I am not being defensive, I hated seeing then winning all of what they have done, but one has to say fair play, where it is deserved/warranted, and that is all that I have done.
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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Because this period has coincided with Pep’s time at City if we’re talking about the league. There’s another club with a manager who is as good (if not slightly better) than Klopp, with more resources and very good players. There’s something to be said for his shortcomings in finals. I think the emotional side of the football he encourages can come undone in those situations.
Klopp’s time at Liverpool just goes to show how much football can be a fine margins sport. If you change five results since 2017 then Liverpool’s time under Klopp during that period looks like this:
- 17/18 = CL winners (Liverpool win the CL final instead of losing it)
- 18/19 = Undefeated PL winners on 100 points and CL winners (Liverpool win at the Etihad instead of losing there).
- 19/20 = Liverpool win the league with 101 points (Liverpool beat Burnley at Anfield instead of drawing at the back end of the season).
- 21/22 = Liverpool win the quadruple (beating Spurs at Anfield and beating Madrid in Paris).
You can do the same thing with other clubs and do it the other way around as well.
Meh. You won two trophies by penalties during the quad attempt! Fine margins indeed. It’s swings and roundabouts.
Exactly. Could’ve won nothing just as easily.
That’s an interesting thought experiment - here’s the 5 that I would change for United.
07/08 - FA Cup semi final vs Portsmouth - win this and we win the final vs Cardiff, giving Fergie his second treble.
08/09 - CL final vs Barca - first team to win back to back CLs, and doing the CL/PL double again, and giving Fergie his third CL success.
09/10 - home or away game vs Chelsea - win one of them and the league is ours.
10/11 - CL final vs Barca - another CL for Fergie and another PL/CL double.
11/12 - lose 2-1 at home to City instead of 6-1 and we win the league on GD instead of losing it on GD.
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Two Liverpool fans you absolutely can't stand. As opposed to two Liverpool fans that are ok with you and Utd fans in general.You've tagged in the 2 worst Liverpool fans on the Forum
I'll let you work out the definition of worst.
Even on your own "only winning stuff should be considered" logic, Klopp still wins over both of those. They didn't win the league. End of debate.
That's simply not true on any metric.
Be it points or goals scored.
Be it on winning the European cup. Be it getting to the final of 2 other European cups.
Be it on narrowly coming 2nd on goal difference to a great City team.
Leicester were a one off season anomaly. A fairly one trick pony in a season where a lot of the top teams had big issues.
Haha
Deluded Liverpool fans. Thought Klopper76 was better than that!
He's obviously on the major windup.
Even if you ludicrously dismiss their very close 2nd places in the league, and the 2 European cup final defeats, he still won the league, which the others didn't do.
It's the same sort of utterly daft one eyed thinking that saw our fans dismissing their last season as some sort of failure for winning more trophies in 1 season than we have in yonks.
No mention of THAT game away to West Ham, where we drew 1-1, & thus giving Blackburn the title?
Change that to a win please!
Nope no windup here on my behalf at all, you have myself very much mistaken.
This has the "if my aunt had b*lls, she would be my uncle" ring to it.
Of course it is. It’s just an example of how a moment or game can change a lot in football. It works the other way as well.
For what it's worth, I also don't deny that Klopp would have won 1-2 more league titles if he had this squad at a different time (say 7-8 years back). Liverpool's peak has been short though. You lot spent the Coutinho money well but really should have won more trophies with the squad you had. Atleast a couple more domestic cups and another UCL. Real madrid were there for the taking in the final last season. So even if one moment changes a lot in football, Liverpool and Klopp will feel they underachieved a bit if you look back at this time 10 years from now.
Anything Liverpool related is a shitshow, that goes without saying.
Why can't I stand you? I don't even know you.Two Liverpool fans you absolutely can't stand. As opposed to two Liverpool fans that are ok with you and Utd fans in general.
I'll let you work out the definition of worst.
To say that your standard of posting, when it comes to Liverpool, leaves a lot to be desired to say the least, is perfectly reasonable. Especially the other chap
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Seems bizarre to be roping Newcastle into this at the moment, when they've not even remotely started to Chelsea/Man City their money around.
Like some other fans won't accept the Glazers are a bust for us, because they just look at our spending, many fans do the same with Liverpool.
Not understanding that them competing with City's spending is an unreal body of work.
Hopefully it looks like it's fallen off a cliff. But then it looked to have even more dramatically a couple of years ago, and they refound form.
