F1 2022 Season
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already is, he drove mclaren mercedes back in the day.
He's done Mercedes, Ferrari, Honda, Renault now.
No worries mate, all is good.
What about K Mag. I think he has already done it before Alonso. Correct me if I am wrong.
This articlein May already hinted at Alonso move to AM.
https://www.gptoday.net/nl/nieuws/f...l-door-alonso-bij-aston-martin-worden-sterker
https://www.gptoday.net/nl/nieuws/f...l-door-alonso-bij-aston-martin-worden-sterker
If McLaren really think Ricciardo is doing that bad of a job, which I believe he is, then they'll pull the plug and pay what they have to. A team aspiring to fight for 4th, or higher, cannot have a driver doing so badly, its fighting with one hand behind your back.
A more full quote is below. Doesn't seem unreasonable to me. It was a 60/40 racing incident where the stewards found Lewis to be slightly more at fault. Max drives too aggressive when fighting for position and Lewis had backed out every other time until Silverstone.
“There wasn’t a lot of feeling of remorse on our side,” Express reports him as having said in Sky Sports F1’s 2021 documentary ‘Duel’.
“Lewis has given up corners much more often before where he shouldn’t have.
“If you’re sitting in the hospital shaken by a big impact, you’re not going to understand that the other team is cheering for their driver.
“But it was his home race, a massive swing to our advantage in terms of points, and we knew that Max was okay.”
https://www.planetf1.com/news/toto-wolff-max-verstappen-british-gp-crash/
He also had an "asiatec" engine - a rebranded Peugot in his debut season at Minadri as well I think
Though the majority of his career has been with a renault engine I think
He also has driven a merc powered car before his move to Aston in 2007 when he was with mclaren who were merc powered at the time
It was not 60 40 at all but ok. Hell just look at how properly Lewis took the corner this year to see the difference in why it happened.
Silverstone didn't require Lewis to back out at all. It just required him to take the corner well, which he didn't. And truthfully that's ok as shit happens but them pretending it wasn't Lewis fault and Max deserved it was the ridiculous thing.
Toto's DTS comments where way worse as well.
I’m not really sure what point you’re making. A bizarre incident to bring up if trying to show how Toto is worse than Horner, when Horner basically said Hamilton did it on purpose and Max could have died. He said some other stuff too. All to smear Hamilton as an incompetent reckless driver when we all know that just isn’t true. The crash occurred simply because Lewis didn’t make the apex. Yes other drivers would have given Hamilton more room than Max (and so the debate really wasn’t around whether Max takes blame but about whether Max should be thinking about the bigger picture - a worthy debate because I don’t think the Max of this year would pinch Hamilton as tightly this year knowing that the only driver who will lose out if things go wrong in that situation is the guy on the outside) but was still Hamilton’s fault ultimately. But to say it was on purpose was all a bit off really.
I don’t really care who is or isn’t considered worse, but you really do struggle to look at all things related to RB objectively, and it’s a consistent theme in all of your posts.
I was never saying Toto is worse in general. But that specific comment about someone deserving to be crashed out to learn a lesson is horrible. Ive consistently said they all objectively are hypocrites and talk absolute shite.
But yeah the DTS comments from Toto saying someone deserved a horrible crash is a terrible one.
Horner was wrong to say Hamilton did it in purpose but was correct in the statement that he was at fault. Hamilton went in too quick or broke too late etc and simply got it all very wrong in that corner.
So really no I don't struggle to look objectively since I criticise both Horner and Toto.
Leclerc left Hamilton a lot less space this year which shows the difference between this year and last was simply that Lewis didn't feck it up this time.
It was just a shame Lewis got 25 points gained for crashing out Max is all. Not deserved but it happens in racing.
I just don't subscribe to the idea Horner is terrible and Toto is great or in any way better is all. As I said they all talk an extreme amount of shite.
It's similar to football really. Everyone's tribal to a fault mate.
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I get it. But we are focussing on one thing. I don’t think anyone is saying Toto is a saint but I do think it’s a valid opinion, even if you disagree, that Horner is the worst of the lot on the grid.
And I get the tribalism too. I just don’t like comments, such as the one in bold, which are clearly one sided, don’t even have relevance to the debate at hand, and are provided without context.
It’s like me finding a way to cram into a post how Max drove on Hamilton’s head, or Max brake checked Hamilton (see what I did there?
