MichaelRed
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Don't actually want to "make enemies" here so I'll try be as respectful as possible to give an opposing view to your points.
2) They were, with a very low proving threshhold, with no jury & Amber being used as a reliable witness. I also think JD shot himself in the foot by using the approach we're now seeing Amber use with the "I'm holier than thou and completely innocent and perfect in every way" approach. JD got caught out, rightly so, with that approach. In this trial he has been a lot more open about him having his own past issues & I think it'll work out a much better approach in the end.
3) The pictures were submitted with no metadata, data that is used to show time, date, location & whether or not the picture has been altered. There's literally zero reason to refuse to submit metadata if your picture is legitimate as it will just prove that you're telling the truth. So the pictures already start on the shakiest of ground but then we see her December 2015 "bruising" with a very filled in & clearly regularly used calendar behind her set to "ARY 2015". So are we saying that the calendar was clearly used regularly, as shown by half of it being filled out, but was then not changed from January/February all the way up until December? Another picture shows a bruise on her arm which she says she got from an event where JD smashed her across the face, causing her lip to split and splatter blood on the walls, pinned her down by gripping her arms (how she claims this arm bruise appeared), then she says he smashed her in the face with his fistful of rings so many times that she lost count. The bruise has no finger marks and doesn't match with how a bruise would appear from that event, she has no split lip & not even a blotch of redness on a face that had apparantly been pummeled by an effective knuckle-duster. Add to this that she looks like a teenager in the picture, has a hair colour that she hadn't had for 5 years prior to the event & a phone that had been discontinued 4 years prior, despite her being a millionaire that JD apparantly showered with gifts. At this point the pictures are hurting her case and are going to end up being better evidence for JD & she shouldn't have submitted them at all.
4) He had always had issues with alcohol and drugs, just like she does. What evidence is this of anything? It's her whole case, I can prove JD does drink & drugs so therefore please take a leap of faith and believe that he beat the shit out of me. She doesn't want us to take that leap and assume the same of her though, despite her substance abuse? She also said on the stand that she would never do cocaine & was totally against it, despite her having a self reported cocaine addiction on her medical records.
5) Dr Dawn Hughes who used gender stereotypes her entire testimony, claiming males can be victims in same-sex relationships. Dr Dawn Hughes who has, in decades of doing this, never testified on behalf of a male victim in a heterosexual case. Dr Dawn Hughes who testified she had judged Amber to have PTSD before administering the test & could therefore have easily been using outcome bias. Dr Dawn Hughes that didn't even properly administer the test that starts off by requiring a specific traumatic event to trigger the PTSD but she just left that blank. Dr Dawn Hughes who also left the frequencies blank on every page. Dr Dawn Hughes who only regurgitated Amber's story & said she disagreed with all the other medical notes on Amber. She also said she was able to determine Depp was the abuser despite never speaking to him. Sorry but Amber's dog could have taken the stand and been more credible than her.
6) Depps texts apologising for his drink & drug problem? Again, we already know about this, so what does that prove with regards to him beating her up?
7) If you show me this one I'd be very interested in it.
8) Amber Heard texting people to say he abused her is somehow evidence he abused her? She's the least credible witness so far so this doesn't carry much weight.
1) Depp has no violence reported by Kate Moss, this is just a myth & actually when Amber brought up the Kate Moss alleged violence on the stand we saw Depp's team immediately fist pumping & celebrating amongst each other so it may very well be likely that they'll now bring Moss in as a rebuttal witness to disprove that allegation. The other accusation I'm not aware of & you can't remember it either so I can't comment on it.If you look at any piece of evidence on it's own it won't work but add up all of this:
1) Depps violent past reported by Kate Moss and another ex (I'm forgetting the name she was involved in the UK high court case)
2) Suns 12 counts of accusation against him withheld in a UK high court
3) Bruises on Amber Heard with pictures shared
4) Depps obvious problems with alcohol and drugs
5) A board certified psychologist Dr. Dawn Hughes has said she clearly sees sexual and physical abuse from Depp. I've heard a lot about this psychologist being a quack. I think that's none sense but yes she's Heard's psychologist so there is bias here but at best I think there would be exaggeration of events. Not "just never happened".
6) Depps apologies on text, texts to friends.
7) Depps assistant said Depp was apologetic, appalled and sad when I would tell him about how he beat her up. He claims Depp would say he had an illness (addiction) and didn't remember any of this. Here its possible Depp's own assistent is lying but again, it's all these cases combined.
8) Amber Heard has texts to friends and families as well as diary notes from the times he hit her all the way back to 2013.
There is all of this. And again, she could be framing him but for me it's easier to understand that he did hit her.
2) They were, with a very low proving threshhold, with no jury & Amber being used as a reliable witness. I also think JD shot himself in the foot by using the approach we're now seeing Amber use with the "I'm holier than thou and completely innocent and perfect in every way" approach. JD got caught out, rightly so, with that approach. In this trial he has been a lot more open about him having his own past issues & I think it'll work out a much better approach in the end.
