Queen Elizabeth II | 1926-2022 | Rest in Peace

[Cascarino]

I suppose with a hereditary monarchy at least everyone knows who's coming next. You know it's someone who understands how the job works, if nothing else.

That's a good point, there is something to be said for having a set pattern of succession, and no chance of surprises.
I think a negative to that though is it being a role for life, with a monarchy you could have a very unsavoury character and it would a permanent thing until his death. At least with an elected official it is a finite function with mechanisms in place to choose someone else.

 

[oates]

Nothing says "togetherness" like someone belly marching their way into a room and shouting "Shut up if you have anything bad to say". I genuinely understand why some of the drugged up alcoholics Scots up here have a problem with the Union, which only seems to be a union if nobody asks for something to change.

Yes, we've all heard down South of the Air Fat Fryers riots of 2021.

Unity if not Union brother.

 

[Penna]

That's a good point, there is something to be said for having a set pattern of succession, and no chance of surprises.
I think a negative to that though is it being a role for life, with a monarchy you could have a very unsavoury character and it would a permanent thing until his death. At least with an elected official it is a finite function with mechanisms in place to choose someone else.

You'd hope that nowadays the main Royals are savvy enough to realise that someone who messed it up would put them all at risk. I'm pretty sure that if you're born a member of that family (particularly one who'll never have to actually be the monarch), you soon grow to love all the perks and benefits.

People are fickle. The Queen didn't put a foot wrong and so she was respected and admired by many, but the tabloids would go to town on a less-than-perfect monarch. Look at the coverage the leaky pen incident had - immediately there were comparisons being made with the Queen, who never showed irritation in that way.

 

[MoskvaRed]

Probably a bad time for that poll. Plus, I imagine that, when asked that question, people always imagine prominent polticians/PMs as president rather than thinking about the types Ireland has had as head of state.

 

[Fully Fledged]

Spoiler

Can somebody tell what is wrong with that dress? I'm not a fan of BJ but having a go at his wife just because her dress isn't buttoned up to the neck is just baffling.

 

[Mr Pigeon]

Spoiler

Can somebody tell what is wrong with that dress? I'm not a fan of BJ but having a go at his wife just because her dress isn't buttoned up to the neck is just baffling.

The only problem I see with that dress is that it's got a piece of shit hanging off to the left hand side of it there.

 

[Fully Fledged]

The only problem I see with that dress is that it's got a piece of shit hanging off to the left hand side of it there.

We agree on that.

 

[P-Ro]

Can we go back to mourning please?

 

[Pexbo]

Probably a bad time for that poll. Plus, I imagine that, when asked that question, people always imagine prominent polticians/PMs as president rather than thinking about the types Ireland has had as head of state.

It’s why these polls can’t be taken seriously. They’re always run off the back of a massive parade and media campaign that’s just spent weeks indoctrinating the country.

I didn’t see YouGov running these polls after the Andrew / Maitlis interview.

 

[P-Ro]

Spoiler

Can somebody tell what is wrong with that dress? I'm not a fan of BJ but having a go at his wife just because her dress isn't buttoned up to the neck is just baffling.

The main problem with that dress is that it's so low hanging and yet there's no cleavage in sight. It's like Ying & Yang, you can't have one without the other.

 

[RedSky]

I'm impressed you managed to spell most of that correctly, doubly so because you were probably munching on a pastie at the time.

Also "toxic" comments whilst telling citizens to feck off out of the country? You can feck off

He can buy me a boat and I'll head over to South Korea for a bit and escape this shit show of a country.

 

[711]

I still don't understand that logic. I could just as easily point out "King Andrew"

I think there's a fair number of people that aren't particularly royalist but back what seems to be working best in practice. The answer to 'King Andrew' is very easy, it would be the end of the monarchy as we know it, if something like that should happen.

 

[P-Ro]

I have to thank @2cents for this post:




because it makes for fascinating reading and eloquently explains the relatively recent origins of all of this pomp and ceremony that so many of you are moaning about. I highly recommend that you make the effort to read the extract as it also gives us some insights into why the monarchy has been able to survive in its present form for over a century.