)I was never accusing Hamilton of anything other than fecking up a corner at Silverstone. My only issue with Hamilton and Silverstone now is that he was saying how Leclerc left him more space when in fact we can all see that wasn't true.I get it. But we are focussing on one thing. I don’t think anyone is saying Toto is a saint but I do think it’s a valid opinion, even if you disagree, that Horner is the worst of the lot on the grid.
And I get the tribalism too. I just don’t like comments, such as the one in bold, which are clearly one sided, don’t even have relevance to the debate at hand, and are provided without context.
It’s like me finding a way to cram into a post how Max drove on Hamilton’s head, or Max brake checked Hamilton (see what I did there?
It's racing though it happens. Least with the ones your mentioned it had less of an effect points wise.
And thankfully in that incident Horner wasn't going around saying Lewis deserved to have a car landed on him Sausage kerb was the big problem there as we all know. Compounded what would have been minor or no contact into a big incident.
I personally think who's worse changes on the day depending what happened to them.
Even take Abu Dhabi before we get to Masi incident we have Toto pleading/moaning for no saftey car early on (ridiculous as it for Saftey) and then Red bull and Horner doing the same/similar later.
Really I don't blame either to be honest. It's expected in elite sport and usually the media are what drums up the real issue by exaggerating and or taking stuff out of context constantly. And that then riles up the respective fans
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Why are we slowly but surely sliding to dick swinging between Verstappen and Hamilton when we should all be dumping on Ferrari letting Red bull run away with it.
Because people never really got over Abu Dhabi and its going to be like that for a while.
Lewis and Max are easily the best drivers on the grid. Why is it so hard for people to appreciate both? You take one of them out and F1 would've been a snoozefest past couple seasons.
They have moved on from last year.
Besides the obvious, the devil inside of me really wants to see Schumacher at Ferrari to watch the power dynamics… especially if he performs. Probably the most powerful name associated with that brand other than Ferrari or Agnelli family.
Masi moved on as well.They have moved on from last year.
Very true but until we have a car that can match RB I’m happy if he has DNF
Abu Dhabi will be put to rest when hamilton gets title number 8 and not before that.
Though i think the Abu Dhabi fiasco has extended his stay in f1. I think he may have retired if he had gotten no 8.
Because the Ferrari slip ups were inevitable.
And last season was one of the biggest stains on the sport for many years.
Ferrari will get stronger in the second half of the season as the pressure of a championship falls away and their indecision around managing Leclerc and Sainz won't matter.
Ferrari are fast, Leclerc has shown he can handle Max and Lewis. This race all 6 cars finished within 15 seconds - there could be some epic racing to come.
Ferrari are fast, Leclerc has shown he can handle Max and Lewis. This race all 6 cars finished within 15 seconds - there could be some epic racing to come.
Great picture but surely the best thing about it is the FerrariThey have moved on from last year.
No, why would they? There was a chance for a Brititsh driver to cement his position as the GOAT and was robbed by an out of control official who was ultimately fired because of it. You expect people to just shrug and move on?
Also, in relation to the discussion in this thread, the total lack of grace and class from Horner is noteworthy here. He could easily have come out after Abu Dhabi and said "you know what, we were lucky there with the way the rules were interpretted". It wouldn't have effected the result, Max would still be champion and history is littered with people holding their hands up when they've benefitted from dodgy decisions, but that kind of behaviour is beyond him.
Clearest indication that Hamilton hates Verstappen and doesn't want his champagne to touch him but nice to see Hamilton on the podium, well deserved.They have moved on from last year.
Keep the GOAT pish to American sports. There is no F1 GOAT, and never will be unless it becomes a spec series.
The same is true of all sports in all ways. Its always a judgement call ultimately backed up by stats and informed analysis.
I think blaming Masi entirely is harsh. He got some split second decisions wrong. I’d really blame the race stewards who came up with some absolute nonsense to reject Mercedes’ protest, which can only have been because they didn’t want to have to change the result. That seems to get overlooked and is a far greater issue in my eyes than one guy doing his best and making an error.
Was it really a split second decision to only allow 3 of the lapped cars to pass the safety car?
I was watching it live and there was plenty of time for him to think about it before he made that unbelievable decision.
F1 is a multi billion pounds sport and you simply cannot be allowed to make such unsupportable decisions with impunity.
