I'm fairly positive that Erik has realised that already.
I would be quite suprised to see him start against Liverpool.
And any remaining game after that, unless any of the trio Varane, Martinez, Lindelof get injured.
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I would be quite suprised to see him start against Liverpool.
And any remaining game after that, unless any of the trio Varane, Martinez, Lindelof get injured.
I'm not a big De Gea fan but there was absolutely nothing wrong with the pass he gave Erikson. Erikson f***ed it up. That's a pass that happens several times in a match with the idea being that you pass it wide with your first touch.
So many people moan about Maguire being captain as if he picked himself for the job. But let's pretend that ETH did take the armband away from him. Who out of this lot of players would you suggest to be an upgrade?
Was reading an article on how bad our decision-making is when it comes to passing. Often choosing the wrong pass time after time. Anyway, this scenario came up again and I know it was something that was debated on here the other day so I thought I would share some stills:
In the United build-up sequence that precedes Brentford’s second goal, Dalot is moving inside to provide a passing option for Maguire, with Brentford striker Ivan Toney signaling his team-mates to pick him up:
But every other Brentford player is occupied and Jensen — whose space Dalot is attacking — is marking Eriksen. Logically, the pass Maguire has to play is the one to Dalot. Even Eriksen is signaling for it:
But Maguire waits for three seconds, long enough for Toney to block off the passing lane himself and move towards the United defender. To make things even worse, Maguire then plays a ball to the marked Eriksen:
And when Eriksen tries to then find Dalot, Jensen already knows where the free United player is, so he adjusts his pressing angle accordingly:
In the United build-up sequence that precedes Brentford’s second goal, Dalot is moving inside to provide a passing option for Maguire, with Brentford striker Ivan Toney signaling his team-mates to pick him up:
But every other Brentford player is occupied and Jensen — whose space Dalot is attacking — is marking Eriksen. Logically, the pass Maguire has to play is the one to Dalot. Even Eriksen is signaling for it:
But Maguire waits for three seconds, long enough for Toney to block off the passing lane himself and move towards the United defender. To make things even worse, Maguire then plays a ball to the marked Eriksen:
And when Eriksen tries to then find Dalot, Jensen already knows where the free United player is, so he adjusts his pressing angle accordingly:
DDG underhit the pass. And the intent is too obvious, easy to read; Jensen had a early start with his run. With that early start, Jensen was able to run all the way from behind Eriksen's right side, then ended up to Eriksen's left almost on same footing, despite the fact that Eriksen also running toward our goal to receive the pass.
It's a bad choice to begin with. Both DDG and ETH admitted as much in their post match.
Eriksen actually tried to pass it wide first time, but under pressure miscued and the ball ricocheted between his leg.
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I read the same article and it's all well and good as long as Toney is a statue who can't move half a step to the side to intercept a ball played from 12 yards away.
Not just that, people who actually think the reason we lose games is because Maguire is captain are just naïve imo.
Do people think that a different captain would mean DDG would have saved the goals? Or would we pass the ball better under a different captain? or would we run more?
I feel this captain thing is bigger than its portrayed.
Yeah Eriksen def could have done better but DDG should’ve never player it to him in the first place, should’ve just gone long.
Maguire was bad in that game, but so was everyone else so I’m not going to just take a crap on him. I also was horrified by Martinez’s performance so while I want to say we should bench him for the liverpool game, I don’t know if we can after that. Its a mess of a situation.
I don't like this sorta analysis that uses pictures and treats a football game as static thing. Its so easy to use to find evidence to fit conclusions you've already made. And its not even about just Maguire.
But when you see the video of it, there's a time when the pass is on. But he waits too long. The gap was there, but closed up
In the video, you can see that the pass was on for about 2-3 seconds before the gap closed up. That's the point. He took too long
The problem is this guy just lacks pace and athleticism, attributes needed to play a high line for a top club. Needs to be dropped.
Classic Maguire blindfolds.
Everyone around him is shit but Maguire has been “ok”. Maguire is far from ok, he’s been just as shit.
Just a thought - ETH doesn’t feel like the team is executing his plans on the field. RR basically said the same. Could it have something to do with our captain
No, it couldn't possibly be. Maguire is world class, as both a defender and a captain.
I joke, but that's what one would assume given the amount of game time he gets under our last 3 managers.