I've been in London a few months now and have been able to experience these historic events and like many of you have questioned the need for a monarchy in this day and age. With so many problems facing us, the idea of a fabulously wealthy dynasty swanning about in limousines cutting ribbons and being bowed to does seem daft and indefensible given the problems facing some of us to even heat our homes and feed our families. But that mostly boils down to money issues that I think will be dealt with in the coming years anyway. Charles seems to want to trim the fat in many ways and I think he realizes that their wealth has to be addressed. I don't see him being bothered with breeding horses so that will all go, and he's got a history of managing crown property in a more business-like fashion and I think he'll look at giving back some of the land and palaces. The government could easily pay for the needs of the less well-off if it chose to do so anyway, it isn't the fault of the Windsors that we have a shower of cnuts in power who care so little about the poor. Selling the Crown Jewels to try and pay heating bills would be a daft decision of short-termism that we would surely regret.

But, going back to the need for the Monarchy, I was struck by one particular passage in the above link where the author talked about the void left in Europe after most other nations got rid of their royals and aristocratic dynasties. Like it or not the Queen was a living embodiment of the national identity and it's clear from the response to her death that many of us still find that very important. In these times we need that stable, seemingly incorruptible figurehead with the world going to hell around us. Our political leaders are awful, not a single inspirational figure among them. They can't be trusted in anything they say or promise and we all know that they seek only to enrich themselves and their cronies. So in the extract, the quote is referring to Hitler and says' if we drop the trappings of monarchy in the gutter..., Germany has taught us some guttersnipe will pick them up'. It seems to be saying that if we dispense with the monarchy and all the archaic rituals, dress and ceremony that go along with it, some elected or unelected politician will happily come along and make up a whole bunch of new ones to exploit the void that would be left in order to exploit the people's need for an absolute leader who embodies national ideals and aspirations. As we know in Hitler's case it turned out horrifically and you may think that it could never happen here. But just look at America and what Trump did in a short space of time, Putin declaring himself leader for life, Italy becoming fascist, Bolsonaro...the list goes on. I'm quite certain that Boris Johnson would have acted as Trump did with demanding personal adulation and unflinching loyalty if he could have gotten away with it, seeking grand parades in his honour and suchlike. But the Queen always stood there, silently in the background, providing a check on the power of every Prime Minister. I can pretty much guarantee that every soldier, sailor and airman/woman that you saw yesterday, if ordered by the Queen to march on Parliament and arrest the government would have done so without hesitation...that's the kind of power that she silently wielded. The same power that she had over most Britons who looked to her as being above politics and simply representing us but all the while shrewdly adapting to the changing times over the course of her long reign. If we lose that we lose a big part of our shared identity and the danger of some unscrupulous politician coming along and exploiting that need to coalesce around something scares me. I think Charles still has the strength to resist and commands enough respect to remain somewhat significant in national politics, but William will be the one they eventually target. I even think the loudest voices for abolishing the monarchy will come from the right since they now solely represent corporations, landowners and other moneyed interests who want unquestioning consumers loyal only to brands rather than a King.

I've seen how bad things get after 20 years in the USA. Everything decided along political lines and an inability to agree on anything. Dumbification, drowning in cheap consumer crap designed to pacify, people being fed food laced with legal poison to ensure that a monetized health service gets more and more money, for-profit education that makes people stupider and maintains the supply of service workers who toil while the true wealth goes to the select few. Britain is heading that way already and the loss of the monarchy will only speed that up. Yes it needs to be streamlined, yes we need to get rid of a lot of the bowing and scraping, but we do need them to maintain the status quo and prevent runaway political power from dragging us irreversibly to the right. Cromwell's Parliament came about to represent the needs of the common man against the excesses of aristocratic privilege, nowadays I genuinely believe that the Royal Family cares more about ordinary people than anyone in power in Westminster. In return we agree to do the silly bowing and deference, but most of us don't actually believe that they are different from us...we just accept that we all have to play along for the institution to work. If we can all adapt it to function in the modern world then we'll be alright, getting rid of it is dangerous.