A lot of that was down to the mad set of combos they had to play in centre defence and no fans though. This time it looks more problems across the team.
My Pool supporting friend is in complete denial about Virgil having lost a step and I absolutely love it
There is no convincing because, both him and Trent were part of "the 2nd best team in the league last season and a few games away from the quadruple"
Long may the denial continue
There is no convincing because, both him and Trent were part of "the 2nd best team in the league last season and a few games away from the quadruple"
Long may the denial continue
I really hope for a big feature of their decline being refusing to admit that their ageing players are no longer what they once were. Can definitely see this happening with Salah, Van Dijk and Fabinho.
The change from "this guy's genius is he just stands there watching and then reacts to whatever the striker does", to "he just stands there" has been amazing.
It's almost like his style of defending has been found out overnight.
Strikers cottoned on to it rapidly this season.
Agree with him completely on this point. Can't believe some people here think Klopp and Pep had a similar challenge. City operate on a completely different planet, they have talent and depth all over the squad while Liverpool still need to start the likes of Milner. City don't even need to adhere to FFP, they sponsor themselves and they have a wide range of companies that could sponsor their players in addition to wages paid.
States owned clubs never have to deal with the consequences of their failure, because the money is endless, like a cheat code in a video game.
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Goofy has lost the plot.
Bullshit. They were a good team, nothing magical, not even as good as any of the Arsenal or Chelsea title winners.
We all hate Liverpool but come on, don’t you see the irony in your post? Which of the Arsenal or chelsea teams got 97 and 99 points or do you believe the league was more difficult then ? I can understand the argument for 2005 jose team but any, any of the Chelsea and Arsenal teams ?
It’s not bizzare at all, he’s talking about unlimited budget and ceilings and he’s right. Newcastle have unlimited budget and they would spend unlimited amounts of money soon. He can see it coming, we all can it’s just a matter of time.
I don’t t care about the points they had, that doesn’t make them one of the PL’s all time great teams.
Exactly, point totals are irrelevant in this sort of discussion, no idea why people keep on bringing it or them up.
Liverpool have never remotely been close to being one of the best Premier League sides, our Treble winners, heck the double winners in 94 would beat this team fairly comfortably.
Agreed. And there is nothing more cringe than hearing “almost won the quadruple”.
I almost won the lottery jackpot recently, I just needed the correct numbers to fall my way....
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Agreed with this. Anyone who can't see the basic logic in this is just blinded by Liverpool hate.
You can be the best you can be given the ressources you have but then if someone financially dopes, there's not much you can do. The issue is football has allowed this to happen
It's quite literally when you hack FIFA on PC and start with 999,999,999 when starting career mode with Dagenham and Redbridge.
Not sure why that's being defended just so Klopp can be made to sound like a 'sore loser' 'goofy' 'psthetic they didn't win quadruple'
Is there no objectivity left?
If you're 2 games from winning a quad then you were 100% good enough to win either the league or CL individually, regardless of financial doping.
That Klopp was unable to do so is solely down to him and Liverpool. Anything else is just deflecting and copium, and it's embarrassing to see Utd fans fall for his excuses.
That Klopp was unable to do so is solely down to him and Liverpool. Anything else is just deflecting and copium, and it's embarrassing to see Utd fans fall for his excuses.
He (Klopp) wasn't responding to quadruple questions. He was saying they are out of the title race this year and they can't compete year on year because of financial doping. It's not possible.
He is highlighting a genuine issue for football. If we can't respect him for that, what's the point?
How does it matter if he is the Liverpool manager when he is making the point.
In 2-3 seasons, Newcastle will be nailed on for top 4 and will be winning leagues in 4-5 seasons.
None of this will be because of great club building (which the media will call it), but purely financial doping. PSG, Man City and Newcastle will be the big clubs for the next generation of fans.
Are Arsenal and Spurs also out of the title race, so far, this season? Liverpool being in 11th place after 8 games has nothing to do with financial doping by City, Liverpool are just a bit shit this season. Was he competing with City the last few seasons?
Whilst I agree with the sentiments of what he's saying, it does come over a bit cry baby, the way he's saying it. He needs to concentrate on his own team, at this stage, not cry about others.
Nah, you're the worstTwo Liverpool fans you absolutely can't stand. As opposed to two Liverpool fans that are ok with you and Utd fans in general.
I'll let you work out the definition of worst.
Is he wrong though? No team on the planet is going to compete with City after Haaland clicked instantly for them
Not gonna want a Liverpool win no matter what you say