He's clearly one of a number of huge problems at this club and stripping him of the captaincy and dropping him so we can play two mobile center backs, would be a start to moving this club forward. But again we'll probably see him keep his place and remain captain until another manager bites the dust. It's painful to watch and absolutely baffling why Ole, Rangnick and Ten Hag all sabotage themselves by keeping Maguire in the side. The same can be said for playing Rashford and one or two others.
I thought the same until I saw the replay at a different angle which showed the attacker already ahead of Erikson and the probability of him reaching a passed ball first declining very quickly, each second. He won it but was in a position where he had no control. You can see De Gea has not looked up to see what is ahead of him or even an easier ball which was a lob to the right where Dalot was. It was pathetic from him, but I equally wouldn't ease Erikson off the pressure because his starting position was so bad and was easily beaten by the Brentford player and the desire to win the ball was pathetic.
Erikson messes up the pass. He passes it and hits his other foot. Again, this pass is made numerous times every game. Erikson got caught on the same pass earlier from Maguire when he tried to take a touch first. Problem is Erikson isn't a DM and shouldn't be playing there. Like I said, I'm not even close to being a fan of De Gea's but I'm also not going to scapegoat him for mistakes other players made...
The captaincy means more to the fans than the players. Leaders are going to lead whether they are wearing the armband or not. Funny how I never heard a single person complain when Valencia was our captain and he could barely speak English...
one big part of our squad is that there’s literally no one else that’s suitable to be the captain that Maguire gets it by default because he can stay healthy which is probably why he’s not dropped yet.
i just dont understand the idea that maguire is a good passer of the ball. Feel like he constantly takes forever to get rid of the ball. Idk maybe im just missing something
“Harry has proved it in the past, but he has also to prove it in the present and in the future. I will support him everywhere I can. In the end, he has to do it by himself, and he has the qualities to do it. But there is also internal competition and that is what a club like United needs. You cannot win with 11 players.”
If you can believe ETH’s words above, if Maguire doesn’t buck he will be dropped. Eth has put the onus on Maguire, rightly so, and if Maguire doesn’t perform, he has no excuses. We can only hope that ETH remains decisive and doesn’t delay his decision when it comes to it.
If you can believe ETH’s words above, if Maguire doesn’t buck he will be dropped. Eth has put the onus on Maguire, rightly so, and if Maguire doesn’t perform, he has no excuses. We can only hope that ETH remains decisive and doesn’t delay his decision when it comes to it.
No the fault here is firmly on Maguire and De Gea, who both did the opposite of what the coach asked them to. Ten hag outlined that the idea was to invite opposite players in (which Eriksen did) and then play long, which of course Maguire and De Gea didn't.
They directly went against the gameplan.
Bruno would make a good captain.
Maguire does one good thing in his passing, and that is the occasional diagonal ball that switches play to the other flank. All he has to do is get his foot under it and give it a medium whack, but it's effective. The thing he does that drives me insane is he taps the ball at little and thinks ? he's going to fake out the player trying to get the ball off him, he'll move a little (but not enough) off his passing angle, and then he'll hold the ball a beat or two too long before playing the same simple pass to another defender (usually Lindelof) that he could have played before doing any of that, and which would have helped develop the attack. Instead, someone like Lindelof or Shaw receives the ball right as all of their options are also closed down, and it goes back to DeGea.
Only if Ronaldo leaves.
Surely it would have been Mike Phelan who pushed for his signing, given the Hull connection?
And Jose
How would a play who constantly gives the ball away, rolls around on the floor and whinges all game make a good captain? His starting place should be hanging by a thread.
Beckenbauer would be crap in front of De Gea whilst defending behind Mctominay.
Possibly. Whenever we’re “linked” to a player I always assume it’s initiated by the selling club or the player’s agent. Apparently Pep wanted him as well.
Yep, people calling for him to be stripped etc... then have no one they say that can be captain.. makes alot of sense that doesn't it?
If you are a leader in the dressing room, you do not need to be named captain to show leadership.
Its just a stick to beat Maguire with really.
Thrice every game Maguire will either head or boot a long ball out into touch or the opposition player even when there's no one pressing him, on occasions when he tries to bring it down, his touch is so bad that he then gets closed and has to either go back to the keeper or clear it out or give it to the opposition anyway.
I find myself screaming at the tele every time this happens.
I find myself screaming at the tele every time this happens.
Can you please show me stats of defenders who have 100% passing short and long please?
Secondly, I can count numerous times when attackers mis control the ball, pass badly, dont hit the target, make the wrong decisions.
