Darwin Núñez | Liverpool player | Sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe shish

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This might be an interesting thread to revisit come December. The Caf of all places should understand the Power of the Jinx Thread (which I am currently pitching as a series to Netflix).
He'll surely bang in 40+ goals this season!
 
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TBH i haven't seen much of Haaland and Nunez but the stats from FBref suggest otherwise

Here a little comparison of them with a few other strikers, all stats are per 90 minutes from all club games in the last 365 days they played:

PlayerNunezHaalandRonaldoFirminoKaneRicharlisonMbappeImmobileLautaro Martinez
Pressures15,24 (53)12,56 (27)6,5423,4810,5321,058,0915,7315,00
Successful pressures3,22 (26)3,87 (46)1,668,623,065,141,923,564,25
successful pressures %21,2% (2)30,8% (93)25,3%36,7%29,1%24,4%23,8%22,7%28,3%
pressures (def 3rd)2,49 (89)0,21 (1)0,872,810,753,170,410,860,91
pressures (mid 3rd)5,72 (40)3,79 (8)2,7010,684,188,452,145,605,97
pressures (off 3rd)7,04 (48)8,56 (74)2,969,995,609,425,539,278,11

Of course Firmino is an absolute pressing monster, Richarlison also seems like one. While we all know that Ronaldo and Mbappe e.g. don't really care too much about pressing. So they are a lot better than "lazy" players but at the same time not close to really intense pressers.

For Nunez and Haaland i added the percentile against all other strikers in the brackets. So you can see it's not like i chose intense pressers to make them look bad, they are just not pressing that much. Haaland is quite a successful presser while Nunez works a bit harder but the stats suggest that his pressing is quite unsuccessful.

I know, stats aren't everything. But at least they suggest that it isn't true that these 2 are "extremley intense pressers".
That’s fair enough, good research. To the eye it looks like they are but they are just above average. I don’t mind that. ;)
 

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I think liverpool infrastructure provides you with so many goal chances it will impossible for him to be a total bust.
 

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Great reading in the replies for Man Utd fans. Some stand-outs :

Why whenever I see a Benefica flair speak about this guy it's not positive lma. Like what percentage of the fanbase thinks he's worth €100mil total package?
Not a single one, but hey Liverpool got him
The percentage who enjoys recreational drugs
Every benfica fan i have interacted with always spoke about the guy as 40-45m worth at most.

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They really tried to sneack him in to haaland - martial debate
 

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I'm assuming all the posts are just a piss take ones and not the posts they really believe.

He barely played a half and had only few training sessions. Also his technique might be erratic but who cares, as long as he is scoring and working his ass off, off the ball then that's the only thing that matters.

If he was signed by others i would have said chances of him flopping is high but it's Klopp and he gets spot on most times.
 

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I'm assuming all the posts are just a piss take ones and not the posts they really believe.

He barely played a half and had only few training sessions. Also his technique might be erratic but who cares, as long as he is scoring and working his ass off, off the ball then that's the only thing that matters.

If he was signed by others i would have said chances of him flopping is high but it's Klopp and he gets spot on most times.
Not always. Sometimes a striker who has rough general play can hurt the effectiveness of the collective despite their goals. And it's Liverpools track record that has been great - someone like Salah wasn't Klopps pick. But they will make mistakes and many of them in the future as will every club.
 

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Not always. Sometimes a striker who has rough general play can hurt the effectiveness of the collective despite their goals. And it's Liverpools track record that has been great - someone like Salah wasn't Klopps pick. But they will make mistakes and many of them in the future as will every club.
For City yes, Liverpool game are mostly crossing team and fast transitions.

Also I didn't mean klopp as someone who identifies talent, he makes everyone play well, at least most of the players. Even fecking Origi looked competent player under him.
 

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Some of you are mental. He might end up shit but my god he has just joined a new team with a new way of playing.

He's being judged against Mane as he's apparently his replacement.
There is no replacement for Mane he was a one-off
I think a lot of it is tongue in cheek .
Enjoy the moment we don’t get it too often to take the piss out of them or one of their players
 

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He’ll obviously get goals with the way Liverpool create chances.

The bigger concern for Liverpool would be how it affects the balance of their team. I don’t feel it’s possible to play a style of football which supplies both Salah and Nunez. One or the other will suffer. Salah is suited to a system with other forwards who inter change with him that he can link up with by playing it into their feet. Nunez is more suited to full backs and wingers supplying him with balls behind and around the back of defenders. Two different styles of play.

That’s why it’ll be intriguing to see what kind of solution Klopp comes up with to accommodate both of them.
 

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I'm assuming all the posts are just a piss take ones and not the posts they really believe.

He barely played a half and had only few training sessions. Also his technique might be erratic but who cares, as long as he is scoring and working his ass off, off the ball then that's the only thing that matters.

If he was signed by others i would have said chances of him flopping is high but it's Klopp and he gets spot on most times.
Because technique is amazingly important at a high level. Probably the single most important aspect of a player.
 

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Because technique is amazingly important at a high level. Probably the single most important aspect of a player.
You need everything, technique alone won't achieve anything. That's why lot of young players who have exceptional technique won't make it at highest level.

Diego Costa was one of the clumsiest player and he played very important role in winning 3 league titles. There is more to the game than just technical skills.
 

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You need everything, technique alone won't achieve anything. That's why lot of young players who have exceptional technique won't make it at highest level.

Diego Costa was one of the clumsiest player and he played very important role in winning 3 league titles. There is more to the game than just technical skills.
There is more to the game, but it is the most important aspect and as time goes on the Costa type player is dying out.
 

