Ronaldo is the first and only player I’ll ever see being held accountable for other grown players’ performances. I’ve never seen it before and will probably never see it again
Cristiano Ronaldo (I stay)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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We need a striker, Rashford and Martial cant be trusted to deliver.
Well it goes for Messi as well although that's more about him being blamed when Barcas defense had a mare
You're right
Extending his contract and returning a year later is the most Ed Woodward thing I’ve heard all summer….
There is no scenario now where he stays and doesn’t cause unlimited disruption and distraction.
The only extension to his contract is to enable a loan with a guaranteed purchase to make his signing viable for someone.
There is no scenario now where he stays and doesn’t cause unlimited disruption and distraction.
The only extension to his contract is to enable a loan with a guaranteed purchase to make his signing viable for someone.
This is absolute bollocks and you know it. It’s totally part of your MO, mind.
It was a regular discussion point going back, for instance, to when we had Rooney and Tevez doing the running and allowing Ronaldo to do whatever he wanted, which then got disrupted by the signing of Berbatov. In recent years it was a talking point of how Liverpool needed to play Firminho who, despite his own numbers not being particularly good, allowed Mane and Salah to be so much more. Many past England managers had to shuffle around the Gerrard/Lampard conundrum because they just couldn’t be played together for getting in each other’s way and both being blunted as a result.
So either you’re don’t see anything if it isn’t about him, or you’re just lying.
The lack of links to a CF makes me think we won't let Ronaldo leave. That, or we were caught off guard by it and are desperately scrambling around assessing the options but haven't yet picked a target.
What you wrote has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. Berbatov came in an disrupted the fluidity of the previous season’s attack but nowhere did he get blamed for other players’ performances. He was only accused of not being a good fit and generally not being that good in his first season. And it wasn’t even an outrage, just a micro analysis. Ditto your other examples. The Lampard and Gerrard conundrum is even a weirder example. The managers were blamed for not getting the best out of them on a tactical level but the players themselves were never blamed or for others around them not performing. What we’re seeing with Ronaldo is pretty unique. People are essentially saying Rashford was as bad as he was (couldn’t even do the basics) because Ronaldo was in the team or that Sancho was underwhelming because of him.
we should have a whip-round and make this happen
It isn't unique at all. Hell, even in our own team Maguire has been mercilessly blamed for making the rest of his defensive teammates worse, likewise De Gea. And it is a legit argument. Players obviously have an impact on the performance levels of their teammates, some more so than others. A player as undynamic as Ronaldo is clearly going to!
Maguire is a poor example as he’s genuinely made costly errors and has individually been atrocious. He can directly be blamed for a lot of goals we conceded last season. Ronaldo was 3rd top scorer in the PL last season, won the most POTM awards and scored many decisive goals for the team. Him being responsible for the form of Sancho and Rashford can’t be proven at all.
Agree regarding consistency in scoring goals. But if you talk performances beyond goals than Cristiano has never really consistent even in his prime with probably 06/07 season being an exception.
For me the greatness of Ronaldo is in the number and importance of goals he has scored plus longevity period.
The definition of fanboyism
.I miss those days when it used to be about Man Utd the team rather than obsession of any particular player.
Pretty sure that 'family matter' was over before it begun
How does that make him a bad example?! That makes him the perfect example! You literally said 'the players themselves were never blamed or for others around them not performing. What we’re seeing with Ronaldo is pretty unique'. Maguire has been blamed for affecting the performance levels of his teammates. It's the same with De Gea. People say his lack of controlling of his area makes the defence nervous and as a result we are more vulnerable from crosses, corners etc. That isn't to do with individual errors, it's to do with how certain distinct playstyles impact the people around them.
If you don't think Ronaldo had any impact on how the other forwards play (and that extends to Bruno and Greenwood as well, not just Sancho and Rashford), then fair enough. Some people do, though. And it isn't a unique criticism which only Ronaldo is subject to at all, which was your original point.
I didn’t say he didn’t have an impact on how others around him play. I said that he is held accountable for their performances (and the team’s performances) even.