Anyway...that's my ramblings on this that you can pick apart as you please.

Hey Grinner. We've missed you.

 

[Roane]

For me the Queen coming onto the throne like she did helped her a lot. She was young and not under as much scrutiny as Charles has been or William inevitably will be, moreso than before.

I think her "surprise" position in becoming the queen probably had a lot to do with how she took on the role. She wasn't basically groomed into becoming Queen from birth so didn't have the arrogance I see in Charles and to a degree William.

Not sure this will help the monarchy long term and I do think they need to scale things down a lot. Comfortable without being excessive.

 

[Vidyoyo]

Ruffled a few feathers?

I don’t give a toss. You've got some weird Kent stating Kim Jong would do over prince Charles in a fight.

You think I'm actually arsed about the monarchy? I'm laughing at you while you're laughing at me.

Yesterday was a funeral and I hope to feck someone turns up at one of your loved ones and pisses in all your drinks.

Jeez. This is a bit much just because somebody doesn't agree with you.

 

[P-Ro]

Yesterday was a funeral and I hope to feck someone turns up at one of your loved ones and pisses in all your drinks.

He's a popular guy. You'd have to have a couple of lads to logistically get the job done.

 

[Mr Pigeon]

Ruffled a few feathers?

I don’t give a toss. You've got some weird Kent stating Kim Jong would do over prince Charles in a fight.

You think I'm actually arsed about the monarchy? I'm laughing at you while you're laughing at me.

Yesterday was a funeral and I hope to feck someone turns up at one of your loved ones and pisses in all your drinks.

"I know you are but what am I". Weak response but to be expected from your ranks. You're acting like a petulant child so get over yourself. I know you're probably angrier than usual because you can't bellow out your words vocally when it's in text form, so you should probably go and shout at whoever you usually do in real life when the only way you can win an argument is to hurl your gut around. Probably someone smaller and weaker than you because you seem the type. The thing I have in common with them is I also don't give a shit about you. Move along.

 

[rimaldo]

i have no idea what’s going on here and i have no intention of reading back and finding out, but if i have to take my top off and wrestle someone to defend pidgey’s honour, then i guess i’m all out of tops.

 

[Massive Spanner]

i have no idea what’s going on here and i have no intention of reading back and finding out, but if i have to take my top off and wrestle someone to defend pidgey’s honour, then i guess i’m all out of tops.

I have decided that mr pigeon is a dishonourable Cnut.

 

[rimaldo]

I have decided that mr pigeon is a dishonourable Cnut.

very correct, probably, and everyone is entitled to their opinion really.

 

[Massive Spanner]

very correct, probably, and everyone is entitled to their opinion really.

Wait, what? I’m all greased up here.

 

[rimaldo]

Wait, what? I’m all greased up here.

then it’s time to head to pound town. talk about pidgey like that again and i’ll lick you clean out.

 

[nimic]

Ruffled a few feathers?

I don’t give a toss. You've got some weird Kent stating Kim Jong would do over prince Charles in a fight.

You think I'm actually arsed about the monarchy? I'm laughing at you while you're laughing at me.

Yesterday was a funeral and I hope to feck someone turns up at one of your loved ones and pisses in all your drinks.

 

[P-Ro]

So the upper percentile of piss per go is 400ml. Let's assume that you want at least 50ml in every cup. If 50 people attended this funeral then @MIC_FIN would be hoping for at least 6 rogue urinators present to get the job done.

 

[rimaldo]

So the upper percentile of piss per go is 400ml. Let's assume that you want at least 50ml in every cup. If 50 people attended this funeral then @MIC_FIN would be hoping for at least 6 rogue urinators present to get the job done.

he could smuggle some in, in his cheeks, like a hamster.

 

[P-Ro]

he could smuggle some in, in his cheeks, like a hamster.

This is Scotland. You'd need to be body searched by a big bald bloke in a skirt to get in.

