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The budget screams of ticking off as much of their bucket list as possible before losing a majority in parliament. I think these feckers have given up on the next election.
It's scary that there's a possibility they might still win with a minority next election.
 

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so if you earn 160K for example

Currently you have ......................................new rules
0% tax = none ...............................................None (your tax allowance decreases by £1 for every £2 you earn over 100K making it an effective 60% tax rate till you have no tax free allowance
20% tax = 7,540..........................................19% tax = 7,163 (377 saving)
40% tax = 39,892........................................40% tax 43,892
15% tax = 4500............................................None
total = 51,932..............................................total = 51,055

so they are getting an £877 tax reduction or less than 5% of the £20k you mention and almost half that saving comes from the reduction in the basic rate not abolition of the top)

you would actually need to earn around £1.15m for the saving to be £20k so for sure not everyone earning over £150K

And of course somebody earning over £150k is still paying about £50K each year in income tax alone which without going all west wing / sam seaborn is kinda what makes the rest of the system work
Not quite
 

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If King Charles III uses his power of royal prerogative to dissolve parliament, then I will pledge my allegiance to the monarch for the rest of my life.

And I bloody hate the royals too.

Mon Charlie, take the throne and use your powers to clean out the scum. Lock up every tory minister in prison too while you're at it and throw away the keys. Or bring back public executions and hang them one by one.
 

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so if you earn 160K for example

Currently you have ......................................new rules
0% tax = none ...............................................None (your tax allowance decreases by £1 for every £2 you earn over 100K making it an effective 60% tax rate till you have no tax free allowance
20% tax = 7,540..........................................19% tax = 7,163 (377 saving)
40% tax = 39,892........................................40% tax 43,892
15% tax = 4500............................................None
total = 51,932..............................................total = 51,055

so they are getting an £877 tax reduction or less than 5% of the £20k you mention and almost half that saving comes from the reduction in the basic rate not abolition of the top)

you would actually need to earn around £1.15m for the saving to be £20k so for sure not everyone earning over £150K

And of course somebody earning over £150k is still paying about £50K each year in income tax alone which without going all west wing / sam seaborn is kinda what makes the rest of the system work
Sun Tzu how much money do you actually earn fella? You love defending the tory's.

Trying to work out if you're the redcafe secret millionaire or if you're just a stubborn as feck plonker? I'm leaning more towards the latter.
 

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Attended a presentation about the Tory attacks on the Human Rights Act yesterday.

It's frightening just how shoddy the consultation was and we got lucky Bodger was sacked when he was and Raab was ousted in the justice position.

A real near miss, but the thought is that the tories will now try to enact the worst parts of the Bill Of Rights through piecemeal legislation alongside other valid reforms
 

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Attended a presentation about the Tory attacks on the Human Rights Act yesterday.

It's frightening just how shoddy the consultation was and we got lucky Bodger was sacked when he was and Raab was ousted in the justice position.

A real near miss, but the thought is that the tories will now try to enact the worst parts of the Bill Of Rights through piecemeal legislation alongside other valid reforms
I think the Good Friday Agreement is doing great work in retaining the HRA. If we didn't have that they would have repealed it in 2015.
 

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Sun Tzu how much money do you actually earn fella? You love defending the tory's.

Trying to work out if you're the redcafe secret millionaire or if you're just a stubborn as feck plonker? I'm leaning more towards the latter.
Yeah man he’s definitely a secret millionaire. Hes so subtle with the 600 humble brags he makes each day, I’m actually surprised that you’ve picked up on it.
 

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Yeah man he’s definitely a secret millionaire. Hes so subtle with the 600 humble brags he makes each day, I’m actually surprised that you’ve picked up on it.
???

I don't see his posts aside from when he comes in here occasionally to defend the tory scum.
 

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On your statement in bold of someone “needing to earn around £1.15m for the saving to be £20k”… a person earning £1.15m will save roughly £62,000 as a result of todays budget.
Yes based on the removal of the 45% tax bracket... I'm sure other people have made more holistic assessments but I was answering the point made that cutting the 45% rate saved everybody over 150k 10to 20k which it does not

As for the budget I think it's generally a mess and I predicted a few days ago it would tank the pound

That said I'm currently pricing a lot of work in euros and dollars so actually it's not the worst timing for my business so silver linings and all that
 

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has it dawned on those dumb ass red wall voters yet i wonder that they just got royally fecked?
 

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Thanks. I had around $120 on my Revolut which got me close to £110…crazy considering how much I bought it for. But I have close to $1,000 cash so I might hold onto it for another week. My dad has a big big dollar cash pile though.

Good shout on the mortgage. Isn’t your rent from the flat covering it though?
Yep the rent was covering the mortgage, but we had to remortgage cos the fixed rate was ending next month, so took the opportunity to overpay. Got rid of nearly all my remaining pounds which were getting eaten by inflation and used some SGD to buy cheaper pounds too earlier this week...should've held off til after the mini-budget but hey ho.

Happy days if you have a USD cash pile.
 

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has it dawned on those dumb ass red wall voters yet i wonder that they just got royally fecked?
Was going to post this. Any gauge on their thoughts right now?
Turkeys voting for chirstmas.
 