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Yeah I’m convinced this lad is a busted flush. He’ll score a few goals leading up to January against lower league teams, then they’ll dry up big time in the second half of the season. Huge Andy Carrol vibes from this one
 

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Yeah I’m convinced this lad is a busted flush. He’ll score a few goals leading up to January against lower league teams, then they’ll dry up big time in the second half of the season. Huge Andy Carrol vibes from this one
He reminds me of their **** hero Sean Dundee
 

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Can we keep our powder dry on this one until he's played a little more for them? Going to be really embarrassing if he turns out to be the next Drogba.
 

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Mate, give them one month in a year you heartless bastard. :lol:
Seeing you lot crash and burn this season will be glorious. At least we can acknowledge we're shite, and ETH will have a monumental task to be worse than Ole/Ragnick.

As for Nunez? So much potential.......to be an absolute meme signing :drool:
 

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There is more to the game, but it is the most important aspect and as time goes on the Costa type player is dying out.
City just signed Haaland and he isn't exactly technically excellent player, Liverpool sign Nunez. They are the top 3-5 clubs in Europe.
 

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Haaland is technically a lot better than Costa.
Yeah, Costa is not the point of discussion. Haaland isn't technically gifted player, so is Nunez. Top clubs signed them for big money. There is more to the game than just technique.
 

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Yeah I’m convinced this lad is a busted flush. He’ll score a few goals leading up to January against lower league teams, then they’ll dry up big time in the second half of the season. Huge Andy Carrol vibes from this one
Nah. His movement is significantly better than Carroll's, so there's that for starters.

That said, I've spent the last six months arguing he is not a nailed on 90M player but more of a "worth a punt at 40M or so" as he is easily a 25-30M striker.

I have question marks on him, particularly re adaptability, character, intelligence and -linked to that- whether he is a confidence player. It's not that he is sus, just that as yet he has shown no satisfactory evidence consistent with the 90M scenario.
 

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TBH i haven't seen much of Haaland and Nunez but the stats from FBref suggest otherwise

Here a little comparison of them with a few other strikers, all stats are per 90 minutes from all club games in the last 365 days they played:

PlayerNunezHaalandRonaldoFirminoKaneRicharlisonMbappeImmobileLautaro Martinez
Pressures15,24 (53)12,56 (27)6,5423,4810,5321,058,0915,7315,00
Successful pressures3,22 (26)3,87 (46)1,668,623,065,141,923,564,25
successful pressures %21,2% (2)30,8% (93)25,3%36,7%29,1%24,4%23,8%22,7%28,3%
pressures (def 3rd)2,49 (89)0,21 (1)0,872,810,753,170,410,860,91
pressures (mid 3rd)5,72 (40)3,79 (8)2,7010,684,188,452,145,605,97
pressures (off 3rd)7,04 (48)8,56 (74)2,969,995,609,425,539,278,11

Of course Firmino is an absolute pressing monster, Richarlison also seems like one. While we all know that Ronaldo and Mbappe e.g. don't really care too much about pressing. So they are a lot better than "lazy" players but at the same time not close to really intense pressers.

For Nunez and Haaland i added the percentile against all other strikers in the brackets. So you can see it's not like i chose intense pressers to make them look bad, they are just not pressing that much. Haaland is quite a successful presser while Nunez works a bit harder but the stats suggest that his pressing is quite unsuccessful.

I know, stats aren't everything. But at least they suggest that it isn't true that these 2 are "extremley intense pressers".
But nobody could compete with Kevin Davies, Bolton legend
 

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I’ll ask again, did you enjoy the game yesterday?!
I had absolutely no reason to watch a non-game. I was enjoying the London sun. I still haven't seen any highlights obviously. :lol:

Did you enjoy the boom yesterday. I mean the game?
 

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Nah. His movement is significantly better than Carroll's, so there's that for starters.

That said, I've spent the last six months arguing he is not a nailed on 90M player but more of a "worth a punt at 40M or so" as he is easily a 25-30M striker.

I have question marks on him, particularly re adaptability, character, intelligence and -linked to that- whether he is a confidence player. It's not that he is sus, just that as yet he has shown no satisfactory evidence consistent with the 90M scenario.
Absolutely agree. For £40m it’s a different story, decent signing. For what they paid he’s guaranteed to fail because that is more than double what he’s worth and this return post Mane will be utterly disappointing. It’s a lot of money to replace Origi
 

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For City yes, Liverpool game are mostly crossing team and fast transitions.
Despite being a "crossing team" their 1 league title success has been built around two attackers with exceptional technical qualities in Mane and Salah.
 

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Yeah, Costa is not the point of discussion. Haaland isn't technically gifted player, so is Nunez. Top clubs signed them for big money. There is more to the game than just technique.
Yea there is, I never said otherwise, I never said it's more important than all things combined. That's called a strawman fallacy.

Nunez is not technically strong enough for a top team, he will flop.
 

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Can we keep our powder dry on this one until he's played a little more for them? Going to be really embarrassing if he turns out to be the next Drogba.
What's the worst that could happen ? Someone from the internet will quote you with a green smiley?

feck that, I laughed at him looking gangly and awkward yesterday. Hopefully there's to come of that.
 

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Yea there is, I never said otherwise, I never said it's more important than all things combined. That's called a strawman fallacy.

Nunez is not technically strong enough for a top team, he will flop.
Haaland isn't technically strong enough either, or maybe teams look at more than just technique which is the argument I'm making.

Ofcourse technique is important, players won't be playing professional football without one, it's just that few are better than others. Thiago is a technical wizard compared to Fabinho but both are equally important.