 

[The Corinthian]

Ruffled a few feathers?

I don’t give a toss. You've got some weird Kent stating Kim Jong would do over prince Charles in a fight.

You think I'm actually arsed about the monarchy? I'm laughing at you while you're laughing at me.

Yesterday was a funeral and I hope to feck someone turns up at one of your loved ones and pisses in all your drinks.

So unhinged.

 

[oates]

So the upper percentile of piss per go is 400ml. Let's assume that you want at least 50ml in every cup. If 50 people attended this funeral then @MIC_FIN would be hoping for at least 6 rogue urinators present to get the job done.

Is it true that some people will pay good money for piss P-Ro?

 

[P-Ro]

Is it true that some people will pay good money for piss P-Ro?

I was once charged 7 quid for a pint of Carling at a gig.

 

[horsechoker]

 

[Wibble]

I have both of my parents' ashes in separate boxes. If I really wanted to I could simultaneously get myself permabanned from the Caf and top Mockney's sofa/church/God is a cnut post. And thanks to the Queen I have a day off to make it as we have a public holiday to mourn on Thursday and I'm also taking the Friday off so distraught am I.

https://chaser.com.au/national/loca...ey-might-have-to-take-the-friday-off-as-well/

 

[Vidyoyo]

I have to thank @2cents for this post:




because it makes for fascinating reading and eloquently explains the relatively recent origins of all of this pomp and ceremony that so many of you are moaning about. I highly recommend that you make the effort to read the extract as it also gives us some insights into why the monarchy has been able to survive in its present form for over a century.

I've been in London a few months now and have been able to experience these historic events and like many of you have questioned the need for a monarchy in this day and age. With so many problems facing us, the idea of a fabulously wealthy dynasty swanning about in limousines cutting ribbons and being bowed to does seem daft and indefensible given the problems facing some of us to even heat our homes and feed our families. But that mostly boils down to money issues that I think will be dealt with in the coming years anyway. Charles seems to want to trim the fat in many ways and I think he realizes that their wealth has to be addressed. I don't see him being bothered with breeding horses so that will all go, and he's got a history of managing crown property in a more business-like fashion and I think he'll look at giving back some of the land and palaces. The government could easily pay for the needs of the less well-off if it chose to do so anyway, it isn't the fault of the Windsors that we have a shower of cnuts in power who care so little about the poor. Selling the Crown Jewels to try and pay heating bills would be a daft decision of short-termism that we would surely regret.

But, going back to the need for the Monarchy, I was struck by one particular passage in the above link where the author talked about the void left in Europe after most other nations got rid of their royals and aristocratic dynasties. Like it or not the Queen was a living embodiment of the national identity and it's clear from the response to her death that many of us still find that very important. In these times we need that stable, seemingly incorruptible figurehead with the world going to hell around us. Our political leaders are awful, not a single inspirational figure among them. They can't be trusted in anything they say or promise and we all know that they seek only to enrich themselves and their cronies. So in the extract, the quote is referring to Hitler and says' if we drop the trappings of monarchy in the gutter..., Germany has taught us some guttersnipe will pick them up'. It seems to be saying that if we dispense with the monarchy and all the archaic rituals, dress and ceremony that go along with it, some elected or unelected politician will happily come along and make up a whole bunch of new ones to exploit the void that would be left in order to exploit the people's need for an absolute leader who embodies national ideals and aspirations. As we know in Hitler's case it turned out horrifically and you may think that it could never happen here. But just look at America and what Trump did in a short space of time, Putin declaring himself leader for life, Italy becoming fascist, Bolsonaro...the list goes on. I'm quite certain that Boris Johnson would have acted as Trump did with demanding personal adulation and unflinching loyalty if he could have gotten away with it, seeking grand parades in his honour and suchlike. But the Queen always stood there, silently in the background, providing a check on the power of every Prime Minister. I can pretty much guarantee that every soldier, sailor and airman/woman that you saw yesterday, if ordered by the Queen to march on Parliament and arrest the government would have done so without hesitation...that's the kind of power that she silently wielded. The same power that she had over most Britons who looked to her as being above politics and simply representing us but all the while shrewdly adapting to the changing times over the course of her long reign. If we lose that we lose a big part of our shared identity and the danger of some unscrupulous politician coming along and exploiting that need to coalesce around something scares me. I think Charles still has the strength to resist and commands enough respect to remain somewhat significant in national politics, but William will be the one they eventually target. I even think the loudest voices for abolishing the monarchy will come from the right since they now solely represent corporations, landowners and other moneyed interests who want unquestioning consumers loyal only to brands rather than a King.