3) The pictures were submitted with no metadata, data that is used to show time, date, location & whether or not the picture has been altered. There's literally zero reason to refuse to submit metadata if your picture is legitimate as it will just prove that you're telling the truth. So the pictures already start on the shakiest of ground but then we see her December 2015 "bruising" with a very filled in & clearly regularly used calendar behind her set to "ARY 2015". So are we saying that the calendar was clearly used regularly, as shown by half of it being filled out, but was then not changed from January/February all the way up until December? Another picture shows a bruise on her arm which she says she got from an event where JD smashed her across the face, causing her lip to split and splatter blood on the walls, pinned her down by gripping her arms (how she claims this arm bruise appeared), then she says he smashed her in the face with his fistful of rings so many times that she lost count. The bruise has no finger marks and doesn't match with how a bruise would appear from that event, she has no split lip & not even a blotch of redness on a face that had apparantly been pummeled by an effective knuckle-duster. Add to this that she looks like a teenager in the picture, has a hair colour that she hadn't had for 5 years prior to the event & a phone that had been discontinued 4 years prior, despite her being a millionaire that JD apparantly showered with gifts. At this point the pictures are hurting her case and are going to end up being better evidence for JD & she shouldn't have submitted them at all.
4) He had always had issues with alcohol and drugs, just like she does. What evidence is this of anything? It's her whole case, I can prove JD does drink & drugs so therefore please take a leap of faith and believe that he beat the shit out of me. She doesn't want us to take that leap and assume the same of her though, despite her substance abuse? She also said on the stand that she would never do cocaine & was totally against it, despite her having a self reported cocaine addiction on her medical records.
5) Dr Dawn Hughes who used gender stereotypes her entire testimony, claiming males can be victims in same-sex relationships. Dr Dawn Hughes who has, in decades of doing this, never testified on behalf of a male victim in a heterosexual case. Dr Dawn Hughes who testified she had judged Amber to have PTSD before administering the test & could therefore have easily been using outcome bias. Dr Dawn Hughes that didn't even properly administer the test that starts off by requiring a specific traumatic event to trigger the PTSD but she just left that blank. Dr Dawn Hughes who also left the frequencies blank on every page. Dr Dawn Hughes who only regurgitated Amber's story & said she disagreed with all the other medical notes on Amber. She also said she was able to determine Depp was the abuser despite never speaking to him. Sorry but Amber's dog could have taken the stand and been more credible than her.
6) Depps texts apologising for his drink & drug problem? Again, we already know about this, so what does that prove with regards to him beating her up?
7) If you show me this one I'd be very interested in it.
8) Amber Heard texting people to say he abused her is somehow evidence he abused her? She's the least credible witness so far so this doesn't carry much weight.
The lip thing was the most compelling thing I'd seen from AH so far tbh but that quickly washed away. It's a scab on her bottom right lip but tbh my partner's lips look like that 24/7 because she has the habit of chewing & picking at her lips. I don't think it's a very common habit, particularly in adults so I would be willing to give AH the benefit of the doubt and say it could have been an injury that wasn't self-sustained. That all fades away when you watch her sit on the stand, chewing her bottom right lip for hours on end. It clearly is a habit she also has because she has done it almost literally non-stop.I mean that is pretty ridiculous. Someone posting a picture that looks worse than that of hers to "prove" this isn't "real" domestic abuse? Does a bruised lip not count?
Don't really understand the highlighted part. If by power and muscle you mean he made a legal case out of it then what's the problem? If her accusations are false then are you saying he should just lay down and take it and not use his power to fight back? That's seems very odd. Also odd to say he wrecked her image when you'd think that it was her that wrecked her image. He didn't force her to beat him or to shit on his bed or to lie about him.I'm bringing a balanced opinion. The cancelling of Depp was wrong the way it happened in the peak of the movement where Amber Heard was a saint but afterwards, Depp used his power and muscle to wreck her imagine which he very successfully has.
I am "obsessing" over Depp because he's seen as the innocent party here by most while I think both are toxic to each other.
The point he's trying to make with Rihanna is that she sustained those injuries from being punched 3 times by Chris Brown whilst he was driving. Amber looks tired and 24 hours after the alleged beating she looks literally flawless. All this despite AH claiming she was pinned to the ground and pummeled in the face more times than she could count by a man that was, she claims, wearing so many rings that he was basically wearing a knuckle-duster. The point isn't that you have to look like Rihanna to have been struck, just that if you were attacked as she described you'd probably have a face like a jigsaw.If you want to argue the photos are fake you can talk about the visuals of it or that they could be bruises from other injuries but sharing a picture of Rihanna who was beaten up pretty bad as a counter is plain weird.