Actually I suspect some Real Madrid fans may even be secretly glad if he joins Atletico. Imagine if he implodes a 3rd team and cause the 3rd manager to be sacked in 3 years running, music to Real Madrid fans’ ears.
Worth remembering, I guess, that Ronaldo is probably one of the fittest in the squad but The Guardian has this:
"United have been respectful of Ronaldo’s need to be at home and the manager said on Friday he has still not had any communication with the Portuguese while away. But Ronaldo will now be asked when he feels able to start training. Even if this was to be as early as Tuesday, Ten Hag has suggested he may not be able to play Ronaldo against Brighton due to his lack of preparation.
In missing all of United’s pre-season so far Ronaldo is four weeks behind those who first returned to training at the end of last month"
"United have been respectful of Ronaldo’s need to be at home and the manager said on Friday he has still not had any communication with the Portuguese while away. But Ronaldo will now be asked when he feels able to start training. Even if this was to be as early as Tuesday, Ten Hag has suggested he may not be able to play Ronaldo against Brighton due to his lack of preparation.
In missing all of United’s pre-season so far Ronaldo is four weeks behind those who first returned to training at the end of last month"
Can't believe we have not shipped him out yet!!!
Can't get too excited about this s season if he hangs around like a dark cloud over the squad. The exciting front four will go back into its shell if he is still here is my bigge fear
Can't get too excited about this s season if he hangs around like a dark cloud over the squad. The exciting front four will go back into its shell if he is still here is my bigge fear
How can we? Mendes is begging around Europe for a top club to take on a bloke that turns 38 this season and who loses his shit every time he has to sit on the bench.
The contract extension then a loan thing is massively insulting to the club, and unheard of on the top level. Really hope we deny this as soon as possible.
The fact that we have to ask him when he's going to return is an embarrassment to the club.
Hope we never see him pull on a United shirt again.
Hope we never see him pull on a United shirt again.
Are United trying to be as nice as possible because they think Ronaldo is going nowhere so it is better NOT to be confrontational?
The second one most definitely
Tbf to the club after Nunez went to Liverpool there aren't many options. The talent at CF right now must be at an all time low.
Ronaldo : "Ronaldo does not like CocaCola"
His son : "But you are Ronaldo! stop doing that dad, it's creepy!"
Ronaldo : "Ronaldo does what he wants. Ronaldo wants to play in the Champions League"
Is it embarrassing when I have a member of staff on long term compassionate leave and I have HR ring to ask them when they will be back in?
If they've been ringing round every other company in the industry and trying to sell themselves then no, to be honest! In fact I'd be asking some serious bloody questions.
Considering he's doing everything he can publicly to leave your company at the same time as his 'long term compassionate leave' then yes, it is embarrassing.
Maguire giving the ball away close to goal and letting players cruise past him will obviously be solved by changing a forward 50 yards up the pitch remember.
Teams comfortably playing into our half and building attacks with ease is probably aided by a CF who barely moves.
Ronaldo still does his actual job much better than Maguire. It’s not really up for discussion.
The first?
The same thing was literally said about Ruud slowing down Rooney and Ronaldo. That was true at the time and so is this.
I don’t remember it being said at the time. It was something that came up retrospectively after the duos success the following season, I may be remembering wrongly though.
Not sure what Ronaldo failing to move has to do with Maguire.
Leave Britney alone
Really, you must be young ? As if not, do you not remember the weekly joke about why Le King had to have his collar turned up, to carry a useless lump of (Andy) Cole ? As rumour back then was Le King didnt rate or trust him enough to pass too him and was holding him back, and well could be something in it if you are a tin foil hat wearer, as look at the 3 seasons when Cole first joined and the 3 after Le King left 12, 13,7 and after 25, 24, 22.
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People have been blaming the poor performance of others on Ronaldo.
It's one thing to blame Rashford and forward's lack of form on him, but it's hard to put Maguire's inability to pass or knack of letting players bomb past him down to Ronaldo 50 yards up the pitch.
(Although someone a few posts above did try and do just that
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But he’s not doing his job currently and is trying to get out of an employment contract. Not sure how he’s doing anything better than anyone else in the squad?
We constantly give him the red carpet treatment and the respect is never mutual.
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