I've seen how bad things get after 20 years in the USA. Everything decided along political lines and an inability to agree on anything. Dumbification, drowning in cheap consumer crap designed to pacify, people being fed food laced with legal poison to ensure that a monetized health service gets more and more money, for-profit education that makes people stupider and maintains the supply of service workers who toil while the true wealth goes to the select few. Britain is heading that way already and the loss of the monarchy will only speed that up. Yes it needs to be streamlined, yes we need to get rid of a lot of the bowing and scraping, but we do need them to maintain the status quo and prevent runaway political power from dragging us irreversibly to the right. Cromwell's Parliament came about to represent the needs of the common man against the excesses of aristocratic privilege, nowadays I genuinely believe that the Royal Family cares more about ordinary people than anyone in power in Westminster. In return we agree to do the silly bowing and deference, but most of us don't actually believe that they are different from us...we just accept that we all have to play along for the institution to work. If we can all adapt it to function in the modern world then we'll be alright, getting rid of it is dangerous.

Anyway...that's my ramblings on this that you can pick apart as you please.

Nothing to add but I just wanted to say this is a strong post.

I'll bookmark @2cents essay (novella?!) and try to get around to it at the weekend

 

[Halftrack]

Ruffled a few feathers?

I don’t give a toss. You've got some weird Kent stating Kim Jong would do over prince Charles in a fight.

You think I'm actually arsed about the monarchy? I'm laughing at you while you're laughing at me.

Yesterday was a funeral and I hope to feck someone turns up at one of your loved ones and pisses in all your drinks.

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[Wibble]

Like it or not the Queen was a living embodiment of the national identity and it's clear from the response to her death that many of us still find that very important.

To me the royals have always been the embodiment off much of what is wrong with Britain. Our political leaders are awful for the very same reason i.e. that we seem to feel the need to be told what to do by posh privileged idiots despite all of the evidence that they are useless, are only interested in enriching themselves and the top end of town, while actively despising and laughing at us for voting for them (or fawning over them in the case of the Royals).

If you have to have such an anti-democratic institution you could do worse than the Queen to lead it, Charles for example, but that doesn't make is a good idea or any more palatable.

And how come so long in the UK? I thought you were going to stay in Italy?

 

[TheNewEra]

So the upper percentile of piss per go is 400ml. Let's assume that you want at least 50ml in every cup. If 50 people attended this funeral then @MIC_FIN would be hoping for at least 6 rogue urinators present to get the job done.

Deserves to be put in the next round of GCSE exams really.

1) Assuming that Redcafe angers @MIC_FIN and he attends your loved ones funeral. There are are 37 guests in attendance, the average bladder capacity of @MIC_FIN is 400ml, assume @MIC_FIN has one attempt before being escorted off the premises, and that all guests are ready to get their drink which is ready at a nearby table. Assume that @MIC_FIN is so bitter and angry that he decides to piss in all guests drinks, how much piss will each drink contain? assume that there's no leakage.

Give your answer to 2 decimal places.

2) After your Grandma tastes @MIC_FIN urine in her lemonade, four of your cousins seize @MIC_FIN near mural to her late husband, before he can destroy it bellowing "LONG LIVE THE KING". The nearest exit is 810m away, assuming your cousins carry @MIC_FIN towards the door at a velocity of 5m^2/s find the time it will take for @MIC_FIN to be escorted off the premises.

