type to fabricate stories, especially something as important as this, and our dressing room have history of leaks against the manager and even team sheets hours before the game. I wouldn’t be surprised if he even knew of the identity of the underwhelmed players, but just didn’t release the names in order to keep his relationship with them.
I think our defence is really poorly suited to playing the way Ten Hag wants, so I think top 4 will be tough in year 1.
Shaw, Varane, Lindelof and a new signing probably the best options around and Maguire isn't miles apart from a big galoot like De Ligt I suppose if you're really being optimistic (though I think his mobility has really taken a dip and he desperately needs to go to like West Ham or Atletico Madrid and play in a deeper line).
We really need to sign 2 defenders and get a miraculous Shaw season.
Shaw, Varane, Lindelof and a new signing probably the best options around and Maguire isn't miles apart from a big galoot like De Ligt I suppose if you're really being optimistic (though I think his mobility has really taken a dip and he desperately needs to go to like West Ham or Atletico Madrid and play in a deeper line).
We really need to sign 2 defenders and get a miraculous Shaw season.
Kinda, also a bit more Ralf than Ralf. The pundits, who were mostly foreign felt our club was 'too British' for Dutch football and that a Dutch coach never really achieved any significant cultural change at a Premier League club and that it might take yeas.
A newer LVG?
My point was how can he say the dressing room when he has not spoken to all of them? Maybe one or the other dont like it, but thats not the dressing room. Thats why this tweet is pointless
I get it's a gamble, but feck me the one thing this club needs - and something everyone who watches United can surely agree on - is a total revolution in playing style. We have technically gifted players, but there is zero fire/fecks given when we lose 5-0 and 4-0 to Liverpool/2-0 and 4-1 to City. No bounce back, no nothing.
ETH might fail, but at least he's a coach with a clearly modern way of playing. If you want a manager who can get the best out of players previously considered not good enough for top clubs, ETH has previous - most recently Haller, but arguably Tadic and our own Daley Blind too. You could argue that Klopp has done similar with Liverpool (turning Robertson - as an example of many - into a truly world class defender).
The reason why it's a gamble is that currently United do not fit ETH. However, that's because we are a bunch of lazy useless cnuts who don't give a feck and ETH runs a team in Ajax who are ruthless. I'd much rather bring in a manger like ETH and give him free reign to pull the rug from under the feet of our useless twat of a team - much like Fergie in his first couple seasons - and see how we get on, rather than bring in a safer bet in Pochettino who hasn't really managed to do anything of note with PSG.
ETH might fail, but at least he's a coach with a clearly modern way of playing. If you want a manager who can get the best out of players previously considered not good enough for top clubs, ETH has previous - most recently Haller, but arguably Tadic and our own Daley Blind too. You could argue that Klopp has done similar with Liverpool (turning Robertson - as an example of many - into a truly world class defender).
The reason why it's a gamble is that currently United do not fit ETH. However, that's because we are a bunch of lazy useless cnuts who don't give a feck and ETH runs a team in Ajax who are ruthless. I'd much rather bring in a manger like ETH and give him free reign to pull the rug from under the feet of our useless twat of a team - much like Fergie in his first couple seasons - and see how we get on, rather than bring in a safer bet in Pochettino who hasn't really managed to do anything of note with PSG.
Opposition fan most like.ETH is as big a gamble as Ole….
We should have gone for a safer bet like Brentan, Moyes or Hassenhutl.
Welcome to United corp, good luck to him, God knows he will need it. Personally for me, everything will be telling during the summer, not talking about incommings, he has to force a purge, otherwise they will drag him down.