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IIFS response to mini-Budget
For immediate release
Paul Johnson, IFS Director, said:
“Today, the Chancellor announced the biggest package of tax cuts in 50 years without even a semblance of an effort to make the public finance numbers add up. Instead, the plan seems to be to borrow large sums at increasingly expensive rates, put government debt on an unsustainable rising path, and hope that we get better growth. This marks such a dramatic change in the direction of economic policy-making that some of the longer-serving cabinet ministers might be worried about getting whiplash.
Mr Kwarteng has shown himself willing to gamble with fiscal sustainability in order to push through these huge tax cuts. He is willing to shrug off the risks of inflation, and to invite significantly higher interest rates. And he has avoided scrutiny by presenting a Budget in all but name without accompanying forecasts from the Office for Budget Responsibility.
Injecting demand into this high-inflation economy leaves the government pulling in the exact opposite direction to the Bank of England, who are likely to raise rates in response. Early signs are that the markets – who will have to lend the money required to plug the gap in the government’s fiscal plans – aren’t impressed. This is worrying. Government borrowing is set on an upward path. It will reach its third-highest peak since the war, and remain at well over £100 billion, even once the energy support package is withdrawn.
And we heard nothing on public spending. It seems almost inconceivable that plans made last year, when inflation was expected to peak around 3%, will not need topping up at some point, unless the government is willing to allow a (further) deterioration in the range and quality of public services. Presumably this government would borrow for that also.
Mr Kwarteng is not just gambling on a new strategy, he is betting the house.”


READ OUR FULL ANALYSIS HERE.
ENDS
Notes to Editor
Read the full analysis on the IFS website here: https://ifs.org.uk/articles/mini-budget-response
 

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If this weren't my country, it would make for a fascinating social and economic experiment. Basically in two years time, we either have amazing growth, or the entire ultra low tax Tory school of thought is destroyed for a generation.
 

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Yes the tax differential between those on £1m and those just falling into the old 45% bracket is quite huge

the corporation tax cut (well non rise) was for more of interest to me than the 45% as we had actually scaled back some investment based on the proposed move to 25% - given the collapse in the £ and the 19% rate will probably revisit the sums over the next couple of weeks and see if it makes sense to reconsider
 

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The housing market could probably stand that, but could it stand much more? Considering Kwarteng has just said how important house price growth is to the economy he doesn't seem to understand how it works.
Yep going to be a doublewhammy of higher energy bills in October and then higher mortgage and credit card payments in November if interest rates are hiked at the next Bank of England meeting.

The mortgage arrears data looks way healthier than I'd have expected though. I know we've had low rates for yonks and people saving money wfh, but given how hot the property market has been I'd have expected more people to be stretched. The FCA's data for Q2 looks as good as it's been...for now.
The value of outstanding balances with arrears decreased by 0.7% over the quarter and 7.2% over the year, to £13.2 billion in 2022 Q2, and now accounts for 0.80% of outstanding mortgage balances, the lowest since recording began in 2007
https://www.fca.org.uk/data/commentary-mortgage-lending-statistics-q2-2022
 

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IIFS response to mini-Budget
For immediate release
Paul Johnson, IFS Director, said:
“Today, the Chancellor announced the biggest package of tax cuts in 50 years without even a semblance of an effort to make the public finance numbers add up. Instead, the plan seems to be to borrow large sums at increasingly expensive rates, put government debt on an unsustainable rising path, and hope that we get better growth. This marks such a dramatic change in the direction of economic policy-making that some of the longer-serving cabinet ministers might be worried about getting whiplash.
Mr Kwarteng has shown himself willing to gamble with fiscal sustainability in order to push through these huge tax cuts. He is willing to shrug off the risks of inflation, and to invite significantly higher interest rates. And he has avoided scrutiny by presenting a Budget in all but name without accompanying forecasts from the Office for Budget Responsibility.
Injecting demand into this high-inflation economy leaves the government pulling in the exact opposite direction to the Bank of England, who are likely to raise rates in response. Early signs are that the markets – who will have to lend the money required to plug the gap in the government’s fiscal plans – aren’t impressed. This is worrying. Government borrowing is set on an upward path. It will reach its third-highest peak since the war, and remain at well over £100 billion, even once the energy support package is withdrawn.
And we heard nothing on public spending. It seems almost inconceivable that plans made last year, when inflation was expected to peak around 3%, will not need topping up at some point, unless the government is willing to allow a (further) deterioration in the range and quality of public services. Presumably this government would borrow for that also.
Mr Kwarteng is not just gambling on a new strategy, he is betting the house.”


READ OUR FULL ANALYSIS HERE.
ENDS
Notes to Editor
Read the full analysis on the IFS website here: https://ifs.org.uk/articles/mini-budget-response
I mean I think they are willing to let that happen aren't they ... infact its hard to see any other way as lending more money is going to be come difficult - fully expect moodys, fitch and S&P to be downrating the UK before the next budget
 

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They know they're losing the next election.

The aims now are to feck things up as much as possible to make it almost impossible for Labour in 2 years, and to make as many as their rich benefactors happy as possible so the likes of Truss and Kwarteng can walk into 7 figure consultancy jobs when they lose the next GE.