It's basically an incomplete methodology, one even Maguire used to do a lot in his earlier career and here before he completely lost his nerve and confidence. Prod and stab the ball: draw players to it and then either drive into vacant space or lay off to another player having then giving them a lot more space and time to operate in.
Two things were initially at work that reduced Maguire's aptitude with this: others around him, particularly midfielders in front, not showing for the ball immediately, ultimately leaving him with more and more responsibility to do something with the ball in lieu of that basic support, which so often saw him go long because other options ensured they weren't on.
The second thing has been his own mistakes, which have left him doubting and second-guessing himself to the point we now see how crippling the thought processes have become im his head where he essentially goes into temporary stasis and looks terrified as he's being closed down and has real time decisions to make - the Dalot incident being one of countless others where this leads to absolute chaos and unsettling everyone around him as they have no idea when the next brainfart is coming.
The inability to think and adjust on the hop, with and without the ball, is one of his biggest failings and should ultimately be his downfall if ten Hag is still here in a season or two.
Unfortunately for Maguire, I think he's FUBAR'd by now, and the progressive player he came here as, which was supposed to be built upon, has been completely consumed by self-doubt and fragility. He's a broken man who doesn't believe in himself anymore let alone have the ability to instill confidence in literally anyone around him.
It's a misery compounded because our keeper has similarly become a shell of himself, so you've got two flappers back there in absolutely crucial positions through the spine of the team. In fact, as spines go, ours, straight through qualifies us as some kind of invertebrate as it can't even hold itself up let alone a team.
It's a fragility every single team in the league knows to attack; just get amongst us; someone will flap and make mistakes, 100% guaranteed.
I get more mad at the decision making than anything else, I extended that rant but if he tries to bring it down and tries to start a play, I'd be okay even if he fails at it. But he heads it back into a random space which annoys me more than anything else.
If that's your major criticism of Maguire then get over it FFS !!
I find myself defending Maguire on here alot amidst the torrents of abuse he receives, most of which is personal and uncalled for.
He is a centre half, he wasnt bought for his searing pace, brilliant reading of the game and progressive football. He was a old fashioned centre back, good in the air, physical and always good against us in defensive teams, whether it be for Sheff Utd in the youth cup, Hull or Leicester. Ole bought him to play in a counter attacking team and to sit back, which was ideal for Maguire to be part of.
The price tag was too high, but this was not his choice, he was made captain and up until Ole rushed him back against leicester last season was a steadying influence for us with the occasional feck up like any player has.
The abuse he got after the Leicester game snowballed and he became an easy target, no wonder his confidence was shattered, he never recovered. Idiots were even blaming him for goals conceded when he wasnt even on the pitch.....Agree he didnt help himself gesturing on England duty but that was his way of hitting back at the critics who hound him daily.
Im not gonna sit here and say he is a great captain, he is clearly not, but who else is there? Please dont tell me the petulant underperforming Bruno is, or CR7 who so desperately wants to leave us. The social media stuff he psots is managed by the club, the club push this and he is the captain... so he has to comment..again some of these comments after bad results havent helped.
As a centre half myself who played at a good level, I watch Maguire and see he has zero defensive protection in front of him and poor full backs either side. He doesnt struggle with England when there are better players around him. He was superb in the euros and made team of the tournament.... as a team we are so easy to get at from an attacking point of view, easiest team to play against in the league say neville and other pundits.
Fast forward to today, so many fans whether it be fan channels or social media followers have daggers out for him before a single ball was kicked. I thought he was one of the better performers against Brighton and was poor against Brentford like all 12 or 13 of his team mates, but he wasnt the worst..... but again he is being singled out unfairly.....
Semantics…the fact is he's a waste of £8m never mind £80m. Doubt he will ever be sold, the idiots in charge don’t want to admit they bought a fraud an no chance we get even half the fee back
He doesn't struggle because Southgate plays 6 other defensive players with him.
There's no way he could struggle in that setup against mostly weaker teams.
I agree that he gets little to no protection and very little backup from his keeper which gives him a massive amount of ground to try and cover.
But do you not think. If the guys in around him, in front or to the sides of him aren't doing their jobs right as captain and main centre back he should be organising and controlling all that? Making sure the cover is there, telling people what to do out there on the pitch.
The way I see it is that he can't and doesn't because he has absolutely no leadership or authority about him at all, he commands zero respect from those around him. For me that is one of his biggest flaws.
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