He was rightly sanctioned and F1 is a much better sport without him.
I was watching it live and there was plenty of time for him to think about it before he made that unbelievable decision.
F1 is a multi billion pounds sport and you simply cannot be allowed to make such unsupportable decisions with impunity.
He was rightly sanctioned and F1 is a much better sport without him.
Sort of funny that they have put it in the past and genuinely seem fine with eachother now, yet the fans have built up this raging rivalry that shows no signs of stopping.They have moved on from last year.
I'm glad that 1 of them aren't in a position to carry on this saga, it was getting far too toxic. Another season of them going toe to toe would have been crazy.
From Ted Kravitz Skyf1 column about Alonso move to AM:
I think its far fetched, but it doesn raise a interesting point. If hamilton retired end of this season or next season. Who would Mercedes replace him with? They'd need a experienced benchmark driver (russell doesn't have the experience at present). So the only choices would be Max (not possible as he signed a new RB deal) and Alonso.
".......Is Mercedes power a factor in the deal?
Ted: "What it also does do is reunite Fernando with the Mercedes engine family, which I think is an interesting angle. Fernando hasn't been powered by Mercedes since he left McLaren the first time round under a bit of a cloud 15 years ago.
"So this would have needed a sign-off from Toto Wolff, which it obviously got.
"Is it ridiculous to think that Mercedes wanted Fernando back in their family just to see what he was like?...."
I think its far fetched, but it doesn raise a interesting point. If hamilton retired end of this season or next season. Who would Mercedes replace him with? They'd need a experienced benchmark driver (russell doesn't have the experience at present). So the only choices would be Max (not possible as he signed a new RB deal) and Alonso.
".......Is Mercedes power a factor in the deal?
Ted: "What it also does do is reunite Fernando with the Mercedes engine family, which I think is an interesting angle. Fernando hasn't been powered by Mercedes since he left McLaren the first time round under a bit of a cloud 15 years ago.
"So this would have needed a sign-off from Toto Wolff, which it obviously got.
"Is it ridiculous to think that Mercedes wanted Fernando back in their family just to see what he was like?...."
Long story short: Alpine have potentially fumbled Piastri going to McLaren because they didn't think Alonso would leave. Mark Webber has been making moves for his driver it seems...Tweet
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Don't think it would make sense for Merc They will probably try to get Norris if Ham retired.
I think your missing the point ted is making. To replace Hamilton, you'd want a experienced driver who has won WDC before, who can help develop the car and provide seasoned feedback to the team. Alonso is one of the best of his generation and still on the grid.
Lando is young and inexperienced at that level just like russell.
Anyway, i think its all mute anyway as i dont see Hamilton leaving in next few season until he gets justice and wdc title no8.
Alpine backed themselves into a corner really, they were happy to leave him benched until it suited them. Now Alonso has gone behind their backs they're suddenly desperate to keep him.
Maybe they can take Ricciardo back
5 lapped cars. And of course there was no time, if the accident was cleared at the start of the penultimate lap, and you're deciding whether to end under safety car or pass the lapped cars and order the safety car in, which was decided less than half way into the lap, that's what, 30 seconds?
So why not just stick with the established rules?
Honda and Red Bull have announced an extension to their power unit support deal that will see them continue their relationship until the end of 2025.
Honda withdrew from Formula 1 at the end of 2021, having powered Red Bull’s Max Verstappen to his maiden Formula 1 World Championship. Red Bull Powertrains – a new company set up by the Austrian outfit – then took over the Honda engine IP, but with help from the Japanese company under a support agreement. They are currently leading both championships with Red Bull, while the power units also power the AlphaTauri team.
Honda and Red Bull extend power unit support deal until 2025 | Formula 1®
Honda withdrew from Formula 1 at the end of 2021, having powered Red Bull’s Max Verstappen to his maiden Formula 1 World Championship. Red Bull Powertrains – a new company set up by the Austrian outfit – then took over the Honda engine IP, but with help from the Japanese company under a support agreement. They are currently leading both championships with Red Bull, while the power units also power the AlphaTauri team.
Honda and Red Bull extend power unit support deal until 2025 | Formula 1®
Oh, he obviously made a horrible error of judgment and failed to follow the rules, so was rightly sacked. Its just easy to use him as a convenient scapegoat though, when there were other subsequent failings which arguably could have put right his errors.