F1 2022 Season
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
Max raced a good race but he can't be driver of the day given the spin - if Ferrari weren't idiots it would have cost him the win.
The call for Max to come in for his second pit stop was actually brilliant. It’d have been easy to go status quo because Max was faster than the cars in front and realistically would have overtaken them. But they really considered all the factors, knowing if they pit now, either Ferrari don’t pit Leclerc meaning Leclerc would come out behind them when he pits albeit on softs, or force them to pit now knowing that with the number of laps left and already using both medium compounds, they couldn’t go soft unless they wanted to pit twice, only leaving the hards. It shows an incredible level of thinking beyond anything that Ferrari have shown, who really should have preempted it by sending both cars on the softs on the second stint which would have eliminated that move from Max.
Great drive by Max. The PU change looked like a great decision given how he was flying the entire race except for the sudden loss of talent after changing to mids.
It's kinda suprising Ferrari manage to turn up at the right tracks at the right time with this management in place.
Steadily improving mercs might actually make them 3rd at the end of the season
It's kinda suprising Ferrari manage to turn up at the right tracks at the right time with this management in place.
Steadily improving mercs might actually make them 3rd at the end of the season
Maddest race of the year that.
What an unbelievable drive by Max. Even without the Ferrari feck up for Leclerc he would have got second. Unbelievable.
Great drive by Russell and Lewis as well.
Right on Ferrari's heels in the constructors.
Perez needs to improve big time after summer but atleast he held off Charles at the end.
What an unbelievable drive by Max. Even without the Ferrari feck up for Leclerc he would have got second. Unbelievable.
Great drive by Russell and Lewis as well.
Right on Ferrari's heels in the constructors.
Perez needs to improve big time after summer but atleast he held off Charles at the end.
Leclerc must be totally fuming. This is the 4th time that he has lost a race win because of Ferrari strategy this season.
Ferrari seem to want to make sure he doesn't win the title. His mediums in the second stint were used less than Hamilton's softs in the last stint. What were they thinking pitting him then and putting him on hards.
He was miles ahead of everyone on pace. It's like Ferrari said - you are lapping a .5 second or so faster than everyone else. Let me put you on hards and make it 1 sec a lap slower. How's that for a challenge!
Ferrari seem to want to make sure he doesn't win the title. His mediums in the second stint were used less than Hamilton's softs in the last stint. What were they thinking pitting him then and putting him on hards.
He was miles ahead of everyone on pace. It's like Ferrari said - you are lapping a .5 second or so faster than everyone else. Let me put you on hards and make it 1 sec a lap slower. How's that for a challenge!
Jesus Christ Ferrari.
Like seriously??
That might be one of the worst strategy calls in years.
Still trying to figure out what they were thinking.
Like seriously??
That might be one of the worst strategy calls in years.
Still trying to figure out what they were thinking.
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Between reliability, then in the races where they don’t fail, awful strategy, and then in those races where neither of those things (which is rare) happen, driver error, how many truly clean races have they had this year?
Of course there's no rain during the race but the moment I get off the train in Budapest and try to get home, it's raining all over the city. Typical.
Race of the year for me. Max was unbelievable, Lewis needed another 10 laps and it was his for the taking. Shame for Russell but he will get his chance.
Less said about Ferrari the better
Less said about Ferrari the better
To be fair he was getting 2nd from 10th regardless of the Ferrari feck up so think he is driver of the day.
Lewis close second in best drive for 7th to 2nd
Tyre difference/advantage probably maybe would have started to fall off by then.
Mediums versus softs with what 10 lap difference? The best off the softs was already worn of
I thought it was reasonably boring to be honest. Max was a clear cut winner from the second Ferrari decided on hards. Sky did there best to make it seem interesting with the rain when it wasn’t really there. It doesn’t touch Silverstone
Can Lewis win a race this year to extend his record of a win every season?
I have to agree, I did enjoy the race, also agree Sliverstone was better.
Hard to tell. Lewis was almost a second a lap faster running into it. You may be right that when he got into overtaking territory that the degradation would have fallen off a steep cliff.
It was the 2nd to 6th fight that I found fascinating. RB and Max got it spot on on the day for 1st so it was a foregone conclusion. Seeing Ferrari implode yet again was just painful to see but great to see the Mercs competing properly this race
On raw pace alone it’ll be tough. But RB aren’t completely clean reliability wise andFerrari are, well, Ferrari, so he may well get a chance or two if the stars align.