Give your answer to 2 decimal places

 

[oates]

Deserves to be put in the next round of GCSE exams really.

1) Assuming that Redcafe angers @MIC_FIN and he attends your loved ones funeral. There are are 37 guests in attendance, the average bladder capacity of @MIC_FIN is 400ml, assume @MIC_FIN has one attempt before being escorted off the premises, and that all guests are ready to get their drink which is ready at a nearby table. Assume that @MIC_FIN is so bitter and angry that he decides to piss in all guests drinks, how much piss will each drink contain? assume that there's no leakage.

Give your answer to 2 decimal places.

2) After your Grandma tastes @MIC_FIN urine in her lemonade, four of your cousins seize @MIC_FIN near mural to her late husband, before he can destroy it bellowing "LONG LIVE THE KING". The nearest exit is 810m away, assuming your cousins carry @MIC_FIN towards the door at a velocity of 5m^2/s find the time it will take for @MIC_FIN to be escorted off the premises.

Give your answer to 2 decimal places

1) 36 guests receive 10.00ml each, the 37th guest receives 40.00ml.
2) 4 mins being taken to the basement, 4hrs 51mins being beaten into a full bag of piss and shit. 5 minutes being poured down the sink.

I remember these being harder at school.

 

[Mockney]

Born and bred in England. If some of you lot can't even respect the monarchy you live with, Not under. That's your problem.

Royal Navy
Royal Air force
Royal Army

Why paint this thread with all your jeasous and/or complete toxic comments?

Can always feck off and live in Russia or some shit?

Royal Ascot
The Royal Opera house
The Royal Bank of Scotland
The Royal Oak pub
The Royal Vauxhall Tavern Gay Caberet club
The Royal Academy of Culinary Arts
Cafe Royal
Joe Royle
Royal by Lourdes
A Royale with Cheese

…Your boys took one hell of a beating!!

 

[The Firestarter]

Deserves to be put in the next round of GCSE exams really.

1) Assuming that Redcafe angers @MIC_FIN and he attends your loved ones funeral. There are are 37 guests in attendance, the average bladder capacity of @MIC_FIN is 400ml, assume @MIC_FIN has one attempt before being escorted off the premises, and that all guests are ready to get their drink which is ready at a nearby table. Assume that @MIC_FIN is so bitter and angry that he decides to piss in all guests drinks, how much piss will each drink contain? assume that there's no leakage.

Give your answer to 2 decimal places.

2) After your Grandma tastes @MIC_FIN urine in her lemonade, four of your cousins seize @MIC_FIN near mural to her late husband, before he can destroy it bellowing "LONG LIVE THE KING". The nearest exit is 810m away, assuming your cousins carry @MIC_FIN towards the door at a velocity of 5m^2/s find the time it will take for @MIC_FIN to be escorted off the premises.

Give your answer to 2 decimal places

5 m^2/s as in meter squared? Because he is carriered horizontally therefore having an area footprint ? Nice detail mate!

 

[Antisocial]

Deserves to be put in the next round of GCSE exams really.

1) Assuming that Redcafe angers @MIC_FIN and he attends your loved ones funeral. There are are 37 guests in attendance, the average bladder capacity of @MIC_FIN is 400ml, assume @MIC_FIN has one attempt before being escorted off the premises, and that all guests are ready to get their drink which is ready at a nearby table. Assume that @MIC_FIN is so bitter and angry that he decides to piss in all guests drinks, how much piss will each drink contain? assume that there's no leakage.

Give your answer to 2 decimal places.

2) After your Grandma tastes @MIC_FIN urine in her lemonade, four of your cousins seize @MIC_FIN near mural to her late husband, before he can destroy it bellowing "LONG LIVE THE KING". The nearest exit is 810m away, assuming your cousins carry @MIC_FIN towards the door at a velocity of 5m^2/s find the time it will take for @MIC_FIN to be escorted off the premises.

Give your answer to 2 decimal places

 

[Wibble]

I remember these being harder at school.

Agreed. Such problems used to involved trains heading from different directions, towards each other at different speeds or something.