All a bit of a mute argument really because Max’s tyres would also have fallen off, but most likely is that neither would have eeked 10 more laps out of their tyres.
Like I said, hard to tell. Lewis was fighting to get into 2nd and that may have led to having no grip in another 10 laps, but good to see he had the pace and could have challenged
Max the KING. What an unstoppable talent.
Like I said, Ferrari aren’t going to win anything with Binotto as their team principal.
He’s fecking clown who forced out Arrivabene and Ferrari went from second best to fecking hopeless in strategy
He’s fecking clown who forced out Arrivabene and Ferrari went from second best to fecking hopeless in strategy
Yeah that's what I'm saying both of their tyres probably would have been shot
I said a while ago that I would do anything for two clean races in a row but I don’t know what I was thinking, I have a better shot at marrying a 23-year old Ana De Armas than for that to happen.
Like I said, Ferrari aren’t going to win anything with Binotto as their team principal.
He’s fecking clown who forced out Arrivabene and Ferrari went from second best to fecking hopeless in strategy
At least under Arrivaberne Ferrari looked genuine on pace for championship untill Vettel's self implode at Germany 2018.
Horner and Max saying they were going to start on hards but changed their minds after the lap to the grid.
Ferrari had half a race and several other cars on the hard tyre to analyse.
Ferrari had half a race and several other cars on the hard tyre to analyse.
The way they're going at the minute and the way the car is headed I think it's definitely on the cards, although he might just get a fortunate one out of the blue.
To be fair it was also because Binotto was doing what he was good at during that time.
He’s an engineer by training, should stick to being their CTO instead of wasting his drivers careers.
Ferrari need less Italians in the team it seems, they only win when they do that. Lauda came in and tore up the culture and then Schumacher, Brawn, Byrne and Todt did the same. Binotto will get hounded out and rightly so but it needs to be a wholesale change I think so unless they make a massive move for Toto or Horner perhaps and some of their support staff/structure I'm not sure it'll matter.
It's astonishing really how bad they usually are throughout their history given all the advantages they have. Pathetic team.
It's astonishing really how bad they usually are throughout their history given all the advantages they have. Pathetic team.
He is part of the problem too because he can't dictate a strategy. He just follows their orders like sheep and doesnt challenge their decisions. The likes of Hamilton overrule their team if they feel its required. It's the drivers responsibility to communicate.
Ferrari are run badly but they need a quick driver that has a picture of the race. Sainz does it occasionally but isn't quick enough.
I have said all season he will get a win, still think it will be because of DNFs or like today vad strategy.
Both Mercedes have decent speed but not there yet.
We really won’t see if Leclerc is just a rapid, talented driver, or one capable of truly challenging for a world title, until next year. He is inexperienced in terms of a title fight, the keys i am looking for is how he improves over the second half of the season. This title is lost for sure.
What a stupid take. How is he supposed to know that Magnussen, Alonso and Ocon have looked like bambi on ice on hards somewhere in the midfield?
The team have that information and they've fecked it.
3 things are certain in life.
Death
Taxes
And Ferrari bodging a race strategy
Death
Taxes
And Ferrari bodging a race strategy
Lewis and Max would ask if they didn't have that information.
Maybe, and they'd have been fobbed off by the team with half a story in the same way Leclerc probably was. There's just no way to pin that call on the driver.
Nobody forced him to come in without asking questions. He said he was quick on the mediums and should have voiced that to the team. Why would you voluntarily drop a set of working tires while having good speed?
Leclerc is fast but he isn't vocal that's my issue. Also it doesn't take a genius to realize that you wouldn't be able to switch the hard tyres on in cold weather.
They cocked up from the start. Should have split tyre strategy on the grid to cover off verstappen. One on MED, other on SOFTS. But they didnt do that.
Then it was cock up after cock up. I'm really surprised someone hasnt been fired already.
Its a real shame as im indifferent to who wins the WDC this year, i wanted it to go to the wire. Unfortunately 2 of the next 3 races have very very long straights, which will suit the RB. So i wouldnt be suprised if max won the next three races in the trot after the summer break (spa, dutch and monza).
If Ferrari had the strategists of RB or Merc they would be coasting the championship. It’s disgusting how poor they are for a so called ‘top’ team.
I think they will one, probably after the championship has been decided. I'd guess singapore, brasil or abu dhabi would be the best bets personally for a win.
As others said it might be a victory via dnf or strategy. Alot depends on how Mercedes are at Spa.